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Shokew said:
I'd like to think if this show was funnier (or didn't try so hard to be or down with some SJW themes, which can be easily picked up on as you go along...), would you rank it higher? I'm confident I would, but that's just me.
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I think it's very confused about what it wants to be. Its comedy stutters in unpleasantly, like "it's been 3 minutes, here's the Groening(TM) humor". What I find most interesting is that the writers wanted Disenchantment to be like Gravity Falls. They were very inspired by the idea of writing a show which has a beginning and end, with stakes, goals, and mystery while still managing to be light-hearted enough for jokes. Instead what we got was Merida, "Hi I'm Elfo", and shadow puppet walk into a bar, for 5 episodes.
 
Yaoi Huntress Earth said:
I had heard about how the show's attempt at showing race relations isn't that well thought out.
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The expert on the "minorities" is a Jane Goodall reference, which doesn't seem like a great idea.

goma said:
I think it's very confused about what it wants to be. Its comedy stutters in unpleasantly, like "it's been 3 minutes, here's the Groening(TM) humor". What I find most interesting is that the writers wanted Disenchantment to be like Gravity Falls. They were very inspired by the idea of writing a show which has a beginning and end, with stakes, goals, and mystery while still managing to be light-hearted enough for jokes. Instead what we got was Merida, "Hi I'm Elfo", and shadow puppet walk into a bar, for 5 episodes.
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It felt similar to the first season of SHIELD, where you get the sense they are stalling for time while waiting for the actual story they want to tell.
 
Can I post this here? It felt good for me to do, either way. So damn good.
Okay, it's not all great - this guy is a bit of a Ponyfag, which hurts him plenty in my eyes.
 
Shokew said:
Can I post this here? It felt good for me to do, either way. So damn good.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=flLEr_sYC-kOkay, it's not all great - this guy is a bit of a Ponyfag, which hurts him plenty in my eyes.
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Besides, Clarence did gay relationships a whole lot better with Jeff's two moms. They just exist, it's not bragged or virtue signaled about, the moms have problems outside being gay and are people first.

Also, is it just me or is this reviewer looking a little TOO into the whole race relations in the show?
 
Yaoi Huntress Earth said:
Besides, Clarence did gay relationships a whole lot better with Jeff's two moms. They just exist, it's not bragged or virtue signaled about, the moms have problems outside being gay and are people first.

Also, is it just me or is this reviewer looking a little TOO into the whole race relations in the show?
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Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy did one but it was for laughs since the then rumors of Dumbledore being gay thing with their Harry Potter parody.
 
Shokew said:
Can I post this here? It felt good for me to do, either way. So damn good.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=flLEr_sYC-kOkay, it's not all great - this guy is a bit of a Ponyfag, which hurts him plenty in my eyes.
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I played this in the background (about half of video) and while I agree with some points, many of them are nitpicking. I personally don't like Steven Universe, especially how the show is pushing it's messages too much, but this show is not really that terrible. Irritating, but not so bad.

About Star versus forces of Evil - again, I'm not a big fan of the show, but I don't find it bad, it's just not in my taste. It's a lot less irritating than Steven Universe. I think the main reason why this show became that popular is because it filled the blank left by Gravity Falls and Steven Universe was on hiatus, so modern cartoon fans searched something to talk about.
I've never seen enough episodes to notice "monsters are race issues allegory" thing... But if it's true... Why every conflict have to be some allegory on modern day US politics? Why conflict in the show can't be just... well, conflict of people of opposing opinions? Writers can take inspirations from, for example, historical conflicts, to write it better and more realistic, but it don't have to be an allegory for Trump or migration crisis or Nazis. Like, Avatar's Fire Nation was inspired by Imperial Japan, but it's not metaphore for anything (at least in orginal series) - show just need conflict. Legend of Galactic Heroes does it wonderfully - show is about space war and politics and how history repeats but at the same time it's as detached from modern real life events as possible.
Or shows like Ducktales and Gravity Falls - they don't need any political allegories. Ducktales are all about "adventures are fun" and Gravity Falls have messages about family relationships, or Mabel being afriad to grow up or "solving mysteries is fun and iluminati triangles are evil". From big studios, I definitely like Disney Channel modern shows the best, they are the most diverse and just fun. Don't screw it, Disney.

(and I'm suprised my post about overusing of Sailor Moon transformation parodies have only one autistic rating)
 
Yaoi Huntress Earth said:
Besides, Clarence did gay relationships a whole lot better with Jeff's two moms. They just exist, it's not bragged or virtue signaled about, the moms have problems outside being gay and are people first.

Also, is it just me or is this reviewer looking a little TOO into the whole race relations in the show?
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Unpopular opinion: I like Clarence, despite it's obvious flaws (i.e.: dimbass MC, ugly art style) so yeah, I can only tolerate so much on how just how forced, dissapointing, and anger-includingly annoying everything tends to come off in SU after too long. It's all just agenda pushing BS.

It's like cartoons can't be simple fun, anymore, in some cases, which comes off kinda sad, really. That's why something like Hilda seems like a fucking breath of fresh air for me, ATM.

Also, here's something more uplifting... Because I needed to do this after what I sat through last night, honestly (I didn't even know this clear-as-day Ponyfag had a page, really - I'm not sorry I posted it, but I don't think I'll be posting anything else from him after learning that.):
And I'm not even a fan of this show, either. I just loved what he had to say on what's here, more than the Ponyfag-troon who's clearly obsessed with SU - plus, I liked how short and precise to the point he is on some things regarding said show (and his clear respect & admiration for it, as well, despite its numerous flaws you and the criticisms you can easily fling at it with a catapult.).
 
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Clarence's advertising made me think the show was about an actually re,tarded kid. And the art style was just godawful.
 
PolexiaAphrodisia said:
Clarence's advertising made me think the show was about an actually re,tarded kid. And the art style was just godawful.
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Now, is Craig of the Creek any better (it is, but since it looks so much like SU, it isn't any better off, IMHO.) - or can't that counter-culture I'm looking forward to not come soon enough? Either way, you're just preaching the choir, at this point. I still think Steven Universe is worse off, due to all the inconsistencies. Don't get me started on OK K.O. - that show looks remarkably awful when it's not in motion 100%.

Bottom line - CN's a lost cause in terms of art style choices, unless this counter - culture I'm going on about hits them the absolute hardest. Even after that, however - that likely won't be enough.

I admit, some of these shows I've mentioned, bad as they do look, I'll admit proudly, actually do have good (enough) writing here or there to keep me interested, at least IMHO (well, definitely NOT SU.). However, that's simply not enough, in the grand scheme of things - definitely so when you have to remember that some of the best shows from yesterear (as much as I'm NOT a nostalgia person...)? They also aimed to look good (besides being mostly well written by majority, as well.), too - something we're definitely not seeing remotely enough of from CN, ATM.

That is why I welcome the counter - culture that comes from CN to hit them the hardest, more than anything. Nickelodeon comes in a close second, as I feel they're not any better off, save for one or two certain they're running into the ground (and are mediocre as fuck, if you must ask me about them, as well.).
 
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OK, I listened to rest of this Steven Universe rant and WTF author was thinking? I rolled my eyes about "this is not good representation!" "show is not progressive enough" things and then it started to comparing show villians to Nazis using Schindler's List fragments. I'm speachless.
Yeah, from what I know, Diamonds were written poorly and without consistency and redeemed too easily, but saying Rebecca Sugar had a "complicated relationship with facism" or "strange fascination with redeeming Nazis especially now, when there is many Nazis in America"? REALLY? I don't like Steven Universe, but it's just show trying to push creators believes a bit too much and with irritating fandom. It's not that deep. I feel sorry for Rebecca Sugar.
I love animation and seeing people like this sharing my lifelong passion makes me feel ashamed of it. Cartoon fandom in few recent years became crazy.
Not suprised author has a thread here.
 
IdaRita said:
OK, I listened to rest of this Steven Universe rant and WTF author was thinking? I rolled my eyes about "this is not good representation!" "show is not progressive enough" things and then it started to comparing show villians to Nazis using Schindler's List fragments. I'm speachless.
Yeah, from what I know, Diamonds were written poorly and without consistency and redeemed too easily, but saying Rebecca Sugar had a "complicated relationship with facism" or "strange fascination with redeeming Nazis especially now, when there is many Nazis in America"? REALLY? I don't like Steven Universe, but it's just show trying to push creators believes a bit too much and with irritating fandom. It's not that deep. I feel sorry for Rebecca Sugar.
I love animation and seeing people like this sharing my lifelong passion makes me feel ashamed of it. Cartoon fandom in few recent years became crazy.
Not suprised author has a thread here.
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More and more, I admit I'm almost having second thoughts about posting that vidya here, even though I do think SU is one of this decade's WORST cartoons, unpopular opinion or not that that is - but that is something I should keep to myself - too bad the internet is so obsessed with this BS.

Like I said, the fact that whoever did this is a Ponyfag troon pretty much fucking invalidates what they're trying to say pretty damn quickly after too long. Besides that much, the video itself could have been a bit shorter, honestly.

I mean, not just for comparison's sake, that Spongebob vidya I posted earlier was more precise to the point. Even if I'm not a fan of that show, either, it was so much more fun and endearing to listen to in my downtime, as well.
 
IdaRita said:
Yeah, from what I know, Diamonds were written poorly and without consistency and redeemed too easily, but saying Rebecca Sugar had a "complicated relationship with facism" or "strange fascination with redeeming Nazis especially now, when there is many Nazis in America"?
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SJWs are fucking dumb. Some of the best anti-racist and anti-Nazi campaigners have been ex-Nazis themselves, like Derek Black.

SJWs are opposed to reforming Nazis largely because they have a pathological need for there to be Nazis because of their severe unresolved daddy issues.
 
AnOminous said:
SJWs are fucking dumb. Some of the best anti-racist and anti-Nazi campaigners have been ex-Nazis themselves, like Derek Black.

SJWs are opposed to reforming Nazis largely because they have a pathological need for there to be Nazis because of their severe unresolved daddy issues.
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*UGH* Once again, all this awesome thinking and we're applying it to a ugly-as-sin cartoon about fucking gay-ass space rocks. Shit like this is why I refuse to believe we're in best time line, just because of 1 or 2 happy occurrences here or there.
 
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IdaRita said:
Legend of Galactic Heroes does it wonderfully - show is about space war and politics and how history repeats but at the same time it's as detached from modern real life events as possible.
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I seem to recall Tanaka specifically basing the Alliance politicians' actions off of those of LDP politicians he didn't like contemporary to the time the novels were written. That, and LoGH's overall arching theme is that similar events to the ones presented within it unfold throughout history, so yes, you are supposed to go, "Does this remind you of anything?" but to multiple events throughout history.
 
Shokew said:
Unpopular opinion: I like Clarence, despite it's obvious flaws (i.e.: dimbass MC, ugly art style) so yeah, I can only tolerate so much on how just how forced, dissapointing, and anger-includingly annoying everything tends to come off in SU after too long. It's all just agenda pushing BS.

It's like cartoons can't be simple fun, anymore, in some cases, which comes off kinda sad, really. That's why something like Hilda seems like a fucking breath of fresh air for me, ATM.

Also, here's something more uplifting... Because I needed to do this after what I sat through last night, honestly (I didn't even know this clear-as-day Ponyfag had a page, really - I'm not sorry I posted it, but I don't think I'll be posting anything else from him after learning that.):
https://youtube.com/watch?v=cYu7Y52iiYIAnd I'm not even a fan of this show, either. I just loved what he had to say on what's here, more than the Ponyfag-troon who's clearly obsessed with SU - plus, I liked how short and precise to the point he is on some things regarding said show (and his clear respect & admiration for it, as well, despite its numerous flaws you and the criticisms you can easily fling at it with a catapult.).
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I find Clarence to be a likable show as well. As for the video, there are some good points though E;R did it better. (He went into some of the creepy behaviors of the staff.)
 
Shokew said:
More and more, I admit I'm almost having second thoughts about posting that vidya here, even though I do think SU is one of this decade's WORST cartoons, unpopular opinion or not that that is - but that is something I should keep to myself - too bad the internet is so obsessed with this BS.

Like I said, the fact that whoever did this is a Ponyfag troon pretty much fucking invalidates what they're trying to say pretty damn quickly after too long. Besides that much, the video itself could have been a bit shorter, honestly.

I mean, not just for comparison's sake, that Spongebob vidya I posted earlier was more precise to the point. Even if I'm not a fan of that show, either, it was so much more fun and endearing to listen to in my downtime, as well.
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I prefer robobuddies video on SU over the conspiracy nutjob everyone likes

At least it brings up points about the story flaws and why there not good than tranny game theory talking about nazis in a fictional show that people ate it all up about everything he said.
 
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