Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[Overcast]

Unlikely. Disney already invested billions in a new park based around TFA, Rogue One and TLJ (among other things) and other than that, if they retcon this it'd basically be them admitting to their audience and their investors/partners that they were wrong and foolish. Disney execs would never allow themselves to admit that they made themselves look like fools to their partners or rivals unless they absolutely had to. They'd rather go on with the "I was only pretending to be r-etarded/All part of the master plan" narrative and claim that their short comings with these films was fueled by virtuous politics and artistic/creative integrity rather than incompetence and greed.

Ah, the doubling down method.

Because that's worked so well for everyone involved in the past.

 

[mrdk_04]

https://comicbook.com/starwars/2018/08/29/star-wars-episode-ix-oscar-isaac-resistance-details/

“(They) are guerrilla fighters, adhering closer to something like the Revolutionary War fighters or even the guerrillas in Cuba with Che and Fidel and all these guys living in the mountains, coming down to do some attacks, and going back and trying to hide from the ’empire’ of the United States. It’s that kind of ragged at this point,” Isaac shared with USA Today.

Information on the state of the Resistance.

Response to Mcintosh from Mauler is inbound.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hd0VKZDyyfc

 

[CWCissey]

https://comicbook.com/starwars/2018/08/29/star-wars-episode-ix-oscar-isaac-resistance-details/

Information on the state of the Resistance.

Response to Mcintosh from Mauler is inbound.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hd0VKZDyyfc

So space Commies. Brill(!)

Also, it's probably not a good idea to compare your heroes to the likes of Fidel Castro or Che Guevara stupid!

 

[Raging Capybara]

Lucas imagined the heroes as vietcongs, so it's not necessarily a problem.

But Disney is not known to be light handed with the symbolisms. Not that I care, of course. Fuck this movie.

 

[Creep3r]

From a story perspective the the situation has effectively been re-set to just after a new hope except slightly worse.

More like FAR worse. Before Disney, the OT followed up with the fractured Empire wanting to maintain their control and refusing to take defeat which led into the Thrawn Trilogy and the Dark Empire, and this is a logical followup since something as big and powerful as the Empire is not gonna want to give up control that easily just because their figurehead leader died. What follows up the OT now under Disney is the Chuck Wendig Trilogy which is one of the worst insults to scifi literature conceived made only worse by the fact that its treated like a major piece of media by Disney. Instead of logical disputes and a competent replacement leader, we get a nutty as fuck empire getting bitch slapped while the novels focus more on SJW protagonists (while the OT main characters take a back seat) and who Luke applauds and then gives a lecture about diversity after meeting some nice lesbians, then we have people defecting from the empire in the book because the Empire is "too homophobic" apparently, and then we get Thrawn's replacement, a super strong and muscular black woman of unparalleled IQ who don't "need no man" (she actually fucks up an imperial sexist strawman just because) and is a proud feminist who has no qualms about acting smug as fuck, and is even an actual true blue Mary Sue who makes Rey actually look likeable and would make Thrawn look humble. Only made even worse by more stories and comics in between which make Luke, Leia and Han look like even bigger incompetent losers and the way the movies start up only further adds to their shame.

Even before and after the Vong saga they could still find success, adventure and happy moments, but under Disney there's none of that. Its like a boring, depressing and mindless version of the Vong saga that never ends but is infinitely worse for the heroes.

If the new movies at least had good novels, games and comics to uplift you after the depressing movies to show the achievements of the heroes wasn't for not, that would be something, but there's none of that, and even though the prequels were hated by many at the time, it had plenty of good material surrounding it like great video games, comics books and the fucking Genndy Cartoon to keep people interested, Disney however fails to deliver on all fronts and I am still baffled beyond reason as to why they ever thought giving the video game rights to EA was a good idea.

Good to see word of Rian's douchebaggery against Zeroh is finally spreading around more. The sooner more realize what an asshole this guy is, the better.

Edit: Here's Chuck Wendig in case none of you have ever seen him before.

He and Rian would make such a fine couple.

 

[mrdk_04]

Instead of logical disputes and a competent replacement leader, we get a nutty as fuck empire getting bitch slapped while the novels focus more on SJW protagonists while the main characters take a back seat and who Luke applauds and then gives a lecture about diversity after meeting some nice lesbians, then we have people defecting from the empire in the second book because the Empire is "too homophobic" apparently, and then we get Thrawn's replacement, a super strong and muscular black woman of unparalleled IQ who don't "need no man" (she actually fucks up an imperial sexist strawman just because) and is a proud feminist who has no qualms about acting smug as fuck, and is even an actual true blue Mary Sue who makes Rey actually look likeable and would make Thrawn look humble.

Against my better judgement, I ask you to elaborate on these new protagonists or provide a link.

 

[Creep3r]

Against my better judgement, I ask you to elaborate on these new protagonists or provide a link.

I kinda hate you for making me revisit this... Behold the Disney heroes and villains who truly brought stability to the galaxy after the OT!

Hillary Clinton Norra Wexley is the new hero in the books superseding the old heroes. Rae Sloane is the new villain replacing Thrawn which is why he was "banished" in Rebels. Norra was also retconned into being one of the pilots seen in the Death Star II fight from Return of the Jedi and the one who helped Lando blow up the Death Star II, so yeah, don't be surprised if Disney ever tries to release their own "Special Edition" with Kennedy approved edits.

Our new heroes and villainess:
https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Norra_Wexley (our new heroine, aided by her proud multi-ethnic half-zabrak super genius son and her gay ex-imperial bff)
https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Rae_Sloane (stronk wymin human Thrawn who wants to be the new emperor)
https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sinjir_Rath_Velus (the imperial I mentioned who defected because he was gay)
https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Conder_Kyl (the imperial's gay lover who is a super genius hacker/slicer)
https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Esmelle (Norra's sister)
https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Shirene (Norra's sister's wife and her wife's son is a character in TFA)
Edit:
https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Eleodie_Maracavanya (a legendary and famous genderfluid troon pirate who follows zher own rules and serves as a replacement for Han and Lando. Is referred to as both she and he but prefers to be referred to as "zhe". Zhe is not alien by the way, Chuck has made it clear that zhe's 100% human. Zhe appeared in the second book for Chuck to use as another shield excuse for why his shitty books aren't bad and why hating them makes you a bigot)
Edit End

And here's a video by a reviewer who noted that Chuck Wendig used his fag characters as a shield to avoid criticism.

Part of me suspects it was Kennedy who demanded all the old heroes and villains be replaced by diversity/feminism archetypes, but even if that's not the case, it was quite obvious that Chuck was more than happy to go along with it considering his twitter behavior and cranked up the bullshit up to eleven. Its as if he and Rian were separated at birth.

And I'm sure even those of you who don't read SW books have at least heard of Chuck from Ethan Van Schiver and World Class Bullshitters. He usually comes to the defense of Rian Johnson but that usually doesn't last long as he ends up blocking people as soon as they talk back at him.

 

[SuperSheep]

then we have people defecting from the empire in the second book because the Empire is "too homophobic" apparently, and then we get Thrawn's replacement, a super strong and muscular black woman of unparalleled IQ who don't "need no man" (she actually fucks up an imperial sexist strawman just because) and is a proud feminist who has no qualms about acting smug as fuck, and is even an actual true blue Mary Sue who makes Rey actually look likeable and would make Thrawn look humble. Only made even worse by more stories and comics in between which make Luke, Leia and Han look like even bigger incompetent losers and the way the movies start up only further adds to their shame.

Well, the Empire being bigoted, not just towards nonhumans, but also within humanity itself, was something that the old EU did a lot too. Tarkin's mistress, Admiral Daala, was supposedly a genius military mind held back by sexism (though the initial stories that featured her kind of showed that she sucked, losing large chunks of her navy in a few engagements). There were a couple of retcons about that. The first emphasized that she was a great general, but Tarkin's nepotism made her an admiral, which she was wholly unsuited for. The second was that she suffered an unspecified amount of brain damage during a Rebel attack on the Death Star, prior to Luke's run.

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

Edit: Here's Chuck Wendig in case none of you have ever seen him before.

How can this guy have such a punchable face, Jesus fucking Christ.

 

[Creep3r]

Well, the Empire being bigoted, not just towards nonhumans, but also within humanity itself, was something that the old EU did a lot too. Tarkin's mistress, Admiral Daala, was supposedly a genius military mind held back by sexism, but the initial stories that featured her kind of showed that she sucked, losing large chunks of her navy in a few engagements. There were a couple of retcons about that. The first emphasized that she was a great general, but Tarkin's nepotism made her an admiral, which she was wholly unsuited for. The second was that she suffered an unspecified amount of brain damage during a Rebel attack on the Death Star, prior to Luke's run.

And they thought little of Thrawn because he was a Chiss. That bigotry was always a theme made all the more notable in the Humanocentrism movement that grew on Coruscant, but there was also the point that even despite these issues and bigotry, an imperial could succeed regardless of status as long as they proved themselves. Later novels even introduced the Ryloth Diversity Alliance as a counter example. The new books just goes on about how sexist, homophobic, bigoted and incompetent the empire is from both sides while hammering it in about what a brave and wonderful character Sinjir and Conder happen to be and that Rae will truly change things. The bigotry aspect in the new novels was just Chuck trying to be culturally relevant to get some extra SJW points while fellating himself (and Kennedy to show what a brave feminist she is) as he loves to point out on his twitter, while older examples in SW fiction (like Stackpole's "Non-huMAN" slang) were used by authors to explain why you only ever saw male humans in the empire the majority of the time in the films and other media, not to mention alien bigotry and hate for non-imperials could be made into some actually interesting story elements under good authors, unlike Chuck who is just fucking terrible.

How can this guy have such a punchable face, Jesus fucking Christ.

That's part of his schtick. He wants to provoke you so he can pull the victimhood trap card once you fight back.

 

[Flexo]

I kinda hate you for making me revisit this... Behold the Disney heroes and villains who truly brought stability to the galaxy after the OT!
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Hillary Clinton Norra Wexley is the new hero in the books superseding the old heroes. Rae Sloane is the new villain replacing Thrawn which is why he was "banished" in Rebels. Norra was also retconned into being one of the pilots seen in the Death Star II fight from Return of the Jedi and the one who helped Lando blow up the Death Star II, so yeah, don't be surprised if Disney ever tries to release their own "Special Edition" with Kennedy approved edits.

Our new heroes and villainess:
https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Norra_Wexley (our new heroine, aided by her proud multi-ethnic half-zabrak super genius son and her gay ex-imperial bff)
https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Rae_Sloane (stronk wymin human Thrawn who wants to be the new emperor)
https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sinjir_Rath_Velus (the imperial I mentioned who defected because he was gay)
https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Conder_Kyl (the imperial's gay lover who is a super genius hacker/slicer)
https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Esmelle (Norra's sister)
https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Shirene (Norra's sister's wife and her wife's son is a character in TFA)

And here's a video by a reviewer who noted that Chuck Wendig used his fag characters as a shield to avoid criticism. Even Karen Traviss never pulled that kind of stunt as far as I know.

Part of me suspects it was Kennedy who demanded all the old heroes and villains be replaced by diversity/feminism archetypes, but even if that's not the case, it was quite obvious that Chuck was more than happy to go along with it considering his twitter behavior and cranked up the bullshit up to eleven. Its as if he and Rian were separated at birth.

And I'm sure even those of you who don't read SW books have at least heard of Chuck from Ethan Van Schiver and World Class Bullshitters. He usually comes to the defense of Rian Johnson but that usually doesn't last long as he ends up blocking people as soon as they talk back at him.

So they took out Winter just to replace her?

And how can these dumb fucks not realize they're being just as bad as the Empire only with the skin shade swapped around? I notice with all these new folks there's very little... ALIENS!

Compared to the old EU, the modern Disney Wars is more human-centric than the original Empire.

 

[Mola Ram]

How can this guy have such a punchable face, Jesus fucking Christ.

Someone needs to go back in time to the late '90s and nuke White Wolf from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

 

[Ruin]

The Empire has always had vaguely fascist imagery because it's an easy way to portray them as evil but Nu Wars has gone the extra mile in making them out to be white supremacists anti/alien as well because le current year/racism is bad. The EU made it pretty clear that the empire was pro results above all else and often recruited/partnered with non human races.

 

[Creep3r]

Compared to the old EU, the modern Disney Wars is more human-centric than the original Empire.

The new media definitely feels more Humanocentrist than plots set in an old Empire-focused story. Some say they do this to focus more on human/irl diversity, but something's off considering how rare even old school aliens like Ithorians are now, its like they've forgotten about them or just want people to forget they existed. Only place you'd see a lot of aliens regularly and ones that actually talk while having major roles is in Rebels and a few bits in RO and Solo.

It wasn't until recently they started bringing back aliens (mostly just in Marvel and a few junior books) probably due to maybe bakclash or something. But the new alien characters are just so uninspired and dull that they come off as forced and one-dimensional just to remind you that they still exist. See: https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Inquisitorius

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

And they thought little of Thrawn because he was a Chiss. That bigotry was always a theme made all the more notable in the Humanocentrism movement that grew on Coruscant, but there was also the point that even despite these issues and bigotry, an imperial could succeed regardless of status as long as they proved themselves. Later novels even introduced the Ryloth Diversity Alliance as a counter example. The new books just goes on about how sexist, homophobic, bigoted and incompetent the empire is from both sides while hammering it in about what a brave and wonderful character Sinjir and Conder happen to be and that Rae will truly change things. The bigotry aspect in the new novels was just Chuck trying to be culturally relevant to get some extra SJW points while fellating himself (and Kennedy to show what a brave feminist she is) as he loves to point out on his twitter, while older examples in SW fiction (like Stackpole's "Non-huMAN" slang) were used by authors to explain why you only ever saw male humans in the empire the majority of the time in the films and other media, not to mention alien bigotry and hate for non-imperials could be made into some actually interesting story elements under good authors, unlike Chuck who is just fucking terrible.

The sheer amount of opportunities from showing the inner workings of the Empire/First Order and how their ideology works and affects everyone is so utterly amazing and to think it is wasted by these clowns with their hamfisted sjw agenda...
The power structure, hierarchy and interactions of all these groups combined in the Empire is so fucking interesting, leave it to Disney to turn it into a drab slog with unbearable preachiness. FFS, spacenazis are bad, we get it, but do you have to treat them like a villain from the Smurfes?
The best thing is that by making their stupid agenda this blatantly one-sided and obvious, it pretty much loses all its importance and impact and makes the whole thing as shallow as a puddle. And it's insanely uncreative, too.
Even Zootopia had some nuance, wit and subtlety to their agenda and it turned out pretty good, even with a slightly hamfisted message attached to it. Can't say the same about what I am hearing about nu-Wars.

The EU made it pretty clear that the empire was pro results above all else and often recruited/partnered with non human races.

The funny thing is that this even fits to the Wehrmacht/Nazi-Germany parallels, since the Wehrmacht had quite a number of non-german soldiers and as long as they produced the desired results, they weren't treated any worse than regular soldiers.
FFS, the higher echelons of the NSDAP made sure that certain foreign people (such as blacks) who fought on the german side in WW1 were protected from attacks by civilians or police.

The EU was evidently handling such issues a lot smarter, more creative and fitting (at least in the best case scenario).

 

[Creep3r]

The sheer amount of opportunities from showing the inner workings of the Empire/First Order and how their ideology works and affects everyone is so utterly amazing and to think it is wasted by these clowns with their hamfisted sjw agenda...
The power structure, hierarchy and interactions of all these groups combined in the Empire is so fucking interesting, leave it to Disney to turn it into a drab slog with unbearable preachiness. FFS, spacenazis are bad, we get it, but do you have to treat them like a villain from the Smurfes?
The best thing is that by making their stupid agenda this blatantly one-sided and obvious, it pretty much loses all its importance and impact and makes the whole thing as shallow as a puddle. And it's insanely uncreative, too.
Even Zootopia had some nuance, wit and subtlety to their agenda and it turned out pretty good, even with a slightly hamfisted message attached to it. Can't say the same about what I am hearing about nu-Wars.

Zootopia was definitely preachy and agenda-driven to a degree, the difference is it actually had good writing, good characters and a well-built and believable setting which made the movie enjoyable, and Disney just doesn't seem to be capable of replicating these elements with Star Wars.

 

[Flexo]

It wasn't until recently they started bringing back aliens (mostly just in Marvel and a few junior books) probably due to maybe bakclash or something. But the new alien characters are just so uninspired and dull that they come off as forced and one-dimensional just to remind you that they still exist. See: https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Inquisitorius

Gee that looks like... a lot of nonhumans for a very human-centric empire.

It's amazing that for all their mocking of him, these folks have reduced themselves to Jack Chick levels of writing.

 

[Mola Ram]

Zootopia was definitely preachy and agenda-driven to a degree, the difference is it actually had good writing, good characters and a well-built and believable setting which made the movie enjoyable, and Disney just doesn't seem to be capable of replicating these elements with Star Wars.

I will say this in Disney Star Wars' defense over Zootopia: it has not been a breeding ground for horrifying furry porn.

 

[Your Weird Fetish]

https://comicbook.com/starwars/2018/08/29/star-wars-episode-ix-oscar-isaac-resistance-details/

Information on the state of the Resistance.

Response to Mcintosh from Mauler is inbound.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hd0VKZDyyfc

Can't wait to see Poe instructing his snipers to always aim for the first person behind an officer, so that everyone in his squad is afraid to follow imperials ordering an advance.

 

[Creep3r]

I will say this in Disney Star Wars' defense over Zootopia: it has not been a breeding ground for horrifying furry porn.

Fair enough...

Even when you think they've done something right, you remember something worse came along because of that thing.