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There’s no end to Alterna’s torment
Alterna’s misery doesn’t end there as those who oppose Comicsgate ended up co-opting their tactics and harassing anyone working for Alterna along with Peter Simeti.

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Whether this is sustainable is anybody's guess. But if this is misery, I guess he'll take it.

Death SJW, where is thy sting?
 
Yup. Brexit, Drumpffff (who btw IMPEACH AND IMPRISON NAO!) and some guy on youtube calling zero-sale woke comics stupid are all part of the same evil bigot conspiracy and unless people in the industry shriek "NAZZIII! YOU AM NAZIIII!" at them even louder they will take over, and also calling somebody whining about how comics are a hate crime
But please donate to the Guardian though! They sure need your help!

I'm both impressed and disgusted by this negationist history
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If her movie depiction is 'in name only' and they rewrite her entire character into something that isn't a thieving cunt, it could work.

Here's an idea. Riri's a girl growing up in oh... let's say the projects. She's got big dreams, and is trying to keep out of the gang cycle of failure. She's clever and good with her hands; a budding engineer. And she comes across the original designs for the Iron Man suit. The Mark I -- the hilarious, clanking monstrosity that got Tony Stark out of that cave.

Well, she's not Tony Stark, but she's got more than a box of scraps to work with, even in ghetto hell.

See, THAT'S how you plug Riri in as a sympathetic protagonist. Someone trying to not fall into the same traps that claim so many of her friends, maybe even improve things for the better. Eventually, Tony is going to notice someone stomping around Queens in a Mark I knockoff, and there's how you get them to meet.

Sadly, that'll never happen, because all they want to write about is how she's black and female, rather than reaching for the stars instead of sitting in the mud.
Tyler Perry is IronMadea.
 
I don't buy it either but to be fair to that theory, it's more about extending the life line for having movies titled "IRON MAN" and "CAPTAIN AMERICA" then a testing ground for new ideas. RDJ can't do it forever so get some Disney Channel kid to play Riri Williams and we can totally have an Iron Man 4-6 to cash in on the name without recasting? Just say something about "Diversity" as that's super popular these days.

Not really. Everything that's been touted up front as watch this it's diverse has tanked hard, like FemmeBusters and this Star Wars crap. Stuff that has checked some SJW boxes has succeeded on its own merits and then praise for those other attributes came later, like Fury Road, Black Panther, and (again) the Star Wars movie that succeeded despite anti-SJW autistic screeching about starring a black guy.

Unless comics creators adopt a zero tolerance approach to racism and misogyny, this abuse of power by ‘fans’ will never end

It'll end when fans stop buying your shit for constantly insulting them and lying about them. Then your career collecting welfare will begin.

This surprises me. I'd think DC would have better lawyers; it isn't like there were many places for Moore to go when this was produced.

Alan Moore may come across as a cloud cuckoo land hippie with deranged ideas, but he's always driven a hard bargain. He doesn't take any shit.

A reversion clause is actually a pretty standard provision. Less so in comics, especially Big Two comics from that era, but Moore had enough clout and was enough of an asshole to get even DC to come to the table to some degree.
 
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This is a way better origin than the comic one. Stealing a bunch of stuff from a tech school cuz 'fuck Dem white privilege people' is not sympathetic start to a character. Thieves in general aren't sympathetic unless it's Aladdin and we liked him despite his theft because he shared his bread with poor orphans who needed it more.

What was the writing meeting like on that do you think?

"Hey, I made a black heroine! I had her steal shit like sterotypical black people!"

Having some girl with some smarts ghetto-assing something akin to the MK1 suit out of whatever shit she could find in a local junk yard because she's actually that fucking smart would be dope as hell to see. Hell, make it so it's her family's fucking junkyard or some shit and prior to that she made some junk yard art that her father/uncle complains about because it keeps taking away stock he can sell.

Would also compliment Spiderman in the MCU too. Slightly more smart girl who's about the same age n shit. (Father killed by gangs to mimic/create some super sympathy and understanding between Spidey and her?)
 
Why would they need better ones? Watchman continually sells so right now DC has it in the bag. It wouldn't surprise me if they were the ones to suggest this.

It's usually the artist who wants this. The main concern it addresses is that your relationship with the company goes sour and they bury your product or, even worse, the company goes bankrupt and either ceases to exist or gets gobbled up by some predator who, similarly, doesn't give a shit about your product.

In this case, you can reclaim your property and do what you want with it. Usually, companies are fairly reasonable about agreeing to this because if the situation that triggers the reversion happens, they either don't exist or are no longer interested in the property anyway.

Big publishers are fairly notorious for fucking with these reversion provisions, though, by keeping stuff nominally in print but actually not doing anything to sell it.

Current copyright law (we're due for a revisit in 2023, which is when Mickey Mouse is scheduled to enter the public domain) grants the copyright for life of the artist + 70 years. Who on earth is close to that?

Works made for hire or works with corporate authors have a flat 120 years.

It didn't last. The 2004 elections took a big chunk out of the network's sails when the more entertaining shows left, either because members of their staff moved on to other things (Sirius, actually being in government, etc) or left the network.

The main media success story from this era was Rachel Maddow, and the obvious move to politics was Al Franken.
 
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Team-up books were a popular way to get initial issues off the ground. At his height, Spider-man was literally showing up in almost everybody's book to help sell it. Still, it doesn't matter that it sounds backwards, it's the way Marvel comics was doing things for the time.





You both need to think of something else: copyrights. I was talking to someone else once and he pointed out that a lot of the classic comic characters are old enough to be entering public domain. Now I'm not sure how detailed are the rights on these characters whether it has to be the medium the character appeared it or anything involving it. If the former, then the comics have to keep publishing otherwise any studio could start making Iron Man movies...

One infamous rule known to fans is that if DC ever stops publishing the original watchmen, it reverts back to Alan Moore (hence why they're always keeping the book in print). Just imagine if some writer or artist from back in the day suddenly regained the rights to Guardians of the Galaxy...

Most of Marvel’s stuff is well within copyright and will remain so for the remainder of our lifetimes. The only ones that are even potentially at risk are Captain America and Sub Mariner as they are Golden Age characters. And even then the only stuff at risk of slipping is the WW2 era stuff. So you might be able to tell a WW2 Cap story, but not a modern one. And even then with comics because they are a continuos publication, it doesn’t all drop at once. The earliest stories may drop, but some elements may still be protected by later stories. And if you reference those even unintentionally you get nailed. Marvel themselves got nailed with this over their Shiang Chi Master of Kung Fu book and character years ago. It used Fu Manchu as the main characters father. Problem was not all Fu Manchu stuff had entered the public domain, so they got nailed. Sherlock Holmes was in this state for awhile too. The early stories were public domain, the later were not. It resulted in expensive legal fun.

The takeaway is it is very hard to exploit a character that is in continuos use, even if the initial earliest copyrights have entered public domain. Also remember that for many of the core characters and products that are often discussed, they are not simply protected by Copyright. They are protected by And as Trademarks. The big one being Mickey Mouse. When Mickey’s Copyright finally fades, you will be able to reproduce and sell classic Mickey cartoons. But making new ones would probably be blocked by Trademark.

Now the upside is Trademarks are hard to get and establish so the producers only trademark the key core characters. For example in Transformers Optimus Prime, Bumblebee, Megatron and Starscream are established as Trademarks. Most of the rest are simply Copyright. For comics Captain America, Iron Man, Fantastic Four X-Men etc are Trademarks. Generally anything that is a brand as well as a character. Trademarks are eternal so long as they are used and defended.
 
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What was the writing meeting like on that do you think?

"Hey, I made a black heroine! I had her steal shit like sterotypical black people!"

Having some girl with some smarts ghetto-assing something akin to the MK1 suit out of whatever shit she could find in a local junk yard because she's actually that fucking smart would be dope as hell to see. Hell, make it so it's her family's fucking junkyard or some shit and prior to that she made some junk yard art that her father/uncle complains about because it keeps taking away stock he can sell.

Would also compliment Spiderman in the MCU too. Slightly more smart girl who's about the same age n shit. (Father killed by gangs to mimic/create some super sympathy and understanding between Spidey and her?)
The funniest aspect of Riris origins is that a) Bendis supposedly created her for his adopted black daughter, and b) he was "inspired" when he met a black woman in Chicago while working on an episode for a TV show about gang violence, so a good chunk of Riri's backstory is ripped off from the traumatic events of a real life person.

Imagine being that Chicago woman and finding out that not only did some doughy white guy take your life story and turn it into a shitty Iron Man knockoff for asspats and diversity fodder, but then because of his self-congratulatory bullshit he made your comic doppleganger look like a total asshole.
 
Here's an idea. Riri's a girl growing up in oh... let's say the projects. She's got big dreams, and is trying to keep out of the gang cycle of failure. She's clever and good with her hands; a budding engineer. And she comes across the original designs for the Iron Man suit.
Riri Williams 'I have to go now, my planet needs me' (Note: Riri died on the way back to her home planet).
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Dump Riri, go with the niece of James Rhodes - (my attempt) Grew up with Rhodes who helps instill discipline,hard work and patriotism into her character. Fascinated with the war machine armor, starts by simply helping him in and out, then prepping and maintenance. Wants to fly, but is not allowed because you don't put a young girl (idk lets say 16) into war and the toll the armor takes on the body. So fascinated and driven she studies to become an engineer (not the most intelligent person eva, not speaking in equations, doesn't wuv the science). Knows Stark from young age and goes to MIT, more fun when around Tony (not LOL so random) as he is less strict compared to Rhodey. Eventually gets to fly by inventing some sort of inertial dampener (or some shit), modifying an already made suit or taking war machine armor against Rhodey's wishes. However she does so, for a noble purpose like saving his life.

Prepare for huge fake news regarding how many Iceman #1s are sold to retailers. Halve any number Marvel toutes
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If her movie depiction is 'in name only' and they rewrite her entire character into something that isn't a thieving cunt, it could work.

Here's an idea. Riri's a girl growing up in oh... let's say the projects. She's got big dreams, and is trying to keep out of the gang cycle of failure. She's clever and good with her hands; a budding engineer. And she comes across the original designs for the Iron Man suit. The Mark I -- the hilarious, clanking monstrosity that got Tony Stark out of that cave.

Well, she's not Tony Stark, but she's got more than a box of scraps to work with, even in ghetto hell.

See, THAT'S how you plug Riri in as a sympathetic protagonist. Someone trying to not fall into the same traps that claim so many of her friends, maybe even improve things for the better. Eventually, Tony is going to notice someone stomping around Queens in a Mark I knockoff, and there's how you get them to meet.

Sadly, that'll never happen, because all they want to write about is how she's black and female, rather than reaching for the stars instead of sitting in the mud.
Reminds me of an idea I had to make Riri a decent character in her introduction/opening arc, which was also a total teardown like this neat piece.

Similar origins to yours; she's from Washington DC, part of a poorer family that lives in the seedier parts. She has similar issues that your version had with crime, made worse given one of her brothers (she's the third of four kids) has a criminal history. She like your take is a technical prodigy. The differences were that she grew up feeling like an outcast; she loved working on machines and electronics in a school that didn't cater to it due to budgetary reasons; she was a bored student who often just didn't pay attention in class. She also didn't have many friends; she was shy and socially awkward.

As she grew up she admired Tony Stark; he was a handsome playboy and a once in a generation genius responsible for making a variety of wonders, including the Iron Man suit. She has a crush on him somewhat bad. Either way, she's inspired to be like Mr. Stark, and manages to luck into a magnet school due to her engineering and mathmatic chops, which her mother is so proud of. She sort of emulates Tony due to her fancrush on him during this period, trying to be more confident than she really feels. Either way, she blazes through later school years and is actually granted a scholarship at a presitgious university thanks to StarkTech's grants to the STEM field.

She excels in her field (engineering and robotics) and is pretty much near the top in her classes. Then one day, Tony shows up to the University as a part of a lecture/employee scoping. Riri becomes a mess when Tony shows up, and a fairly awkward conversation ensues that amuses Tony and embarrasses the hell out of Riri. Despite this initial awkwardness the two hit it off; Tony and Riri both get exactly what the other is talking about when most of the students get stumped; it's a conversation between two insufferable geniuses and they enjoy the talk. Then the Melter shows up to essentially try and murder Tony, the man who in his mind was responsible for ruining his life. He manages to bushwhack Iron Man and render the suit scrap with a new drone gimmick, but Tony barely manages to escape with his life thanks to his experience being Iron Man. He (with Riri's help) manages to make it to a hidden area inside the campus to check the damage on what little is left of the suit and he's annoyed at what he finds; even kludging together the suit out of parts there wouldn't be enough to make a suit stand against the Melter's rays. This is where Riri comes in.

She offers to fly the suit, which makes Tony just look at her. While a bit cowed by his look, she insists that the suit they'd make would perform better if she piloted it. This is a simple engineering principle, since she weighs a decent deal less than Tony, meaning that the arc reactor powering said suit could be dedicated to more systems, like thrusters or repulser rays. Tony sighs, smirks, and agrees to the plan. Riri is kitted out in the franken suit, and she goes out to try and take on the Melter. She has trouble controlling the suit, and causes some collateral just trying to avoid the villain's deadly rays. She gives a decent fight but is cornered by the Melter's drones. This is when Tony steps in to assist; he manages to scramble the Melter's drone's signals using something he kitbashed from the techlab, rending the main brunt of his weaponry useless; this gives Riri the chance to beat the Melter cold.

The Melter's locked up, and the two look at each other. Tony offers her an internship in StarkTech, and she happily accepts. She also is inspired by this occasion as well as her oldest brother's struggles to get out of gang life, to try and stop street crime using her own variation of the suit now that she got a decent look at how to build it. And thus Ironheart is born...

It really isn't hard to make her work; you just need basic people skills and the understanding a character has to be interesting and one you can empathize with.
 
Dump Riri, go with the niece of James Rhodes - (my attempt) Grew up with Rhodes who helps instill discipline,hard work and patriotism into her character. Fascinated with the war machine armor, starts by simply helping him in and out, then prepping and maintenance.

Simpsons DC did it already. Steel's niece Natasha pretty much did the same thing years ago.
 
You're still thinking about it in terms of comics alone

No. My point was that loss leaders tend to have some long term goal or secondary function. Microsoft took a loss on gaming in the hope that it would pay off like how windows dominates personal computers. Google has been taking a loss on YouTube in the hope that they will have the number 1 platform once the tech becomes cheap enough to make it profitable.

Marvel comics seem to be doing nothing, with no long term plan. The copyright and film cast arguments are interesting, but the idea that they are doing this for new movie or toy characters doesn't work. No one wants to buy toys of characters they hate. I don't know for sure, but I think the Ghostbusters 2016 toys failed to sell.

A bit off topic, but the old Bucky O'Hare comics were made with the intention of selling toys, to the point where the colour schemes were easy to paint and some characters even had peg holes in their feet.

That's what I adore about these articles, always "Why comic creators need to put a foot down on misogyny and racism!" and never dealing with the objective fact their industry is going into the toilet. Then we can all pat ourselves on the back and say how it was inevitably going to die, it couldn't be stopped, when they purposely speed towards that cliff.

It's like dealing with a friend/relative who's dying of some addiction except instead of cocaine, they're addicted to fat black lesbians.

At least it's funny to watch tho.

What I like about that article is that the author is clearly aware of GamerGate, Trump, and Brexit, but decides that the way to beat ComicsGate is to use the exact same REEEEing tactics that failed against GamerGate, Trump, and Brexit.

"It'll work this time guys, I swear."


This is the core of the problem we're having, both with CG and GG. Creators making mediocre (at best) content (and usually it's much worse), and then throwing temper tantrums when their stuff tanks and/or gets panned.

So they sling around the usual buzzwords, and insist it's YOUR fault for not buying their shitty comic or game.

There was a Tumblr (and furry) comic about that argument, but I can't find it. It argued that the "make your own game!" excuse doesn't work because his games were just a "voice in the void", "lost in the din" of every other non-progressive game. Because of that, they were justified in converting existing, popular games to get the message out. I remember it because of an overly dramatic panel where there's a pile of games with a hand sticking out, holding the comic creators game.
 
There was a Tumblr (and furry) comic about that argument, but I can't find it. It argued that the "make your own game!" excuse doesn't work because his games were just a "voice in the void", "lost in the din" of every other non-progressive game. Because of that, they were justified in converting existing, popular games to get the message out. I remember it because of an overly dramatic panel where there's a pile of games with a hand sticking out, holding the comic creators game.
That's probably a sign that his message is shit.
 
That's probably a sign that his message is shit.
That's one of the great lies of it all. They keep claiming that there's this huge audience of women, minorities, trans, and disabled "folx" just waiting for a single game/film/comic that represents them. Yet time and again they never turn up, and there's always some excuse about why.
 
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