Diseased #Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[RockVolnutt]

Well, there's the various incarnations of the Cheetah, who makes Mola Ram feel as funny as Mola Ram's Halloween avatar is making a bunch of you feel. But my favorite would be ... Egg Fu:

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I rather suspect he wouldn't fly in 2018.

Late but Egg Fu still exists and has been making appearances. Mostly as a side character in Harley Quinn. The stereotypical Asian face was dropped though.

 

[SiccDicc]

Late but Egg Fu still exists and has been making appearances. Mostly as a side character in Harley Quinn. The stereotypical Asian face was dropped though.

Sure, take one more thing from the Asian people. It's not like they're considered white or anything.

 

[KimCoppolaAficionado]

Sure, take one more thing from the Asian people. It's not like they're considered white or anything.

He's still Chinese, he just doesn't have a glowering Fu Manchu (being basically a bunch of goo in a robot suit) and no longol talk like outlageously offensive steleotype.

 

[SiccDicc]

He's still Chinese, he just doesn't have a glowering Fu Manchu (being basically a bunch of goo in a robot suit) and no longol talk like outlageously offensive steleotype.

How am I supposed to know if he doesn't act like it?

 

[Steamboat_Bill]

This, sadly, is rather true. There are exceptions to this... but they're firmly outside of the capeshit genre ('Love and Rockets' and 'Strangers in Paradise' come to mind for me).

Strangely, I don't see anyone on either side of CG pointing out books like Terry Moore's bibliography or the Hernandez Brothers' magnum opus as examples of books with genuine diversity and themes that would otherwise be classified as socjus pandering. Much less other comics/graphic novels, like 'Fun Home' (which has a hugely popular Broadway musical adaptation), 'Persepolis', Rana Telegmeier's entire bibliography (which outsells capeshit by a huge margin), 'American Born Chinese', 'Saga', etc. Even 'Meg, Mogg, & Owl', ffs. I guess if it's not capeshit, it doesn't fit either narrative.

And really, that's what this largely boils down to: cape comics are the big genre when it comes to Western comics, ergo the socjus types believe that crowbarring their ideology into it will do... something. They don't see the forest for the trees, and don't lift up the creators and titles that actually check off all the boxes next to their demands. And the pro-CG crowd aren't pointing these aforementioned titles out as good examples of what the comics medium is capable of and encouraging them to do what they're doing: make/crowdfund their own comics with the stories they want to see.

The anti-CG side occasionally mentions books like that, but I doubt anyone on the pro-CG side would be caught reading those books.

 

[Capsaicin Addict]

Strangely everyone forgets that Spider-Woman had quite a Media presence and even her own Saturday morning cartoon.

Here’s the gods honest truth regarding female Super Hero books. It is next to impossible to have a long term success with a solo book, because you are greatly limited in the lack of horrible things you can do to the main character. You can’t abuse a female character in the ways you can a male. Which tends to restrict the drama over time. Wonder Woman has really been the lone standout. For most other successful female led solo books you either need humor, or targeting a much younger demographic. Otherwise you end up with things like Captain Marvel’s Seven Relaunches in Five Years because they can’t hit basic sales thresholds.

Meanwhile, those goddamn relaunches get glowing press while decent books continue to be ignored.

I've talked before about how goddamn autistic scans_daily is, but at least they introduced me to Astro City, which is actually pretty good -- but I'd never even HEARD of it prior to s_d posting some scans of the comic.

 

[Stab You in the Back]

The anti-CG side occasionally mentions books like that, but I doubt anyone on the pro-CG side would be caught reading those books.

I love Terry's art and have bought his books before, but he strikes me as a Dan Harmon-esque feminist in that he's so aggressively pro-woman that you can't help but think he has a mountain of (female) skeletons in his closet.

 

[You Promised]

Some GamerGaters are worked up over Erik Larsen's Savage Dragon #236 with an accusation of child pornography.

Here's the panel in question:

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Drawn pornography of minors is likely to be illegal in certain countries like Canada, Australia, New Zealand, France, and others:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_status_of_drawn_pornography_depicting_minors

One Redditor claims: "... Which means that Erik Larson is now officially a distributor of child porn, as is Comixology & Image."

Full page for context:

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Another Redditor points out that the TV predicts events 2 panels ahead (if only the baby didn't crash through the wall): "... the frames on the TV sort of mirror the panels of the two dragon kid’s fighting, so I feel like there’s supposed to be some subtle connection, there (and the black-skin dragon kid’s face makes it look like he’s noticed the similarities, and is grossed out)."

 

[Jub-Jub]

You know, thinking about this tweet it almost captures everything about current Marvel writing standards.
A bad late, forced attempt at humor (Mark Raid as an exterminator is at least pun worthy), ZaNiNeSs, self and companion validation ending with go educate yourself

 

[RodgerDodger]

The anti-CG side occasionally mentions books like that, but I doubt anyone on the pro-CG side would be caught reading those books.

Why? Terry Moore is a legend. Yes Pro-GG is largely fans of the Cape Shit that they grew up with. That doesn't mean that they don't know of or even occasionally like examples of the medium being used for other genres. Heck that is the proper path for growth of the industry.

 

[Least Concern]

Some GamerGaters are worked up over Erik Larsen's Savage Dragon #236 with an accusation of child pornography.

While inarguably in bad taste (especially as a C&H fan), I think it's quite hyperbolic to call that "child pornography." What makes porn porn is that it was specifically created for salacious purposes - masturbation fuel - and it's a pretty big stretch to say that that's the artist had when creating that drawing, or that the general public would be able to use it for that purpose. For example, the appearance of Bruce Wayne's little sidekick in that recent Batman book isn't pornography either.

Full page for context:

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Yeah… I still have no idea what's going on there. Can someone explain it? Who are these characters?

 

[MidUSA]

Yeah… I still have no idea what's going on there. Can someone explain it? Who are these characters?

"Forget it, Jake. It's Chinatown '[current year] Savage Dragon'"

 

[Mola Ram]

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You know, thinking about this tweet it almost captures everything about current Marvel writing standards.
A bad late, forced attempt at humor (Mark Raid as an exterminator is at least pun worthy), ZaNiNeSs, self and companion validation ending with go educate yourself

Mark Waid is so staggeringly ignorant of the law (he tortiously interfered with a contract and bragged about doing so on Twitter) that he probably "has his hair blown back" by a lawyer who managed to sit the bar exam without gouging his own eyes out with a #2 pencil.

 

[damian]

While inarguably in bad taste (especially as a C&H fan), I think it's quite hyperbolic to call that "child pornography." What makes porn porn is that it was specifically created for salacious purposes - masturbation fuel - and it's a pretty big stretch to say that that's the artist had when creating that drawing, or that the general public would be able to use it for that purpose. For example, the appearance of Bruce Wayne's little sidekick in that recent Batman book isn't pornography either.

Have you read [current year] Savage Dragon? It's become Erik's spank fuel, just take a look:

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Spoiler: Bonus Cringe

 

[Mola Ram]

Have you read [current year] Savage Dragon? It's become Erik's spank fuel, just take a look:

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... ho. Lee. Fuk.

This is straight up pornography.

 

[damian]

... ho. Lee. Fuk.

This is straight up pornography.

It isn't porn completely.......yet:

 

[Capsaicin Addict]

Have you read [current year] Savage Dragon? It's become Erik's spank fuel, just take a look:

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What the shit? I can remember back when Savage Dragon was over the top goofy, but it was never outright pr0n. When did Larsen decide he'd rather draw fapbait?

 

[Krokodil Overdose]

... ho. Lee. Fuk.

This is straight up pornography.

And the art's not good enough to be fappable. It's like the asian lady (his wife, I think?) is drawn as pie-faced and boyish as possible.

 

[Hatoful Dandy]

It's a good thing Anti-CG doesn't read comics, otherwise Larsen's gonna have some 'splainin' to do...

Or they're biding their time to declare him problematic and claim his head in the name of progress.

 

[SiccDicc]

And the art's not good enough to be fappable. It's like the asian lady (his wife, I think?) is drawn as pie-faced and boyish as possible.

I think I remember a tear down of this page, too. Basically how the anatomy is borked and the face looks like she's had a stroke.

Of course I could easily have gotten this mixed up with a webcomic. That's how bad the art is.