Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

I thought Sheev came out as his name in the prequels. Not Disney.

Dooku on the other hand has no first name.
His full name was never said in the prequels. Sheev was one of the names Lucas came up with for the cancelled Underworld tv series he was working on before Disney but then cancelled because of Disney. Luceno wanted to use a name and Disney approved it. People only knew about this because Luceno explained it after his book's release.
Is there any website where one can look up book sales? I'd love to know whether Wendig's crap is selling or not - I seriously hope his garbage is as much of a shelf-warmer as Rose toys.
All I could find where ratings for the books. If someone else knows where to find book sales graphs I'd appreciate it. Anyway, the amazon page has the first book rated as 3 stars with over 2000 reviews. The second book has 4 stars but the number of reviews dropped drastically by 1500, so only people who liked the first book came back. Third book has 3 1/2 stars and only about 377 people rated it.
 
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...sort of like how The Last Jedi dropped off so dramatically from The Force Awakens?

It's almost like Disney is pursuing failure as a business model.
I think the books mirror the Disney films pretty well at least in terms of success and reception. The first book was said to be a hit and a big seller by many (and a boom for books some even said), with new fans, some old fans and casual SW fans loving it but some old fans, people who actually read books and anyone who wasn't tricked by nostalgia references hating it (the best reviews try to compare Chuck to RR Martin in terms of writing despite that Chuck just wastes too much time needlessly describing the design of tables), and anyone who disliked it was deemed a bigot, the main difference is that the first book caused an even bigger rift in the fandom comparable to TLJ's that was kept mostly hushed because anyone who dared to speak ill of the movie would end up being called sexist, racist, etc. Second book was beyond shit with many refusing to read it which resulted in most reception being very positive at first do to only Chuck fanboys taking the time to bother reading the whole thing but it also led to less people buying into Disney's Expanded Fartverse and more open criticism of the brand coming out, also "subverted expectations" got thrown around a bit, and in the end fan reviews are more negative than professional ones. The last book could be considered what we might expect with IX. It started off with praise which led to bickering among fans (but all talk of it soon faded) and it started off with better ratings than the second book with 5 stars, but sometime after its release its ratings dropped to half and its sells never reached their expectations from what I've heard, and overall it was very forgettable and amounted to nothing.
 
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Dudes I might be really late for this take but I have to be sincere on this one. I personally find insulting that TLJ its sold under the pretense of being a subversive film when it fails at even delivering that. The clash between Rey and Kylo ends in her denying that the past should die, just appropriating what she likes of the past and moving on. I think there is where the true nature of this story lies; Johnson didn't have the balls to actually go ahead with his "vision" so he decide it to make crystal clear what these every-year-fanservice movies actually mean: We only want to remind you of what you like, exploit it and repack it on a different yet familiar package.
For me at least Rian Johnson is not only a terrible director for this movie, but also a pussy who was to coward to actually went on with a possibly good story. The final breakout of Grey Jedis is probably never going to happen cuz that's morally ambiguous and we can't allow people to be surprised with something that actually is good.

Also, I came to share the latest attempt of Patrick (((H))) Willems at pissing of the Internet. After his video on plot holes (where he justifies horribly the actions of Holdo) he released this gem:
 
Also, I came to share the latest attempt of Patrick (((H))) Willems at pissing of the Internet. After his video on plot holes (where he justifies horribly the actions of Holdo) he released this gem:

Aside from that one remark about how fans might not like Luke's flashback scene because of the different approach compared to previous movies (and even then), this video doesn't do anything to piss people off.
In fact, it's pretty interesting.
Am I missing something?
 
So this one guy has been doing a weekly takedown of the last jedi and today i laughed when he pointed out something I've seen no one else catch.

I estimate at least ninety-one firkins of coinage are spilled over the floor, equal to eleventy-four hundred Polish Zloties, or a dozen-score and a half troy-weight strips of gold-pressed latinum.​

This raises three questions: first, if the robot maker decided to install a man-killing coin-shooter into his dumb-bots, why not install a snub-nosed blastergun? Second, if one undersized dumb-bot armed with a coin-shooter can outmatch two braces of gun-toting veteran traffic cops in armor, why not replace all the cops on the planet with dumb-bots? Third, instead of shooting it at cops, why not use the money to buy fuel for the Resistance flotilla that was running out of gas, and shoot something ELSE at the cops, like buttons, or salad forks, or even ever-lovin’ bullets, fer forcesake?​

For that matter, why not simply pay the freakin’ parking ticket with the gold coins, and have the traffic cops thank them with a smile? The cops are not the bad guys in this film.​

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RLM and that other guy were right. This isn't star wars - It's spaceballs.
 
Are any of the Disney era SW novels any good? I read Wendig's first book (and wish I hadn't), and am currently flipping between the Ahsokha Tano novel and the Phasma novel. Neither of those are terrible, but I'm also not really in a place where I'd recommend either. Bizarrely, Phasma is a character in titular novel by reference only, at least so far.
Man, why are Disney so determined to shit on Phasma? Like, if they’re so determined to be #woke, why not actually do something with the hyped-up, anticipated character that people were curious about? I hoped she’d be the Boba Fett character of the new trilogy, this enigmatic badass who people are scared of, who gets shit done while everyone else is farting around with the Force.

I thought Sheev came out as his name in the prequels. Not Disney.

Dooku on the other hand has no first name.
I liked the fan theory that Palpatine’s first name was Frank, based on the line, “I must be frank, your majesty.”
 
Man, why are Disney so determined to shit on Phasma? Like, if they’re so determined to be #woke, why not actually do something with the hyped-up, anticipated character that people were curious about? I hoped she’d be the Boba Fett character of the new trilogy, this enigmatic badass who people are scared of, who gets shit done while everyone else is farting around with the Force.

Kennedy and her goons don't want to work towards anything, they do not want to earn anything. They just want to have something without working for it.
They want to have a character that's badass, so they make a character, tell everyone said character is badass and if you disagree, why, you're just a nazi in disguise. And cause they think being lighthearted is always a good thing, Phasma is treated like a joke in TFA and since they are afraid to make their precious OC-do-not-steal characters suffer, she poses no threat in TLJ.

The thing is, when it comes down to individual shots of Phasma, they actually do a good job of portraying her. The scene where she walks towards finn and rose after the hangar blew up with the smoke and light giving her that fuckhuge shadow, that's a nice scene, visually. The scene where Finn hits her helmet with that cattle-prod thingy looks good, too. The blow really seems to carry a shitton of weight.
Even the scene where she falls down into the flames looks neat.
The problem is that every single other moment with her is so fucking stupid that these scenes fail to draw you in cause you don't give a shit about Phasma. She's a loser. She's uninteresting. And she's just a minor inconvenience whenever she pops up, to be easily disposed off by a mugging asshole.
The feeling I get is that someone had a few good ideas on how to portray Phasma and a few cool scenes in his head, but he completely dropped the ball when it came to connecting these to a plot that's worth a damn.

I liked the fan theory that Palpatine’s first name was Frank, based on the line, “I must be frank, your majesty.”

You know, at this point, having Palpatine show up in IX and endlessly doing dad-jokes would be a step up for this trilogy.
Emo Ren: "I'm angry"
Palpatine: "Hello Angry, I'm Palpatine."
 
For that matter, why not simply pay the freakin’ parking ticket with the gold coins, and have the traffic cops thank them with a smile?

By the time BB-8 is loaded with casino coins/chips, they've already been jailed in holding for their offense. At this point, you can't just pay your way out of your cell; you have to cycle through the red tape paerwork since your processing has begun. Also there's no clear indicator of just how illegal that parking was, but considering a casino's influence it could have been a low-tier felony equivalent on that planet just to lock you up and force you into indentured service. Paying the fine is less valuable than you being a slave for the rest of your life(which they obviously had in the stables).

The gesture of shooting money at the cops to beat them/escape is largely symbolic of the entire sub-plot's theme: FUCK CAPITALISM! You like money so much, eat this!

I hoped she’d be the Boba Fett character of the new trilogy, this enigmatic badass who people are scared of, who gets shit done while everyone else is farting around with the Force.

She was the Boba Fett of this trilogy; nobody was scared of Boba Fett in the first three movies, he was just a recurring side-character with a cool helmet and minor lines delivered with a voice modulator made him seem like he had depth. It's pretty much what happened with Phasma; she had a cool helmet, barely got to speak, and seemed like she had way more backstory than is ever delivered on-screen.
 
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Kennedy and her goons don't want to work towards anything, they do not want to earn anything. They just want to have something without working for it.
They want to have a character that's badass, so they make a character, tell everyone said character is badass and if you disagree, why, you're just a nazi in disguise. And cause they think being lighthearted is always a good thing, Phasma is treated like a joke in TFA and since they are afraid to make their precious OC-do-not-steal characters suffer, she poses no threat in TLJ.

The thing is, when it comes down to individual shots of Phasma, they actually do a good job of portraying her. The scene where she walks towards finn and rose after the hangar blew up with the smoke and light giving her that fuckhuge shadow, that's a nice scene, visually. The scene where Finn hits her helmet with that cattle-prod thingy looks good, too. The blow really seems to carry a shitton of weight.
Even the scene where she falls down into the flames looks neat.
The problem is that every single other moment with her is so fucking stupid that these scenes fail to draw you in cause you don't give a shit about Phasma. She's a loser. She's uninteresting. And she's just a minor inconvenience whenever she pops up, to be easily disposed off by a mugging asshole.
The feeling I get is that someone had a few good ideas on how to portray Phasma and a few cool scenes in his head, but he completely dropped the ball when it came to connecting these to a plot that's worth a damn.



You know, at this point, having Palpatine show up in IX and endlessly doing dad-jokes would be a step up for this trilogy.
Emo Ren: "I'm angry"
Palpatine: "Hello Angry, I'm Palpatine."
At this point why not, let's crash tis shit into the ground with everything dumb that could happen actually happening, at least something might happen unlike in TLJ
 
You know, at this point, having Palpatine show up in IX and endlessly doing dad-jokes would be a step up for this trilogy.
Emo Ren: "I'm angry"
Palpatine: "Hello Angry, I'm Palpatine."

Palpatine was the best thing about the Prequels so why not?

I can already imagine a "really funny" scene where Poe Dameron buzzes in an "incoming call for Lord Palpy".
 
Since they are afraid to make their precious OC

Ding ding ding someone give this man a prize for hitting the fucking nail exactly on it's head. This is exactly why Phasma can't be a threat, why Kylo Ren can't be a threat, why General Hux is a joke. The protagonists are Mary Sues and having the villains actually be competent means that their precious self inserts might get hurt, can't have that.
 
Ding ding ding someone give this man a prize for hitting the fucking nail exactly on it's head. This is exactly why Phasma can't be a threat, why Kylo Ren can't be a threat, why General Hux is a joke. The protagonists are Mary Sues and having the villains actually be competent means that their precious self inserts might get hurt, can't have that.
When you can draw story-structure parallels from Sonichu to a multi-billion dollar franchise, that multi billion dollar franchise is in some deep shit.
 
By the time BB-8 is loaded with casino coins/chips, they've already been jailed in holding for their offense. At this point, you can't just pay your way out of your cell; you have to cycle through the red tape paerwork since your processing has begun. Also there's no clear indicator of just how illegal that parking was, but considering a casino's influence it could have been a low-tier felony equivalent on that planet just to lock you up and force you into indentured service. Paying the fine is less valuable than you being a slave for the rest of your life(which they obviously had in the stables).

Except that generally goes against the "only care about money" theme that was surrounding that scene and it just further highlights why such a rich place would bother with slaves instead of droids. I mean we are superior to you meatbags in every way and SW has it in the lore that we can be fitted with a little thing called "restraining bolts."

And yes I find it humorous that the only way for your headcanon to work is by going against all the other headcanon people have to make up to get the rest of the movie to work. Which is why it sucks harder than a dyson vacuum from the year 3000. You literally can't fix one part of it without breaking another. We just need to burn the whole thing down and start over.
 
Except that generally goes against the "only care about money" theme that was surrounding that scene and it just further highlights why such a rich place would bother with slaves instead of droids. I mean we are superior to you meatbags in every way and SW has it in the lore that we can be fitted with a little thing called "restraining bolts."
Why have child slaves and animal races when you can have ROBOT BUTLERS AND CYBER-GLADIATOR DEATHMATCHES!?

Ugh... they don't understand how culture would change with that kind of technology and that kind of money. VR studios, pay to enter and live a dream for an hour, robot fights, spacecraft joyrides, alien prostitutes, seriously, off the top of my head, all of those sound more interesting than CGI space casino.
 
Why have child slaves and animal races when you can have ROBOT BUTLERS AND CYBER-GLADIATOR DEATHMATCHES!?

Ugh... they don't understand how culture would change with that kind of technology and that kind of money. VR studios, pay to enter and live a dream for an hour, robot fights, spacecraft joyrides, alien prostitutes, seriously, off the top of my head, all of those sound more interesting than CGI space casino.

Because you can, that's why. The Galaxy Far Far Away is a big place with a fuckton of cultures in it. Maybe some people just like to own child slaves and animal races since they got bored with owning droid slaves and droids fighting each other just isn't their thing.
 
Because you can, that's why. The Galaxy Far Far Away is a big place with a fuckton of cultures in it. Maybe some people just like to own child slaves and animal races since they got bored with owning droid slaves and droids fighting each other just isn't their thing.
Which is funny because the old EU said that wookie slaves were a thing. And if you get bored with droid matches, I'd think wookie fights would be more entertaining than child endangerment.

But that's the repeated point. Everything in this movie shows a lack of imagination. Yeah there' a fuckton of cultures - so why human slaves? For what is supposed to be a font of depravity, it's all quite mundane in its transgressions.
 
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