SJW Art and Extremes

[scathefire]

Hey Kiwis, I have a question. You don't have to answer if you don't to, but it's just a little thing: How can you write a trans character without stating that they are trans or plastering trans flags everywhere?

I think it would be fair to make note of it in some way as an aspect of their character, but not then obsess over it and give it undue attention

 

[goatD]

Hey Kiwis, I have a question. You don't have to answer if you don't to, but it's just a little thing: How can you write a trans character without stating that they are trans or plastering trans flags everywhere?

Spoiler: bit of powerlevel

im no storytelling expert but i like to have the transness have something to do with the story
in short, in my story- a trans man did something very big and important in his past, and because everyone in his past knew him as a girl back then and refers to him as a girl, and he looks like a girl in all the relevant photos, his cis sister is framed instead

i dont really know how to write it casually when its not plot relevant, but my stories dont have much to do with identity politics so i dont usually feel the need to. u could say all my characters are like... Schrodinger's LGBT... could be trans or cis or any sexuality till it matters and then its proven otherwise

 

[One Man Bland]

I’ve come to notice that because cisgays are so insufficient nowadays, if there’s pride flag headcanon art with gays/lesbians they always need to be trans as well.
Off the top of my head, I really can’t think of one where they were gay and that’s it. Of course, characters that are marked as bisexual don’t have to always be trans, but it’s the unspoken rule that gays need to be.

I guess it’s their way of implicitly insisting that it’s your inclusive duty to find all genitalia attractive. After all, it’s a known fact that each act of thoughtcrime instantly murders over a thousand trans women.

I think it's more that back when concepts like "the progressive totem" were starting to rear their ugly head, gays were some of the first to get cannibalized as they suddenly it wasn't enough to just be gay if you were white and male. Now you'll some times see SJWs throw around phrases like "white gayz" as a derogatory or bemoan LGBT media that didn't have the foresight to include every POC under the sun (often ignoring that there are a lot of minority communities that are brimming with homophobia) Then of course the T conquers all, to the point that you got SJWs throwing the word TERF around to the point that it might as well just mean "person I don't like."

Of course it probably also has something to do with the places these chucklefucks congregate like Tumblr is being overrun with transtrenders and "mlm soft bois uwu" so there's probably also some projection at work. I've lost count of how many "gay" ships I've seen have fangirls turn one character trans so that now they can make that character even more of a self-insert.

 

[madethistocomment]

Then of course the T conquers all, to the point that you got SJWs throwing the word TERF around to the point that it might as well just mean "person I don't like."

I remember this one wackjob tried calling Blaire White a TERF. Blaire White, who is known for being both trans and staunchly anti-femenist.

 

[Valstrax]

I remember this one wackjob tried calling Blaire White a TERF. Blaire White, who is known for being both trans and staunchly anti-femenist.

We did it! We reached peak stupidity!

 

[Big Pretzel]

Hey Kiwis, I have a question. You don't have to answer if you don't to, but it's just a little thing: How can you write a trans character without stating that they are trans or plastering trans flags everywhere?

Spoiler: Powerlevel

I'm a trans, but seriously, I don't want everyone knowing about it. Write them like a cis character. If you want to do a reveal, don't do a "walking in on them changing" or "finding out they have a binder" reveal or something. Just have them say it. In all seriousness, adult trannies who socially pass don't want you to know they're trans lol. No one I know would wear flags plastered like that for fear of being treated any differently

 

[goatD]

Spoiler: Powerlevel

I'm a trans, but seriously, I don't want everyone knowing about it. Write them like a cis character. If you want to do a reveal, don't do a "walking in on them changing" or "finding out they have a binder" reveal or something. Just have them say it. In all seriousness, adult trannies who socially pass don't want you to know they're trans lol. No one I know would wear flags plastered like that for fear of being treated any differently

most trans people i know who wear trans flags all over outside of pride are really young ones who just discovered theyre trans or are putting way too much importance in that aspect of theyre character, once they get over it [whether they realize theyre cis or stay trans but are just... chill abt it] they stop

thats not a v bad chara to write tho, u absolutely CAN make a character who cares too much and constantly tells everyone and wears flags all over, just make sure its evident that its the CHARACTER doing it and not u doing it to em

 

[LucasSomething]

Hey Kiwis, I have a question. You don't have to answer if you don't to, but it's just a little thing: How can you write a trans character without stating that they are trans or plastering trans flags everywhere?

1-Write a good character first
2-Find a non intrusive way to say they're trans (family pictures, old documents, etc)
3-Done

Normal (as in not retarded) trans folk just want to pass and live their lives normally. They gender shouldn't matter at all, and if it does, the audience will never see that character as anything more than pandering.

Spoiler: good example of lgbt character reveal

Deus ex MD has an important character that is actually gay but no one ever mentions if because... why would they? The only way to find out is by invading his apartment and hacking his PC or finding pictures of his husband.

It's subtle, it's makes sense gameplaywise (you explore/hack everything) and it fleshes out the character instead of diminishing

 

[Drunk_Alien]

More like bad recoloring

 

[Amber the Hedgehog]

Normal (as in not exceptional) trans folk just want to pass and live their lives normally. They gender shouldn't matter at all, and if it does, the audience will never see that character as anything more than pandering.

I ‘m going to slightly disagree with this. There is also natural storyline and/or theme reasons that don’t come of as pandering. One comes to my mind is in Catrherine game.

Spoiler: True lovers endind

One of the main areas in the game is a bar called Stray Sheep. Waitress Erica works there and one of the ending you can find out that she is MtF trans. She has a love interest Toby, who doesn’t know so this fact coming out isn’t that unnatural. It works pretty well for the main theme of the game being complications in adult romantic relationships. Other characters are avare about her trans status (she is the main character’s childhood friend) and although they do drop some hints to Tony don’t seem to care much. Erica has plenty interactions irrelevant of her transition as her main point is being supporting and encouraging friend.

I think that somebody being trans should be treated like any generally private info (kinks, detailed medical issues, old criminal history, childhood trauma ect.) and saved for when the info improves characterization, plot or a scene. For non trans example, showing a character being an overly nervous nutcase by them asking ingredients in a soup and then explaining in a painful detail about their allergies of weed, tomatoes and fish. If you wanted you could use trans similar manner. Like a character with victim complex could bring up their trans status when ever they want pity or one up someone. Basically it’s fine to bring trans up as long there is more to say than look we have a trans character (aren’t we ever so hip and cool).

 

[Piga Dgrifm]

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More like bad recoloring

Even dA kids tend to look down on recoloring. Tumblr, what are you doing?

 

[Andrew Neiman]

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Where's Scrooge? Can't we have a 19-year-old, latino, trans, genderqueer Scrooge with green hair and a nose ring? I suppose the Money Bin will have to be full of flavored condoms instead of gold coins, or something.

Edit: re: trans nonbinary black Gladstone Gander, this seems apropos:

However, for all his luck Gladstone has no achievements to be proud of and no true ambitions, as he is incapable of long-term planning. This is all because of that he doesn't have to make the slightest of efforts to get what he wants, as his good luck will just give it to him in the end. He also often do not learn any life lessons from any misfortunes he could experience. This leads him to be extremely lazy; at times even thinking that willfully wishing for something is hard work, and disconnected from the realities of ordinary life.

 

[Trilby]

Where's Scrooge? Can't we have a 19-year-old, latino, trans, genderqueer Scrooge with green hair and a nose ring? I suppose the Money Bin will have to be full of flavored condoms instead of gold coins, or something.

Well at least we dodged that bullet (for now).

 

[EA 549]

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More like bad recoloring

Wow! Now she looks nothing like Rose!
Which was the only reason Pearl was attracted to her!

 

[LucasSomething]

I ‘m going to slightly disagree with this. There is also natural storyline and/or theme reasons that don’t come of as pandering. One comes to my mind is in Catrherine game.

Spoiler: True lovers endind

One of the main areas in the game is a bar called Stray Sheep. Waitress Erica works there and one of the ending you can find out that she is MtF trans. She has a love interest Toby, who doesn’t know so this fact coming out isn’t that unnatural. It works pretty well for the main theme of the game being complications in adult romantic relationships. Other characters are avare about her trans status (she is the main character’s childhood friend) and although they do drop some hints to Tony don’t seem to care much. Erica has plenty interactions irrelevant of her transition as her main point is being supporting and encouraging friend.

I think that somebody being trans should be treated like any generally private info (kinks, detailed medical issues, old criminal history, childhood trauma ect.) and saved for when the info improves characterization, plot or a scene. For non trans example, showing a character being an overly nervous nutcase by them asking ingredients in a soup and then explaining in a painful detail about their allergies of weed, tomatoes and fish. If you wanted you could use trans similar manner. Like a character with victim complex could bring up their trans status when ever they want pity or one up someone. Basically it’s fine to bring trans up as long there is more to say than look we have a trans character (aren’t we ever so hip and cool).

That example was the opposite extreme tho. The woman in Catherine being trans was treated as plot twist, which i guess is better than just pandering but it killed the character because it overshadowed everything else about her. Even those who never played Catherine are aware of her because enough people got offended to make it a "controversy".

What i mean is, making a big deal about a character being trans will either considered pandering or transphobic, even if it isn't. You can do it for sure but you audience will ignore everything else and focus on the gender alone.

Anyway, enough of this talk have some material

Spoiler

It's a bit surprising how little of RWBY i ever seen on this thread, the tumblr fandom LOVES to blackwash Blake.

 

[IceGray]

They certainly like the concept of swarthy savages, even though that's a 19th century racist trope.

From a design point: Wouldn't pale skin go better with Blake's predominantly white color scheme, as her only contrasting color of black is in her hair and clothing details?

Also, if you shaved a cat, they would have pink skin under their fur most of the time.

 

[Horribadger]

Actually, if you shave a calico or tortie cat, they have dark skin under where they had darker fur. I don't know about fully black cats, but I assume it would be the same. They have black noses and toe beans, after all.

That being said taking the fantastic racism victim and making them black is... well, it's very Tumblr. That's what I'll say.

 

[Dymentia]

I don't know if this would fit this thread (or if this has already been talked about), but I found a toyhou.se that has some SJW-like Danganronpa OCs. The designs are really ugly to me. I think it's the noses that make it ugly.

 

[burlap dress]

Actually, if you shave a calico or tortie cat, they have dark skin under where they had darker fur. I don't know about fully black cats, but I assume it would be the same. They have black noses and toe beans, after all.

That being said taking the fantastic racism victim and making them black is... well, it's very Tumblr. That's what I'll say.

from experience of having a completely black cat getting shaved and being black underneath, cats skin usually match the fur. probably 99% of the time, if animal planet taught me right (of course tell me if im wrong)

EDIT: the pink that you usually see, from googling it, is probably the unerlying fleshy tones/blood underneath

 

[StarsCreamInHell]

I don't know if this would fit this thread (or if this has already been talked about), but I found a toyhou.se that has some SJW-like Danganronpa OCs. The designs are really ugly to me. I think it's the noses that make it ugly.

Yeah, just had a look at the designs and skimmed through some of the bios. The Danganronpa games have always been decently diverse (there’s at least one tanned or darker-skinned character in every game), but this is too much, and the designs don’t look appealing at all. Looks like there’s a tranny or two in there as well.