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Also crying "I'm so sowy. I had NO IDEA it was a scam :(" videos when?
Pretty soon, but I have to say, most of them will be legit. Of course these people were just too naive to know about this shit.
And when I say "most", I'm explicitly excluding people like Dawson or the bitch who started all this. THOSE people were definitely in on the whole shilling scheme.
 
I require a tinfoil hat

so looking at this i checked Wikipedia the font of all stupidity and found betterhelp

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BetterHelp

https://co.linkedin.com/in/dannybragonier

betterhelp was then taken over by teladoc in 2015 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teladoc teladoc have the same complaints as betterhelp

https://www.complaintsboard.com/complaints/teladoc-c404932.html but even more interesting is their privacy policy
https://www.teladoc.com/notice-of-privacy-practices/

Specialized Government Functions. Teladoc, may in certain situations, use and disclose PHI of persons who are, or were, in the Armed Forces for purposes such as ensuring proper execution of a military mission or determining entitlement to benefits. Teladoc may also disclose PHI to federal officials for intelligence and national security purposes.

even more interesting than that is who invested https://www.teladoc.com/news/2014/0...owth-and-solidify-market-leadership-position/

these guys https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icon_Ventures now called jafco mentioned in the teladoc funding link who also invested in cyber security start-ups with Google and have investment links to naval intelligence and DOD via proofpoint , Fireye another company invested in by this group were hired to investigate the trump russia link

financial times article about googles co-investment with them https://www.ft.com/content/32e52364-9987-11e3-b3a2-00144feab7de#axzz3UUUYcu2w

full text of the FT article on wikileaks https://wikileaks.org/hackingteam/emails/emailid/69795

some info on funding sources for teladoc https://www.owler.com/company/teladoc#fundinghistory

another interesting article on the jafco funding group https://web.archive.org/web/20171031195014/https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-10-11/icon-ventures-raises-265-million-fund-for-valley-of-death-startups/
 
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The youtubers taking money is not neccessarily the biggest story. The entire reason Better help is probably doing this is to get marketting data on depressed people because they buy more and are more vulnerable. Better help and their parent company Teladoc operate at a small loss.
 
what I really hate is that they are trying to sell the idea of diagnoses to people. like you have to be depressed or sick to need therapy.

you can just be bummed out and go to a real therapist if you feel like you want help. you don't have to be mentally ill, they'll help you out anyway because that's their job and they'd probably love helping someone fix easy problems for once instead of really difficult mental health problems.
 
what I really hate is that they are trying to sell the idea of diagnoses to people. like you have to be depressed or sick to need therapy.

you can just be bummed out and go to a real therapist if you feel like you want help. you don't have to be mentally ill, they'll help you out anyway because that's their job and they'd probably love helping someone fix easy problems for once instead of really difficult mental health problems.

They see potential clients as globs of depressed cookie dough into which they can press their one size fits all cookie moulds. It doesn't matter what is actually wrong with the person, as long as you promise that time in the oven will make them better. But they will most likely end up burnt.

There is a distinction between mild talk counseling and in-depth treatment for explicit mental illnesses such as OCD, bipolar disorder, etc. By selling the equivalent of chatting with your Tumblr friends to unsuspecting sadsacks, you run the risk of exaggerating symptoms and/or improperly treating the truly unwell.
 
Et tu, Wisecrack?
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I really expected better of them. Though, I'd imagine some of the youtubers they approached just didn't do their research.
 
Looks like that dickrider Tonka "FITE ME IRL" Firewater is going to talk about this today because he has been excluded from every relevant stream for being an exceptional individual.
Watch him take credit for everything like he did with mundanematt, also he was offered to go on to the killstream to talk to Jim but he bitched out of it
 
I'd just like to put in my two cents regarding their practices. I'll use therapist as a broad term so I don't have to write out an alphabet soup of certification/degree acronyms.

It's not unheard of for therapists to outright tell a patient that they are not the appropriate professional for them, but this is usually in the case of people who don't bother to listen to or apply what the therapist is saying. You'll see this a lot with kids who are forced into seeing someone after a guidance department recommends it and well-meaning parents go down the list of professionals covered under their insurance until they find someone who is accepting new patients. Same with the more dramatic of personality disorders; they'll tell you about how they're following what the therapist suggests, but will return the next week to wail about the same issues because they are too stuck in their behaviors to actually change. People who will not follow what the therapist suggests are wasting their time, their therapist's time, and the time of someone who would actually benefit from therapy. Another thing to consider is that certain illnesses respond better to certain treatments, like DBT being more effective for Cluster B personality disorders than the traditional approach of CBT.

This, of course, is not how this scam is approaching people they know they can't pull the wool over on.

What also strikes me as odd is that $35/week is touted as more affordable than most therapists out there. While private practices will usually hand you a bill upwards of $100 per session because most insurances don't cover them, there are actual clinics with actual professionals out there for both therapy and psychiatry I know with co-pays as little as $25/week. $35 might be on the cheaper end of payments, but it certainly isn't the deal of a lifetime.

Letting your insurance know about receiving treatment is important, especially in regard to chronic disorders. If your insurance can see that you have a history of issues, they may be more willing to review prescriptions or treatments they normally would not consider to pay for. (Keyword may, however) Then there's the tax aspect, which I don't have enough knowledge to go into regarding deductibles and their ceilings. There are pros and cons obviously, but when dealing with something as chronic and severe as mental illness, I think having your insurance clued in is important. While non-consenting admittance to psychiatric wards may be a huge signal to an insurance provider, it certainly is not cheap in both the short and long term.

Watching Memology's videos were very interesting, though around the 5th video the special effects turned from an alright gimmick to almost giving me a migraine. (An informational video should not look like a teenager's first go at Sony Vegas.) Watching the people advocating for Betterhelp gave me the impression that I could probably recreate the list of talking points given to them by the company. Most, if not all, people shilling this scam barely came off as genuine to me. But, I can see many kids who don't really know what therapy should look like and what it entails thinking this is the real deal. When children are at arguably the shittiest end of the mental health industry, in my opinion, it brings down how important seeking out therapy can be to a person who genuinely wants to better themselves.

EDIT, accidentally hit reply too early: This is diving into conspiracy levels, but Scientology runs a similar style of claiming privacy, though ultimately having literal rooms of dossiers filled with people's history, secrets, and even fake memories they were cajoled into believing happened. Scientology makes use of these dossiers in the form of leverage to make sure dissidents either stay in or stay quiet if they manage to escape from the cult. I don't see Betterhelp pulling an act like this, but I thought I'd mention it.
 
How the fuck did they dig their slimy hooks into everyone so damn quickly?
Youtubers are whores for money and their parent company has a lot of it. Plus add that to the fact that they have more than enough money from people that were scammed into buying the service and you've got an Ourobous of profiting off of people's mental health at their expense.

Looks like that dickrider Tonka "FITE ME IRL" Firewater is going to talk about this today because he has been excluded from every relevant stream for being an exceptional individual.
DONKA NEED NO BETTERHELP. WHEN DONKA SAD, DONKA SMOKE METH LIKE ANCESTORS AND BECOME AS STRONG AS BUFFALO.
 
I just watched the drumr828 video finally and I'm genuinely disappointed with how much empty space and rambling there is. Anyone think it's worth it to stay up tonight, attempt to collaborate all the information I can and just put it into 1 video instead of it being separated all over the internet?
Yeah, the guy doesn't put out very concise videos, and the last several minutes of his videos are just him telling people to sub and shit. At the very least, it's good to see him try and bring up the topic to spread the word. But yeah, he's no heavy-hitter like Metokur when it comes to dragging some ugly shit out into the light for everyone to see.
 
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I can only hope that people smarter than Warski will be going after them. He's... just not... look... We need to talk about Andy.
Andy's a lovable idiot, but with this kind of shit, it depends more on who's got the audience to get it out there.
Keemstar, even though he virulently defended SD's video previously, claims he's contacted him about BetterHelp being a scam. He's pretty much the person with the biggest leverage on Youtube we can hope for right now.
 
I can only hope that people smarter than Warski will be going after them. He's... just not... look... We need to talk about Andy.
I agree, just didn't know that he was doing this since last year and thought I'd share with the farms.
Hopefully someone with a living channel and hasn't made a complete sped of themselves covers it. Memeology 101 did good but it isn't enough. I'm sure Phillip D will talk about when he gets called out on and it's brought to his attention, not cause he generally feels bad but so he doesn't lose that sweet sweet paypiggy money.
 
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I know everyone has been giving Andy the sped pass for being a sped, but... look. I dunno if Ralph at least keeps up the pressure tonight on the Killstream that will be a lot better. Andy can barely get two stuttering words out without giggling because he thought of a funny cat picture he saw 5 months ago or whatever.
 
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