Diseased #Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[AnOminous]

After this dude went on a deranged rant against Simetti, here is Peter being professional to customers, still advertising and trying to get more of the lunatics books sold.

To be more accurate, the picture of the "Nazi" should just be some completely random normal looking person, which is who is usually punched when these morons "punch a Nazi."

 

[RockVolnutt]

To be more accurate, the picture of the "Nazi" should just be some completely random normal looking person, which is who is usually punched when these morons "punch a Nazi."

The best part is the "don't stop" bit. You're basically implying to want them injured or killed for "being an asshole". There's countless reasons why that's an extremely bad idea.

Plus even if we're talking about actual nazis, if someone showed up going "HE DA NAZREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE. PUTTIN DA DARKIES BAK ON DA BOATS!!!!!!" and then starts wailing on them like a demented ape screaming in incoherency, I'd probably be right with them in wanting to put your ass in a cage for everyone's safety. You're too unstable for general society.

 

[damian]

Washington Post (Archive: https://archive.fo/4gpJP):
The Comicsgate movement isn’t defending free speech. It’s suppressing it.
As with Gamergate, the voices they seek to silence are often those of women and minorities.


By Noah Berlatsky
Noah Berlatsky is the author most recently of "Chattering Class War: Punching Pundits from Brooks to Breitbart and Chait to Chapo."
September 13 at 6:00 AM

In 2016, the comics writer Chelsea Cain found herself drowning in abusive tweets. She’d made the mistake of penning an issue of Marvel’s Mockingbird series that featured an image of its heroine wearing a shirt saying, “Ask Me About My Feminist Agenda.” In the words in which one representative attack put it, she was “ruining my favorite character with your feminist crap.” As many others have in similar circumstances, Cain temporarily deleted her account.

Cain’s experience was one of the most important precursors of Comicsgate, the latest in a series of reactionary movements and harassment campaigns centered on nerd fandoms. Like Gamergate in games and the Sad Puppies in literary science-fiction, Comicsgate claims to be fighting against censorship and the politicized groupthink of leftist social justice warriors (SJWs) — anti-racists, feminists and marginalized people whom the right characterizes as oppressors. But again, like those other movements, Comicsgate participants in fact work to silence opinions they dislike and voices they deem malignant. The left is often accused of intolerance and antipathy to the First Amendment. The most serious new threat to free speech, however, is the use of free speech as a cover for an ongoing online assault on the enemies of the right.

The hashtag Comicsgate started in June 2017. A group of female Marvel employees posted a group selfie in which they were celebrating the legacy of recently deceased comics publisher Flo Steinberg, one of Marvel’s earliest employees who had helped the company’s unique approach to fan outrage. Ironically, a group of comics fans online were enraged at the evidence that women worked for Marvel. They condemned the women as “fake geek girls” and “the creepiest collection of stereotypical SJWs anyone could possibly imagine,” in the words of one enraged tweeter. Another suggested that a woman in the picture looked like “the ‘false rape charge’ type."

Among those joining in the attacks was Richard C. Meyer, who uses the ironic twitter and YouTube handle Diversity & Comics. Meyer became a ringleader of Comicsgate, which rallied around the argument that female, POC and LGBT characters and creators were ruining comic books, and pushing out the views and voices of authentic fans. DC writer Magdalene Visaggio, a trans woman, was a special target; Meyer misgendered her and claimed she was mentally ill. In a private video posted in 2017 and obtained by the Daily Beast, Meyer railed against one female Marvel editor using gendered slurs and attacked others for supposedly exchanging sexual favors for career advancement. More recently, Comicsgate proponents have been arguing that celebrated poet and playwright Eve Ewing, who will be writing the new Ironheart series at Marvel, isunqualified or undeserving.

Comicsgaters and their sympathizers generally frame these attacks on industry professionals as a brave, contrarian fight against stifling conformity. An important forerunner of Comicsgate was a controversy over art by Frank Cho and Milo Manara, which showed comics characters in hyper-sexualized poses. He and Manara responded to criticism by drawing a series of other controversial sketches, at least one featuring an underage character, in the name of free speech and baiting feminists. Cho later claimed he was censored when writer Greg Rucka asked editorial to remove him as Wonder Woman cover artist because of his sexualized drawings.

[If we took 'Gamergate' harassment seriously, 'Pizzagate' might never have happened]

The idea that people are being censored because they face criticism or because in work-for-hire settings their bosses or collaborators aren’t happy with their work doesn’t make a lot of sense. But it’s a staple claim of right-wing nerd harassment, and it’s used to justify extreme claims about left-wing totalitarianism. The X-Men artist Jon Malin compared progressives to Hitler. “X-Men are closer to Jews in SJW Hitler’s Germany fighting for freedom because they see ideologues rising, silencing them, weaponizing hate, racism, and socialism,” he wrote Jan. 21.

Similarly, when Malin and Richard Meyer’s comic Jawbreakers was dropped by its distributor, Antarctic Press, the far-right conservative outlet the Federalist went all in on the censorship narrative. Many creators and fans urged Antarctic Press to drop Jawbreakers because of Meyer’s history of harassment and abuse. The Federalist, however, said Meyer was being silenced because of his brave conservative stances. “The industry stood firm against conservative creators because they are outspoken against the extreme politics in comics, and as the left is wont to do, mischaracterized them in an effort to delegitimize their product.” Attacking women for daring to post selfies while celebrating a deceased colleague is apparently important conservative political speech.
Reactionaries claim that the left is preventing them from saying all the sexual, important, insightful things they want to say. But right-wing nerd harassment campaigns themselves are aimed at policing and shutting down certain speech and certain speakers.

Darryl Ayo, an indie comic creator and critic, told me about one instance in which Comicsgate targeted him for speaking out. Ayo had criticized Malin’s claim that SJWs were Nazis. That night after midnight, popular comics penciler, outspoken right-winger and Comicsgate leader Ethan Van Sciver challenged him to appear on his podcast to debate Malin. “Darryl, come on my show right now and say what you have to say,” Van Sciver tweeted.

Ayo didn’t know Van Sciver and refused the offer. Van Sciver continued to demand that he appear on the show. For anyone who uses Twitter, the result was, predictably, months of insults and harassment. The day before we spoke, eight months after the original confrontation, someone had posted multiple messages on Ayo’s Facebook page to denigrate his art, referencing his conflict with Van Sciver.

Van Sciver framed himself as a proponent of debate and the healthy exchange of ideas. But in fact, he was demanding that Ayo deferentially follow his orders in the middle of the night or be labeled as unreasonable and a justifiable target for abuse. A free speech frame became a way to go after someone for saying things Van Sciver didn’t like — and for putting others on notice that their tweets or comments could make them the next target.

Van Sciver wasn't able to orchestrate enough abuse to force Ayo offline. But other reactionary nerd campaigns have had greater success in terrorizing their targets. Gamergate, motivated like Comicsgate by anger at the existence of women in nerd spaces, sent so many death threats to feminist games critic Anita Sarkeesian that she was forced to flee her home.

[Rape and death threats are terrorizing female gamers. Why haven't men in tech spoken out?]

This sort of harassment was not an isolated incident. Milo Yiannopoulos, a Gamergate leader who wrote for the reactionary website Breitbart, orchestrated a campaign ofharassment against actor Leslie Jones for appearing in the all-female “Ghostbusters” reboot. The abuse led Jones to leave Twitter — which was such an embarrassment that Twitter banned Yiannopoulos from the platform. Even without him, though, a campaign of abuse in the same mode was launched against Kelly Marie Tran of the Star Wars franchise. Again, reactionary fans were angry that the movies had cast an actor who wasn’t white and male. Tran deleted her Instagram after she was sent waves of racist and sexist abuse.

Most of Comicsgate’s targets have been lower profile than Jones or Tran. But that doesn’t mean that the harassers have been ineffective. Meyer, Van Sciver and their followers have made it clear that black critics who question their friends, or female Marvel employees who post selfies online, will be bullied and attacked. Their goal has been to make comics less welcoming to people who aren’t white and male, and they’ve succeeded in that goal.

The right wing in our era has wrapped itself in the mantle of the First Amendment; even fascists claim to march in the name of free speech. But Comicsgate, and other geek culture reactionary campaigns, show that this is a lie. When you set yourself against diversity, you also set yourself against diverse voices. The effort to keep certain people out of comics, or games, or geek culture, is also an effort to silence certain perspectives, and to prevent certain people from speaking. Free speech for certain people isn’t free speech at all.
“I think they’ve successfully made the stakes of being a female or black or queer or trans comics creator feel a lot higher,” said Jay Edidin, a comics writer, editor and critic. Comicsgate put marginalized creators and fans on notice that some people in comics didn’t want them there and would come after them. It’s impossible to know how many people that discouraged, but there’s little doubt that the intent was to discourage. “I obviously can’t look at numbers and say, ‘Well, this many people would have been here making comics if it weren’t for Comicsgate,’ ” Edidin said. “But I absolutely believe it has had an effect.”
Part of the reason the effect may be hard to measure is that there are also people working, despite Comicsgate’s best efforts, to make comics more welcoming. Earlier this year, Edidin himself helped lead a successful campaign to get Dark Horse Comics to cover trans health care under its insurance policy. Many comics pros have also recently begun to speak out against Comicsgate, which may help to reduce the movement’s influence. Comics may yet become more open to different viewpoints, different experiences and different creators. If it does, though, it will be despite right-wing “free speech” warriors, not because of them.

Bounding into Comics made an article debunking each claim (Archive: https://archive.fo/Ej2r5):
The Washington Post Wades Into Comicsgate With Attack on Free Speech and Outright Lies
John F. Trent September 13, 2018 Comic Culture

 

[RodgerDodger]

To be more accurate, the picture of the "Nazi" should just be some completely random normal looking person, which is who is usually punched when these morons "punch a Nazi."

The NAZI pinched in the comic looks astonishingly like the author him/itself. Scrawny dweeby beta male white guy. Who apparently has a fetish about being rammed hard by muscular black men.

 

[Starscreams Cape]

Washington Post (Archive: https://archive.fo/4gpJP):
The Comicsgate movement isn’t defending free speech. It’s suppressing it.
As with Gamergate, the voices they seek to silence are often those of women and minorities.


By Noah Berlatsky
Noah Berlatsky is the author most recently of "Chattering Class War: Punching Pundits from Brooks to Breitbart and Chait to Chapo."
September 13 at 6:00 AM

Bounding into Comics made an article debunking each claim (Archive: https://archive.fo/Ej2r5):
The Washington Post Wades Into Comicsgate With Attack on Free Speech and Outright Lies
John F. Trent September 13, 2018 Comic Culture

Oh no, The WaPo is so relevant these days the CG movement is certainly doomed! Help us, ghost of Hitler!

 

[Peace and Harmony]

Media historians will look back on this moment and wonder why a multiple Pulitzer prize winning newspaper that exposed one of the biggest and most important scandals in the country's history is now reporting on a guy who makes phone camera videos aimed at his groin making fun of fat women while eating Burger King.

 

[Starscreams Cape]

Media historians will look back on this moment and wonder why a multiple Pulitzer prize winning newspaper that exposed one of the biggest and most important scandals in the country's history is now reporting on a guy who makes phone camera videos aimed at his groin making fun of fat women while eating Burger King.

Reminds me of Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, when Indy is bluffing about Marcus Ravenwood's skills at blending into native culture. Smash cut to him looking confused and like the world's most obvious tourist.

"Zach is the most dangerous man in the history of comics!"

Cut to a shaky image of a dude's pair of cargo shorts and a whopper wrapper in an old beater car.

 

[Water-T]

Oh, and I think they may draw their knives of John Byrne next. While I personally find the man's personality repugnant, I am able to separate the art from the artist and recognize his contributions to the medium unlike SJWs. I'm a fan of his work Uncanny X-Men and Fantastic Four, and nothing Marvel has done with She-Hulk in the last few years comes close to what he did.

Considering that he created two of the most famous and well liked gay characters (Northstar for Marvel and Det. Maggie Sawyer for DC), and elevated Sue Storm from "useless window dressing" to "badass mom who can single handedly take down Wolverine in seconds", you'd think that SJWs would be lining up to suck Bryne's dick.

 

[RockVolnutt]

Media historians will look back on this moment and wonder why a multiple Pulitzer prize winning newspaper that exposed one of the biggest and most important scandals in the country's history is now reporting on a guy who makes phone camera videos aimed at his groin making fun of fat women while eating Burger King.

It's best to discard every article that doesn't bring up sales. Most of the bad ones don't even put some effort in arguing something like "Well maybe the sales would shoot up again if all the Nazi customers stopped!" It's all brain-dead copypasta that will probably contain more Trump references than anything relating to the subject of the article.

Oh yes, it's nice that random Marvel character was redesigned as a minority and we can pretend this will inspire little kids but who are these article for? Normies aren't going to be interested unless it relates to a movie, the anti-CG people/pros already believe this and could've said it themselves which they do, and the CG crowd is going to continue bitching.

If they can't put in effort then why should anyone? I suppose numbers are avoided as the whole thing falls apart when you look at them.

 

[LetterlandMafia]

Washington Post (Archive: https://archive.fo/4gpJP):
The Comicsgate movement isn’t defending free speech. It’s suppressing it.
As with Gamergate, the voices they seek to silence are often those of women and minorities.


By Noah Berlatsky
Noah Berlatsky is the author most recently of "Chattering Class War: Punching Pundits from Brooks to Breitbart and Chait to Chapo."
September 13 at 6:00 AM

Bounding into Comics made an article debunking each claim (Archive: https://archive.fo/Ej2r5):
The Washington Post Wades Into Comicsgate With Attack on Free Speech and Outright Lies
John F. Trent September 13, 2018 Comic Culture

Of course it was Noah Berlatsky. Never has a man with such a large platform used it to have scorching hot takes on meaningless garbage.

 

[damian]

For those not following the Mags thread, she issued a challenge to Ya Boi:

Context:

Magdalene wants @damian Zack to part with some IGG money.

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https://twitter.com/MagsVisaggs/status/1039129829222887424
(http://archive.is/ubvpA)

Zack was smart and searched for a charity that isn’t a scam like Trans Life Line:

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/iron-sights-premium-perk-package-only-150-copies/x/18673996#


For those keeping a score:

Club Comics: Currently bullying an Asian owned small comics publisher.

Comicsgate: Donating $10K to dickcancer research & $10K to youth suicide prevention for LGBT+ people.

 

[Jetpack Himmler]

What are the odds that Mags will throw a tantrum because Zach isn't sending the money to her favorite scam charity though it will go to help prevent LGBT suicides?

 

[AnOminous]

Good on D&C actually picking a real charitable organization. Mags would have probably demanded it go to some shitty scam like TLL. ETA: oops. He actually did do exactly that.

 

[Starscreams Cape]

What are the odds that Mags will throw a tantrum because Zach isn't sending the money to her favorite scam charity though it will go to help prevent LGBT suicides?

Trans people, like minorities, are only of use to leftists if they're victims. In a way Zach's donation must secretly annoy the shit out of them.

"Dammit, doesn't he know we NEED a certain number of trans people to commit suicide!"

 

[Jub-Jub]

Nice gesture from Zach and great idea to research a way better charity, but you just know this will be spun as 'trans-phobic bigot gives money to trans charity after being called out for bigotry'. If he meets his goal he should throw the challenge back in Mags face - ask for a $1000 donation to the same charity. That would rustle some jimmies and Mags couldn't afford it.

 

[damian]

Oh boy this hit piece is bringing out all the big guns:

“Oh right, I should at least attempt to be objective or else the piss babies will get pissy”:

Reminder:

“...If you or someone who has experienced harassment of any kind first-hand...”
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“I won’t accept anything from a MAN, even if it’s the exact thing I’m asking for.”:
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“Yeah I’m not looking for your input only from women in the industry, thanksies.”
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What does this all mean?
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Yep.

Also she went protected mode, probably to protect her narrative:
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[Zaryiu]

Not sure why people are surprised at Gail mocking art that was posted a year ago. She's just that slow. Because she's FUCKING FAT.

She was a proto-sjw decades before sjwism broke out of the internet, that's how she gort her job certainly not on talent

 

[OwO What's This?]

What a cunt.

Wait, what's this?

ffs @asterios

 

[Jub-Jub]

Chelsea Cain's The Vision cancelled before debut
https://www.newsarama.com/41830-marvel-s-the-vision-cancelled-before-debut.html

2 Years to turn in 4 issues of a comic, maybe that's why it was cancelled. Didn't want to wait 3 years for a six issue run.

 

[RockVolnutt]

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What a cunt.

Wait, what's this?

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ffs @asterios

This is the review of Pride they're talking about. Way too long but I don't see the homophobia outside Joe Glass's characters being painful stereotypes. At worst there's Zack saying the character named Twink "looks like every time he farts, three condoms fall out" but he was praising the character otherwise so idk.