Zoosadist Zoosadism Megathread - Joshua "Kero the Wolf" Hoffman & Friends.

[stupidpieceofshit]

If anything, the sex-positivity went too far. Not only what caused this, though. I think it’s part coincidence, part echo chamber. There’s no doubt even bigger zoosadist and pedo rings on the dark web that has no relation to furries. Seems like the furry ones are merely the ones who get caught because they can’t be fucked to use the right means of secrecy.

I don't think it is coincidence, between hyper sex positivity and hyper tolerance (i.e. no line of "this is totally wrong/fucked up"), they as a group have allowed these things to fester and grow in their community at lease partly in the open.

The reason why they got caught is that there is no shame, no "we need to hide this or we will be in bad shit with the community", they didn't feel the need to really hide it, unlike most other deviant fetishes/acts where they will be shunned by the community as a whole or even outright subjected to vigilante justice. They knew the furry community (as a whole) would protect them/not ex communicate them. Yes you have a few who will call them out but the indifference or "We are your allies" group far outnumbers the ones calling them out.

 

[Reynard]

I don't think it is coincidence, between hyper sex positivity and hyper tolerance (i.e. no line of "this is totally wrong/fucked up"), they as a group have allowed these things to fester and grow in their community at lease partly in the open.

The reason why they got caught is that there is no shame, no "we need to hide this or we will be in bad shit with the community", they didn't feel the need to really hide it, unlike most other deviant fetishes/acts where they will be shunned by the community as a whole or even outright subjected to vigilante justice. They knew the furry community (as a whole) would protect them/not ex communicate them. Yes you have a few who will call them out but the indifference or "We are your allies" group far outnumbers the ones calling them out.

Oh, I didn’t mean that the hyper tolerance wasn’t from hyper positivity. I meant that this shit is much bigger and it’s far more than just furries. Furries are just idiots who don’t bother using the dark web to do this shit like someone smart would.

As for furries protecting them, the majority seems to want the bloody pulp of whatever might have been their heads on a pike from what I’ve seen. The ones defending them have been getting shit on not only by furries, but the entire internet as well, as they should.

 

[mildly_miffed_69]

Oh, I didn’t mean that the hyper tolerance wasn’t from hyper positivity. I meant that this shit is much bigger and it’s far more than just furries. Furries are just idiots who don’t bother using the dark web to do this shit like someone smart would.

As for furries protecting them, the majority seems to want the bloody pulp of whatever might have been their heads on a pike from what I’ve seen. The ones defending them have been getting shit on not only by furries, but the entire internet as well, as they should.

honestly? based on what i've learned on KF (and how disturbingly connected and extensive these zoophilia rings happen to be), i think we ought to be the most weary of people trying to push apathy toward these developments.

zoos with an actual stake might be more inclined to write it off as simple "drama" so people instinctively avoid it.

defending them would be too obvious; this is usually reserved for only the most inept furries, i feel.

 

[stupidpieceofshit]

Oh, I didn’t mean that the hyper tolerance wasn’t from hyper positivity. I meant that this shit is much bigger and it’s far more than just furries. Furries are just idiots who don’t bother using the dark web to do this shit like someone smart would.

As for furries protecting them, the majority seems to want the bloody pulp of whatever might have been their heads on a pike from what I’ve seen. The ones defending them have been getting shit on not only by furries, but the entire internet as well, as they should.

Yes the zoo shit isn't just in furry communties, but the population at large find it sick behavior and will shame and possibly lock up any one who does it. The Furry community was/is way more accepting of it.

The Community allowed it to happen in the "open"(e.g. not using TOR, being open about it among furries, etc), vs "behind close doors", via their hyper tolerance and hyper positivity. Unlike if it was a non furry who did zoo shit (and the "cub porn") which would be "behind closed and locked doors". It was accepted (even if to a degree) in the community at large.

The community gave zoos (and worse) a shield to protect them self from the larger population, allowing them to hide in their ranks, instead of purging these members the community was worried about "how if we admit this is an issue it will make us look bad" vs "we need to get these people out for the sick shit they do, and keep our ranks 'pure'".

The furry community is also used to being shit on by the internet at large, before Bronies furries were the butt monkeys of the internet mostly because they would force their "fandom" down people's throat (Much like why Bronies became hated at their height). The internet shitting on them isn't going to change Furries, it needs to come from the inside, and the past attempts before never ended up doing anything for change.

 

[PlaceboLizard]

i think i might be an outlier with this opinion (at least on KF), but i don't think open sexuality is the problem here. honestly, it's probably one of the only factors in the furry community that keeps a lot of them from hurting themselves or others; nothing wrong with sex (eg: not raping animals or children), even if it's fucking bizarro-sex.

i do agree it shouldn't be the centerpiece of their existence, but an outlet is an outlet. and in a community of misfits, you want that energy going somewhere. if the ultimate result is a lotta used Kleenex, so be it.

furries definitely have to stop it with the "total-acceptance" shit, however; there has to be a reasonable level of kinkshaming present (like don't display your fetish in public, don't rape animals/children, etc), otherwise you get a situation like the zoosadism fiasco. better believe this behavior is more wide-spread than just the few people implicated in those leaks, but sex-positivity on its own did not cause this.

While I can definitely understand seeing their average behavior as a compromise between the subject of this thread and something healthy, everything that they do harms themselves and others. Even if HIV weren't at such epidemic levels that they need screening rooms at MFF, the only reason to actually go out and have the "sex" is confusion and insecurity. It's already a mental shortcut, so why wouldn't people further down the hole just carry the abstractions that sustain it a bit farther? Sex positivity absolutely caused this.

Take a serious look at the people who have "sex" at conventions. Look at how they post about it, their mannerisms, and the nervous narcissistic sexual energy around them. These aren't people who just saw someone really attractive and couldn't control themselves; they're there to live out the roles that they reinforce with their pornography. Before they hit puberty, these people expressed their energy through the sorts of creative works that the rest of the autistic part of the internet are known for: fanfiction, webcomics, and OCs. Most of what they create now is just a sexualized version of that, with the caveat that a part of the broader LGBT "community" is attached that only sticks around for porn/"sex" and doesn't share that history or psychology. If the kinkshaming isn't as high as physically possible, you're inevitably going to see this downward momentum.

 

[Nasty]

Wait, am I to understand that one of the "petting zoos" was found and it belongs to one of the owners of Bad Dragon?
(It's not the same one as the one I talked about, it's in a different area. There's at least one more out there)

Bad Dragon and it’s founders are absolutely a bunch of zoophiles. I don’t know of any actual seriously organized “petting zoo” with animals at cons, but their hands are definitely dirty.

I would like to elaborate more on these things, but I try to play my cards close to my chest.

 

[PlaceboLizard]

I don't think it is coincidence, between hyper sex positivity and hyper tolerance (i.e. no line of "this is totally wrong/fucked up"), they as a group have allowed these things to fester and grow in their community at lease partly in the open.

The reason why they got caught is that there is no shame, no "we need to hide this or we will be in bad shit with the community", they didn't feel the need to really hide it, unlike most other deviant fetishes/acts where they will be shunned by the community as a whole or even outright subjected to vigilante justice. They knew the furry community (as a whole) would protect them/not ex communicate them. Yes you have a few who will call them out but the indifference or "We are your allies" group far outnumbers the ones calling them out.

They got caught because other animal rapists threw them under the bus. Don't forget that.

 

[s0mbra]

Interesting you bring them up. Bad Dragon was founded on cocaine and zoo money. Its founder was known to have deep zoo connections, and the staff are very pro-zoo. Enough reason for a boycott, besides, you know, the whole plastic horse cock thing.

Any actual source on that? Every time I hear a "bad dragon" story it's crazier and crazier but never any actual sources

 

[TheWatchfulFurfag]

Any actual source on that? Every time I hear a "bad dragon" story it's crazier and crazier but never any actual sources

Shane Alexander claims it in the archived livejournal posts earlier. The second one mentions it even more

https://shanealexander.livejournal.com/718.html was archived at http://archive.is/MMvEn

http://shanealexander.livejournal.com/2169.html was archived at http://archive.is/tpcDl

the vivisector link is dead in archive.is and waybackmachine however, but both live journals were archived.

 

[BillyGoat2]

Shane Alexander claims it in the archived livejournal posts earlier. The second one mentions it even more

while i appreciate quoting my post, i dont think that is the type of source he is looking for.

 

[TheWatchfulFurfag]

while i appreciate quoting my post, i dont think that is the type of source he is looking for.

He mentions people in BD are involved. This is a source. BD perpetually has these kinds of rumours surrounding them.

 

[stupidpieceofshit]

They got caught because other animal rapists threw them under the bus. Don't forget that.

The cynical political minded side of me is saying it is to divert attention from "plain old" zoophilia or the group we are now looking at was starting to get dirt on the leaking group, and did this to kill off the threat.

The community still let it fester, knew it was happening to some degree (e.g. Allison Reed/javachickn), even with big names in the community being associated with it before this round of leaks, but the community as a group stay silent. Even now we still see indifference or even support for those that are linked to zoosadism and zoophilia with damning evidence. This is the pot calling the kettle black at "best".

 

[AnOminous]

Any actual source on that? Every time I hear a "bad dragon" story it's crazier and crazier but never any actual sources

The most unbelievable story I could imagine about BD is them not being involved in some twisted, sick ass shit.

 

[Reynard]

He mentions people in BD are involved. This is a source. BD perpetually has these kinds of rumours surrounding them.

Rumors circulate despite however much evidence there may or may not be. The stories are currently entirely anecdotal, and you can’t take that at face value. I think that’s what this person meant when they said that there’s never proof. Someone’s word isn’t hard evidence. I’m not saying this is false, as it could be true, but there’s nothing to go off of other than rumors from a fandom that creates more drama than a celebrity gossip magazine can fit into one issue.

 

[Jarilo182]

Rumors circulate despite however much evidence there may or may not be. The stories are currently entirely anecdotal, and you can’t take that at face value. I think that’s what this person meant when they said that there’s never proof. Someone’s word isn’t hard evidence. I’m not saying this is false, as it could be true, but there’s nothing to go off of other than rumors from a fandom that creates more drama than a celebrity gossip magazine can fit into one issue.

Varka's ex and the dolphin was released on video all over the Internet, that part can't be refuted. Varka does 100% openly associate with zoos, although I'm more concerned with EE's open animal abuse on their site.

 

[Reynard]

Varka's ex and the dolphin was released on video all over the Internet, that part can't be refuted. Varka does 100% openly associate with zoos, although I'm more concerned with EE's open animal abuse on their site.

So, any source or evidence of that? Again, I’m not doubting you, but if at least like some screen caps or something. Something to convince me this is real. If so, is that an ex he still communicated with afterwards or if he knew this shit about the ex? I want some context is all.

 

[Jarilo182]

So, any source or evidence of that? Again, I’m not doubting you, but if at least like some screen caps or something. Something to convince me this is real. If so, is that an ex he still communicated with afterwards or if he knew this shit about the ex? I want some context is all.

http://fantasytoymasterlist.tumblr.com/baddragon
http://cannedcowboy.tumblr.com/post/100705389101/what-the-dick-about-bad-dragon

Good, in-depth read about that incident and several others.

Archives:
http://archive.is/al50M
http://archive.fo/0FpQb

 

[BillyGoat2]

Varka's ex and the dolphin was released on video all over the Internet, that part can't be refuted. Varka does 100% openly associate with zoos, although I'm more concerned with EE's open animal abuse on their site.

wait...Varka's Ex...Dolphin, Beastiality...Do you mean Athus?
While he was a co-owner of bad dragon according to his FA page, he was butt buddies with Narse not Varka.

That being said the Dolphin video with Athus is real.

 

[Tigerwatch]

I just noticed this...
Why are the degenerate furries always have a dog-like fursona and never cats, horses, deer, and etc?

So many fursonas are dogs or cats, other canids and felines, because they've already developed a preference and emotional attraction towards them from having pets. So many zoophiles are attracted to dogs (I may even call dogs the go-to bestiality victims) most likely due to in addition to the normal emotional connection people make with their pets, they also developed sexual feelings as well. @Nasty pointed out most of them are victims of child sexual abuse, so their perceptions of attraction became skewed and they are unable to differentiate between platonic and sexual feelings. Jokes about having dogs lick peanut butter off of you are pretty common as well, so I don't doubt they tried that as a horny teenager and it all went downhill from there. Their fursonas are dogs because they want to fuck dogs, like how SnakeThing's fursona is part snake and CrusaderCat's fursona is a cat. Cats are smaller, less obedient, and don't do things like hump your leg so they're a far less attractive subject (in addition to the barbed tongues...)

i think i might be an outlier with this opinion (at least on KF), but i don't think open sexuality is the problem here. honestly, it's probably one of the only factors in the furry community that keeps a lot of them from hurting themselves or others; nothing wrong with sex (eg: not raping animals or children), even if it's fucking bizarro-sex.

i do agree it shouldn't be the centerpiece of their existence, but an outlet is an outlet. and in a community of misfits, you want that energy going somewhere. if the ultimate result is a lotta used Kleenex, so be it.

furries definitely have to stop it with the "total-acceptance" shit, however; there has to be a reasonable level of kinkshaming present (like don't display your fetish in public, don't rape animals/children, etc), otherwise you get a situation like the zoosadism fiasco. better believe this behavior is more wide-spread than just the few people implicated in those leaks, but sex-positivity on its own did not cause this.

It's the same shit as how there are so many altfurs around now. Only the ones that are completely braindead have icons of their fursona in an SS uniform and post about their support for gassing Jews publicly. If someone says something possibly hinting they spend their time talking about ethnic cleansing in Discord servers, they are defended by hoards of people preaching tolerance. Of course, it also went to the other extreme although they both stem from the same problem: instead of looking deeper into these people, they are declared as innocent or guilty without a second thought.

After all, it's just a drawing! Who cares if that dog looks suspiciously similar to their pet dog? Their dog isn't neutered either? Well, they probably breed him. No need to be suspicious; we're all friends here!

 

[HeraldofNurgle]

Kind of makes you a piece of shit if you won't even stand by your family members when they have problems, but okay.

Family members having problems = drug addiction, mental illness, relationship problems, financial problems, ect

Molesting my kids? I don't care who you are, you will die. People who hurt willingly children for their own sexual gratification do not deserve to live in my opinion.

Anyway my previous post was deleted for foolishly thinking the police will do anything about this. I am just too optimistic, so I will not be holding on to that anymore. Is there actually anything that can be done besides someone actually going vigilante on them? It really sucks that they will be getting away with it and being accepted still in the community.

Cats are smaller, less obedient, and don't do things like hump your leg so they're a far less attractive subject (in addition to the barbed tongues...)

Cats will also rip you to pieces and cause some serious damage, hence why they are less likely to be used. You do not want a creature that is sharp on five ends anywhere near your genitals. Especially when their main attack is to grab on and shred you with their back claws.