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Then why not just sue?

THEN WHY NOT JUST SUE?!

That's really like asking "why not just fight the Hulk?"

It's kind of up to D&C and whether he wants to spend a couple of years of his life fucking around in court, and whether he finds a lawyer willing to gamble on winning against a corporation which, while itself only mildly formidable, is owned by fucking Disney.

Plus if they win, either because you can't prove your case or just because they decide to go scorched earth and spend you into the ground, you're on the hook for costs. In an ordinary case, that might be a couple grand tops, but if you're dealing with Disney it's going to be tens of thousands of dollars. In this case, I'm pretty sure he could crowdfund that end of it given the level of rage against Marvel, but you're still talking spending years fucking around with it when you could be doing something else, like making comics or even mumbling into a microphone on YouTube.
 
Ya know.......it really bears repeating that the target of a now years long industry crusade by the highest execs and industry "legends" and the undisputed ultimate boogieman of comics is literally just some guy with a small (less than 100k subs for fuck sake) youtube channel who says "this comic is dumb and its creator is stupid" about z-list comics nobody fucking reads, and they are so fucking obsessed with "defeating" him that they will openly break the law to pointlessly dick with him and his friends' pet projects

Like it would be objectively less pathetic if they went after fucking Null and kiwifarms at this point
 
That's really like asking "why not just fight the Hulk?"

It's kind of up to D&C and whether he wants to spend a couple of years of his life fucking around in court, and whether he finds a lawyer willing to gamble on winning against a corporation which, while itself only mildly formidable, is owned by fucking Disney.

Plus if they win, either because you can't prove your case or just because they decide to go scorched earth and spend you into the ground, you're on the hook for costs. In an ordinary case, that might be a couple grand tops, but if you're dealing with Disney it's going to be tens of thousands of dollars. In this case, I'm pretty sure he could crowdfund that end of it given the level of rage against Marvel, but you're still talking spending years fucking around with it when you could be doing something else, like making comics or even mumbling into a microphone on YouTube.
Except that Zack has a slam dunk case here, possessing clear evidence of comic pro lunacy from Marvel. And even otherwise, the evidence would still be easy to find. Such as in this thread, for example.

It would be like the case EVS could make for sexual harassment from Robbi Rodriguez.
 
Except that Zack has a slam dunk case here, possessing clear evidence of comic pro lunacy from Marvel. And even otherwise, the evidence would still be easy to find. Such as in this thread, for example.

It would be like the case EVS could make for sexual harassment from Robbi Rodriguez.

There's no such thing as a slam dunk case, much less against Disney if they decide to dig in their heels.

It's (IMO) a really solid prima facie case that could probably be fleshed out into something to work with.
 
There's no such thing as a slam dunk case, much less against Disney if they decide to dig in their heels.

It's (IMO) a really solid prima facie case that could probably be fleshed out into something to work with.
Question is, given how much Marvel comics is in the red at the moment, what are the odds of disney just saying "fuck this" and ordering a bunch of firings and a quiet settlement in order to avoid another PR nightmare?

conversely what are the odds of them going into a panic at the idea of their golden MCU goose getting star-wars'd and pouring everything into protecting marvel?
 
Question is, given how much Marvel comics is in the red at the moment, what are the odds of disney just saying "fuck this" and ordering a bunch of firings and a quiet settlement in order to avoid another PR nightmare?

conversely what are the odds of them going into a panic at the idea of their golden MCU goose getting star-wars'd and pouring everything into protecting marvel?
They would probably make the comics into a scapegoat if the MCU starts flopping. They already don’t follow anything plot-related from the comics side anyway.
 
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Question is, given how much Marvel comics is in the red at the moment, what are the odds of disney just saying "fuck this" and ordering a bunch of firings and a quiet settlement in order to avoid another PR nightmare?

conversely what are the odds of them going into a panic at the idea of their golden MCU goose getting star-wars'd and pouring everything into protecting marvel?

I honestly don't know. One is a legal issue and the other is a what the fuck is going through Disney's head question. That's why anyone who could answer it would not only know the law, but also know what exactly is going on at Disney and what reaction they can expect.
 
Question is, given how much Marvel comics is in the red at the moment, what are the odds of disney just saying "fuck this" and ordering a bunch of firings and a quiet settlement in order to avoid another PR nightmare?

conversely what are the odds of them going into a panic at the idea of their golden MCU goose getting star-wars'd and pouring everything into protecting marvel?
I don't think some cocaine-snorting suit gives a shit about what happens to Marvel Comics, we have seen with films like Spider-Man: Homecoming that they don't really need to adapt comic-book stories to make successful and enjoyable movies. The only reason they keep the comics outfit in there is to create new characters and test out ideas, even if they have to drastically change those characters and ideas in movie form. That's why they can just take Riri Williams or Kamala Khan or whoever the fuck and just change their entire characters, arcs and histories into something workable while only keeping the most surface of their surface traits.

Honestly speaking, I think the main problem that spawned Comicsgate isn't the actual act of replacing the classic characters, it's the shockingly poor execution of it, and the later chimp-out from creators when they discovered that oh, maybe people just don't like your new characters as much as you thought they would. Any ordinary professional would ask to be given a chance to prove his creations' worth, or alternatively adjust their writing to the feedback they're getting. DC Comics in particular has multiple generations and incarnations of almost every major character they have, and I didn't see fan backlash, they just have their favorites and that era's creators mostly accepted that.

On another note, I also think Crossovers kinda fucked the possibility of introducing new characters in their own space, and giving them time to actually develop into things people like. Now it's 10-12 issues maximum and it's on to a team book or crossover. So no wonder you get shitty or half-baked characters.

But all these ruminations of mine are useless anyways, no one will ever listen to them, because now we live in the #WOKE age, where you can't dislike some shitty pop-culture thing without it being some kind of indication as to the prejudices that lie within your true character or whatever the fuck.

You now have to love every single shitty thing you see or you're some kind of -ist. Apathy, indifference or just plain tolerance of things aren't acceptable anymore for these idiots, you have to absolutely love everything and everyone with all your capacity, or you get branded as someone who hates most or everything, and that's just a shitty existence that most sane people can't deal with for stuff as trite as pop-culture. No wonder people are voting for Trump or not buying comics, or hating on those comic professionals/journalists/woke indie companies, because no one will ever accept getting dictated to feel something they don't.

Oh, and regarding settlements, why settle a lawsuit that hasn't been filed, and may never get filed?
 
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Ya know.......it really bears repeating that the target of a now years long industry crusade by the highest execs and industry "legends" and the undisputed ultimate boogieman of comics is literally just some guy with a small (less than 100k subs for fuck sake) youtube channel who says "this comic is dumb and its creator is stupid" about z-list comics nobody fucking reads, and they are so fucking obsessed with "defeating" him that they will openly break the law to pointlessly dick with him and his friends' pet projects

Like it would be objectively less pathetic if they went after fucking Null and kiwifarms at this point
I think you're selling D&C a little bit short, but point taken. It's what he represents to them that provokes their reaction. He is someone who knows what they're doing, isn't afraid to call them out, and isn't intimidated by their threats.

For all the good natured ribbing our Boi Zach takes, he is nothing less than an existential threat to them. And they all know it.
 
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This is dumb. Probably the dumbest thing I’ve seen all year. Both of these speds were made for each other. I noticed she edited out the portions where he stabs male characters but who will really look at the original video? This was the equivalent of:
Except they’re both retards
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YF is back on my shit list.
 
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Except that Zack has a slam dunk case here, possessing clear evidence of comic pro lunacy from Marvel. And even otherwise, the evidence would still be easy to find. Such as in this thread, for example.

It would be like the case EVS could make for sexual harassment from Robbi Rodriguez.
One story I remember about Disney and "slam dunk" court cases was at one point there was a non-profit after school program that was doing stage productions of some Disney films, and for whatever reason Disney's lawyers caught wind of it and sent them a cease and desist.

The person who ran the program knew such an order was bullshit since they were well within the range of fair use considering it was educational, and he said as much. The Disney legal team basically told him that yes, he was completely in the right, and if it ever went to court the non profit would win. But Disney was prepared to make taking the matter to court so difficult and financially taxing that the non profit would basically go bankrupt just trying to fight it, even when legally they were in the right.

Having the evidence be in your favor can mean very little when going up against a conglomerate that has the resources to ruin you in other ways.
 
For all the good natured ribbing our Boi Zach takes, he is nothing less than an existential threat to them. And they all know it.

He's only an existential threat because they autistically attacked him. Without that, he was just a guy talking about comics because it's apparently something he likes doing. For some insane reason, maybe because they're just such fanatical cultists they can't deal with any dissent at all, they decided they had to go all in on destroying him.
 
He's only an existential threat because they autistically attacked him. Without that, he was just a guy talking about comics because it's apparently something he likes doing. For some insane reason, maybe because they're just such fanatical cultists they can't deal with any dissent at all, they decided they had to go all in on destroying him.
He just has the personality that won't back down.
 
Why did you ever let him leave it lol? Nigga's been a tard since this whole thing started.
He started mellowing out. I lost interest in his stupidity, good to see he’s back in top form.
 
I think you're selling D&C a little bit short, but point taken. It's what he represents to them that provokes their reaction. He is someone who knows what they're doing, isn't afraid to call them out, and isn't intimidated by their threats.

For all the good natured ribbing our Boi Zach takes, he is nothing less than an existential threat to them. And they all know it.

I said in another thread (or maybe this one) that it's interesting to watch 2016 election prediction videos. Some of them cite the fact that the media went all out to destroy Trump was proof that he was going to destroy them, and they knew it. You don't bring out the big guns to deal with some insignificant joke of an opponent.

But your post got me thinking about when TV and other mediums, franchise, and companies that went bad. They assume they have your balls in a vice, that you'll eat whatever slop they put in front of you and ask for seconds. Because what are you going to do? They control the medium/franchise. Ya Boi is showing that you don't have to eat slop, and the vice doesn't exist.

One story I remember about Disney and "slam dunk" court cases was at one point there was a non-profit after school program that was doing stage productions of some Disney films, and for whatever reason Disney's lawyers caught wind of it and sent them a cease and desist.

The person who ran the program knew such an order was bullshit since they were well within the range of fair use considering it was educational, and he said as much. The Disney legal team basically told him that yes, he was completely in the right, and if it ever went to court the non profit would win. But Disney was prepared to make taking the matter to court so difficult and financially taxing that the non profit would basically go bankrupt just trying to fight it, even when legally they were in the right.

Having the evidence be in your favor can mean very little when going up against a conglomerate that has the resources to ruin you in other ways.

You don't have to be rich to make a trial an arduous and futile process. I don't mean to keep bringing up gamergate, but Zoe Quinn did this to Eron to keep him quiet. False restraining orders and excuses, only to drop the case at the last possible moment to avoid any consequences of her actions. Eron managed to recoup the legal fees due to crowd funding, but not everyone is going to be that lucky. I imagine a corporation like Disney could keep such a process going for longer, and make it more expensive.
 
Honestly speaking, I think the main problem that spawned Comicsgate isn't the actual act of replacing the classic characters, it's the shockingly poor execution of it, and the later chimp-out from creators when they discovered that oh, maybe people just don't like your new characters as much as you thought they would. Any ordinary professional would ask to be given a chance to prove his creations' worth, or alternatively adjust their writing to the feedback they're getting. DC Comics in particular has multiple generations and incarnations of almost every major character they have, and I didn't see fan backlash, they just have their favorites and that era's creators mostly accepted that.

As SFDebris pointed out in his history of comics series, this used to be a staple of MARVEL comics. To sum up, there for quite awhile (80s-early 90s I think) they would have the main hero of a book be taken out of commission. Have a replacement come on for a few issues, build some interest, then bring back the original and take the replacement off to his own book and adventures. (example: Thunderstrike) This would also be right around the time these "entitled manbabies" would have been prime comic-book buying age so this whole argument of "they don't like new" is just bull-hockey all around. The fans keep screaming "It's not the idea, it's the execution!" but nobody's listening.

You don't have to be rich to make a trial an arduous and futile process. I don't mean to keep bringing up gamergate, but Zoe Quinn did this to Eron to keep him quiet. False restraining orders and excuses, only to drop the case at the last possible moment to avoid any consequences of her actions. Eron managed to recoup the legal fees due to crowd funding, but not everyone is going to be that lucky. I imagine a corporation like Disney could keep such a process going for longer, and make it more expensive.

The technical term is "lawfare" if you ever want to look up stories that will make your servos run cold.
 
As SFDebris pointed out in his history of comics series, this used to be a staple of MARVEL comics. To sum up, there for quite awhile (80s-early 90s I think) they would have the main hero of a book be taken out of commission. Have a replacement come on for a few issues, build some interest, then bring back the original and take the replacement off to his own book and adventures. (example: Thunderstrike) This would also be right around the time these "entitled manbabies" would have been prime comic-book buying age so this whole argument of "they don't like new" is just bull-hockey all around. The fans keep screaming "It's not the idea, it's the execution!" but nobody's listening.
You'd think that right now would be the perfect time to do stuff like that, when pressure to succeed is at it's very lowest compared to the old days, where the comics market was essential to Marvel's financial wellbeing. You look at the most well-liked new hero, Miles Morales (subjective and anecdotal, I know, but I have never seen any real complaints about him as a character), and he's been pretty much built up and introduced in a very slow and methodical way. And I honestly don't see that in most of the new diversity heroes, maybe Kamala, but that got embroiled really quickly in crossovers and team books.

Even when SJW Marvel makes a good character through sheer luck, they immediately run them into the ground by putting them everywhere in sight in order to parade their success.
 
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