Dylan Hafertepen / Dylan Häs / noodlesandbeef / ekigyuu / beefdumplings / California Cow / dylanhasdesign - Gay BDSM Muscle-Bear with Ball Inflation Fetish Linked to 3 Deaths

[Edge]

Women in heterosexual relationships are just as capable of violence and abuse.

I know,I never denied that
But it's far more rare and less likely to be as bad as male abuse

You need to go binge some ID TV if you think women can't be abusive and/or harm their partners fatally.

They CAN be as abusive/harm fatally but it's far rarer than a male doing it

 

[thebigbadwolfie]

How come poly bears get more fame?

I think because it's become such an aspirational model for bears in the last few years - and largely these groups tend to self-select as hotter guys who want a lot of recognition. Hard to really pin-point the reason though.

 

[Android raptor]

I’ve seen plenty of abusive lesbian relationships, although I’m not familiar with the BDSM community, so I can’t comment on that aspect. I would say the controlling aspect tends to take a different form with women. With men, it seems to be more about the overt exercise of power. With women, it’s more subtle.

Hell, we've got threads on abusive women. For example, springtrapp who amongst other things cut her underage girlfriend during sex, and Becky Gerber who more or less did the same thing Dylan did where she broke up with one of her partners because he dared to hang out with his friends, trashed him publicly on the internet for months, only to charm him back into a relationship when she realized she was about to loose her main source of Disneyland money. And of course Vade who psychologically abused her boyfriend until he killed himself.

Seriously, if you want to see abusive women the Tumblr and Beauty Parlor boards in particular have some great examples.

Back on the subject of Dylan, was he the one injecting Jack? Or was it another quack doctor?

 

[thebigbadwolfie]

Back on the subject of Dylan, was he the one injecting Jack? Or was it another quack doctor?

Unlikely to be Dylan - although it isn't outside the realms of possibility - I know of guys who have self-administered silicone. There's been plenty of mention of a guy Joe Quader - the guy who killed himself in September as the guy they went to.

 

[SoRemote]

Unlikely to be Dylan - although it isn't outside the realms of possibility - I know of guys who have self-administered silicone. There's been plenty of mention of a guy Joe Quader - the guy who killed himself in September as the guy they went to.

Actually...

If you check out the N&B newsletter on Angus here:
https://web.archive.org/web/20171202073605/http://noodlesandbeef.com/archive/?year=2017&week=13

Specifically looking at this pic showing when Angus got his Silicone done (NSFL):
https://web.archive.org/save/_embed...ages/46c48306-8fb5-4e3f-b8b7-b8234fd92d9f.jpg

You see: 1) Dylans hand, 2) The fresh injection site.

He was injecting his pups. Which explains why he is running so scared and kept Tanks friends away from the hospital bedside and cremated the body.

 

[thebigbadwolfie]

You see: 1) Dylans hand, 2) The fresh injection site.

Taking it purely on the evidence presented - it's suggestive but not conclusive. That could just as easily be Dylan holding the can after Quader has injected. The surroundings that those pics are taken in don't look particularly like a domestic setting, either. There are only a few people who will really know who did what - Dylan, Quader (dead), the remaining pups - and anyone that was directly told or involved.

I agree that his behaviour post-death is iffy as fuck, but I think that's just the actions of a panicking sociopath.

 

[SoRemote]

Taking it purely on the evidence presented - it's suggestive but not conclusive. There are only a few people who will really know who did what - Dylan, Quader (dead), the remaining pups - and anyone that was directly told or involved.

I know it's only suggestive; its the best I have. I know Dylan performed the procedures, but I have no evidence to back it up, and I have to stay anonymous. All I can do is point people in the right direction and see if people ask the right people the right questions and turn up anything more concrete.

 

[PopcornTin]

Taking it purely on the evidence presented - it's suggestive but not conclusive. That could just as easily be Dylan holding the can after Quader has injected. The surroundings that those pics are taken in don't look particularly like a domestic setting, either. There are only a few people who will really know who did what - Dylan, Quader (dead), the remaining pups - and anyone that was directly told or involved.

I agree that his behaviour post-death is iffy as fuck, but I think that's just the actions of a panicking sociopath.

The whole relationship revolves around dylan controlling them or, in their terms, them willingly submitting their "mind and body" to him. I would think him specifically giving them the injections would be a big part of that submission/control

 

[thebigbadwolfie]

The whole relationship revolves around dylan controlling them or, in their terms, them willingly submitting their "mind and body" to him. I would think him specifically giving them the injections would be a big part of that submission/control

I think he would know well enough that it's also a very risky process, so why take that risk when you can offload it onto someone who knows what they're doing.

I just think too much is being made of Dylan enforcing his ownership of their bodies - there are three other dudes in this setup who certainly don't have the amounts that Tank and Angus have had injected - so regardless of what the "contract" states, it's LARPing, and the sub still has ultimate say. Sure, Dylan could have put pressure on the situation, but I think both Tank and Angus are/were more than happy with the mods and the attention that gets them.

There is a large handful of guys in the bear community getting this procedure - including one or two prominent "alpha" types - enough for it to be something aspirational for guys to get - and plenty are doing it outside of a Master/sub relationship.

 

[💗Freddie Freaker💗]

I know it's only suggestive; its the best I have. I know Dylan performed the procedures, but I have no evidence to back it up, and I have to stay anonymous. All I can do is point people in the right direction and see if people ask the right people the right questions and turn up anything more concrete.

Do you have evidence that you can't post because it would identify you? Or are you just guessing that Dylan did it?

 

[PopcornTin]

I think he would know well enough that it's also a very risky process, so why take that risk when you can offload it onto someone who knows what they're doing.

I just think too much is being made of Dylan enforcing his ownership of their bodies - there are three other dudes in this setup who certainly don't have the amounts that Tank and Angus have had injected - so regardless of what the "contract" states, it's LARPing, and the sub still has ultimate say. Sure, Dylan could have put pressure on the situation, but I think both Tank and Angus are/were more than happy with the mods and the attention that gets them.

There is a large handful of guys in the bear community getting this procedure - including one or two prominent "alpha" types - enough for it to be something aspirational for guys to get - and plenty are doing it outside of a Master/sub relationship.

He referred another fetishist to a guy who explicitly did not know what he was doing and it got him killed. I'm not sure safety and possible health hazards are important to the dude who injects silicone into his balls to look like a cartoon character. I could maybe believe he was having another random person doing the injections if not for his DFE and damage control after Jack's death, specifically the tumblr deletion and the fb posts suggesting it was some lung infection or whatever instead of SES. Everyone knows you shoot up your ballsack! What's the point of deleting all that shit if not to cover up your own involvement

It's clearly not just your average run of the mill bdsm larping when he threatened to (or did?) try and sue a sub for breaking the agreement, aka talking about their relationship and trying to leave. I'd also say it's probably not a typical degenerate pretend slave harem when it's linked to multiple deaths, but who knows, maybe that's par for the course

 

[thebigbadwolfie]

He referred another fetishist to a guy who explicitly did not know what he was doing

I know of one other (still living) guy who has had silicone and knew this Joe Quader - so I'm pretty sure he's done the procedure a few times. It's still hugely risky though, and as far as I've heard - the aftercare is critical.

I would be glad to find out Dylan did the procedure though, really - if only to have someone to hang over this, and maybe discourage guys curious about getting it done.

Definitely agree that it's not standard bdsm, and the threats (carried out) to sue were utterly cunty.

 

[Polexia Aphrodisia]

Please add me to the list of people who can't believe that this babyfaced weeb has fashioned himself into the leader of a mini sex cult.

His face is such stark contrast from his body. It's like one of those carnival photo ops where you stick your face through a hole in a painted wooden picture, and someone's stuck their toddler's face through the hole where the cartoon bodybuilder's head is.

 

[To Infinity And Beyond]

Please add me to the list of people who can't believe that this babyfaced weeb has fashioned himself into the leader of a mini sex cult.

His face is such stark contrast from his body. It's like one of those carnival photo ops where you stick your face through a hole in a painted wooden picture, and someone's stuck their toddler's face through the hole where the cartoon bodybuilder's head is.

Don't worry. You're not the only one, bud. It's a bit ridiculous how a soyboy like him made something like this. Seriously, looking at the pictures of him when he was 'normal' compared to now.. it's a bit pathetic in a way. Especially when you look at his body..

 

[Farmhand Luke]

All these dudes had HIV and accepted being HIV positive as part of this lifestyle, right? It was casually mentioned earlier by someone that they were all "medicated" and listed themselves as "undetectable" (Meaning they had AIDS) but there's no mention of their status in any social media posts or screenshots. Is getting HIV so little of a concern to those in Dylan's circle that they don't even feel the need to discuss the fact them and all their partners happen to have the disease?

While Jack/Tank never directly stated that he did or didn't have HIV, reviewing his tumblr makes it seem like that's something he would have shared. He was close to a guy who was HIV+ and commented about the importance of being honest about it and not being ashamed of it. In that light, and with all the other struggles of his he openly shared, it would be odd for him to have never mentioned that he had HIV.

People in this thread have tried to make of his mentions of HIV/AIDs charities and the asking of donations for such that it means he had HIV, but that charity they're talking about is where Tank worked. In the last years of his life, Tank was working at a food bank for low-income people struggling with HIV/AIDs.

I wondered if there was a big difference in his appearance after he started interacting with Dylan or he was already looking like a steroid abuser.

Looking at his newsletter here Dylan shows a before and after transformation of the pup he groomed to replace Tank, who he called Angus, the name of one of Dylan's furry characters. This appears to be a before and after from before Angus was flown to Seattle, so this is what Dylan put his prospective pups through in the grooming stage. I've also got some pics of Tank from the beginning of their relationship.

Spoiler: Angus and Tank before

Here's Angus's before and after

Here are pics from the beginning/early parts of Tank and Dylan's relationship. The grainy one is from their first in person meeting.

The silicone body mods are a slightly more complex situation - but realistically, again, Tank would have wanted it. If he's a bottom he doesn't need his dick to function for fucking (no chance to change your mind though) - and indeed this would feed into an erotic self-image of being a "big bull designed to be bred" - he would be getting off on that. Did Dylan push it further than Tank would have been willing to go? We'll never know.

Here is Tank from when he was broken up from Dylan, answering a tumblr question about whether he wanted more silicone. He says it's tempting (he does have a macro fetish, after all) but that he doesn't want to get more done because it's permanent and he has doubts.

Spoiler: Tank on whether he wanted more silicone

Tank got back with Dylan like less than a month later, and within two months of saying he didn't want to get more, and during a time when he was publicly talking about doing everything he could to please Dylan, photos appear to show him with a larger nutsack.

In fact, all the images after getting back with Dylan show his nuts getting rapidly bigger, much faster than the previous 3 years. It's not hard to see him as submitting to the body mod wishes of Dylan because not doing so, and upsetting Dylan when Tank was supposed to be on his best behavior, risked losing the affection of the person who had defined his entire adult life.

 

[Hamplanet Fitness]

I think both Tank and Angus are/were more than happy with the mods and the attention that gets them.

Some of the screenshots earlier in the thread contradict this - while Jack did have "bigorexia" and wanted to become a huge powerlifter, he didn't like the silicone and how it negatively impacted his sexual performance.

 

[Tigerwatch]

I'm far from a BDSM advocate or anything, but dude, they reiterate this all the time. If you look at the angry tumblr posts from friends and acquaintances of Tank in this thread, most of those are from people in the BDSM scene, and right alongside all the posts with all the juicy details and screenshots, most of them have long screeds about the importance of consent and boundaries and all that shit. Even when it's not in response to specific cases of abuse, BDSM people are fucking heavy about reiterating responsibility and being aware of the dangers. Here's an example from one of the people who's been heavily featured in this thread—Tank himself:

Spoiler: Tank on the danger of abusive Dom/sub relationships

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Spoiler: Long

That's my point: Tank knew those things, but he still ended up dead from manipulation and abuse of his master. He trusted Dylan and agreed to do everything freely, but it still wasn't healthy and he wasn't in control. Your consent and boundaries don't matter if you're being manipulated to give consent or change your boundaries for the sake of others. It's a false sense of control that only further deludes them into the fallacy their master/abuser wants them to believe.

You can't tell yourself "I am subhuman and exist only to serve my master" constantly and consistently and not start to truly believe it. If you're roleplaying for a few days every week or something, you're most likely not going to internalize it. Being a slave 24/7 or for extended periods of time is not something that is healthy for most people. Being able to treat your master/dom as an equal helps prevent that sort of inferiority complex which is easily exploitable. Being in this kind of roleplaying for extensive time periods is not something that should be considered acceptable.

And I know some other people have mentioned it in this thread, but a person who wants to have control over another human being and keep them as a slave 24/7 is not someone you should trust. A person who trusts and truly loves you should still love you when you're on equal terms. There's a difference between roleplaying as a master and slave in a healthy manner and an explicitly abusive relationship being painted as fun and healthy. Any person, no matter if you're family, friends, lovers, whatever, should not want or have complete control over you. If someone only wants you to fear and obey them, then they do not care about you and only want to use you.

 

[thebigbadwolfie]

Here is Tank from when he was broken up from Dylan, answering a tumblr question about whether he wanted more silicone. He says it's tempting (he does have a macro fetish, after all) but that he doesn't want to get more done because it's permanent and he has doubts.

All we can do is guess based on the available information, which is pretty biased in one way or another. We have no way of knowing whether Dylan directly said "get more silicone" - or whether Tank offered it knowing it would please Dylan. We have no real understanding of the ins and outs of their relationship beyond what has been written by them (and a lot of emerged during the breakup, so it's fairly prejudiced).

Don't get me wrong, I think Dylan is up to his eyeballs in this. He's involved in the death of Pete Dovak, and then very tangentially Joe Quader. The first alone would make a 'normal' person take stock of what they're doing - realise they're exposing their partners to life-threatening risk, and put a stop to it. He didn't do that, but at most that just makes him a shitty person.

If it turns out he personally siliconed Tank though, then definitely he's culpable of manslaughter. I just don't know whether we will ever find that out.

 

[Tragi-Chan]

Don't worry. You're not the only one, bud. It's a bit ridiculous how a soyboy like him made something like this. Seriously, looking at the pictures of him when he was 'normal' compared to now.. it's a bit pathetic in a way. Especially when you look at his body..

I wonder if that’s partly how he suckers people in. Sure, everyone says he’s this monster, but he looks harmless...

 

[AnOminous]

In any case I can't see any way for Dylan to be charged with anything - and the damage to him is already done in that his reputation is the most precious thing to him, and that's now in tatters.

He arranged for illegal medical procedures that led to multiple deaths. At least.

If the below is true, he also personally did these illegal procedures:

You see: 1) Dylans hand, 2) The fresh injection site.

He was injecting his pups. Which explains why he is running so scared and kept Tanks friends away from the hospital bedside and cremated the body.

You can consent to a lot of things although law related to BDSM is pretty patchy for obvious reasons. Generally, you're not going to be prosecuted for assault if you tie someone up and whip them if they were okay with that.

You can't generally consent to things like having your arms and legs chopped off or being murdered, though.