GamerGate Events and Discussion

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Smutley said:
Yes, you do. Gawker, Vox Media, et al, attempted their big boycott of Chic Fil-A because the owner is an old homophobe who publicly states that's what he is. The result was an absolute and total failure because a no one really believed it. They'd gotten high off of Flush Rush, and were trying to spin it off into a well oiled hate campaign and it crumpled.

That event should have been a wake-up call because it was a precursor to today's environment. To say that movements that lack respectability will flourish is absurd. If the movement doesn't have real legs, it's going to fucking fall.
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Gamergate just needs internal respectability. It's been effective thus far.
raymond said:
Gamergate IS the new name, actually.
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Huh. They should've done something to control that name.
 
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Marvin said:
Well, I'm very skeptical because I know the type of people gamergate sources from. Sure, I have fun with them, but I sure as hell wouldn't envy someone who pissed them off, particularly when it relates to things that are important to them. (In this case, video games and women.)

I've been convinced that there are people who genuinely believe in this gamergate stuff, which is why I'm suggesting they cut off a direct connection with the trolls by getting a different name.
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So if Chris legally changed his name to Fred but still kept up his bizzare behavior the Trolls wouldn't be able to find him?
 
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raymond said:
That's impossible to do without control of the media. We've had threats that don't even mention Gamergate get blamed on us.
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And the media isn't under control of #GamerGate. Even stuff like BreitBart or The Ralph Retort is not seen as very effective news media or easily dismissed by the opposition.
 
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raymond said:
That's impossible to do without control of the media. We've had threats that don't even mention Gamergate get blamed on us.
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You could do a lot better job than the current setup. Hell, go for trademarks if you want.
Varis said:
Guhh, I'm so sick of fighting the symptoms instead of the disease. Gamergate is an event or a scandal, not a movement, and we have better things to do than apologize for crimes we did not commit.
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"We" is anyone who associates themselves with gamergate, unless you can do a good job of disassociating yourself from them. Which you're not.
 
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A Random said:
And the media isn't under control of #GamerGate. Even stuff like BreitBart or The Ralph Retort is not seen as very effective news media or easily dismissed by the opposition.
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The thing is that pro-GGers tend to say "look at all these sources that are anti-GG! You're obviously wrong if only sites who lean a certain way agree with you," missing the point that these sites form literal conspiracies on what to cover and what not to.

Perhaps the most shameful of all was their vilification of Christina Hoff Sommers.

Varis said:
Guhh, I'm so sick of fighting the symptoms instead of the disease. Gamergate is an event or a scandal, not a movement, and we have better things to do than apologize for crimes we did not commit.

Some anon came up with a list of more advertisers.
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As much as GamerGate tries to fight it and keep it all about games, people like Sommers manage to use it as leverage to question whether or not people are going about feminism in a way that actually is helpful. The fact that so many men white knight for women says something about the way our culture raises them. Hint: it's neither because they actually believe that much in the cause OR the typical retort of "oh of COURSE you think they only want to get into our pants!" It goes deeper than that.
 
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Marvin said:
If a reasonable group controlled the name, "gamergate", they could disassociate the official movement from troll behavior.
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No, we couldn't, because the trolls would just follow them. It's been said countless times on this forum that if lolcows would just ignore the trolls they would have less problems. That's how you deal with trolls. If new name was made, trolls would think "Look, they're on the run! After them!"
 
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GREEDY FIREMAN said:
No, we couldn't, because the trolls would just follow them. It's been said countless times on this forum that if lolcows would just ignore the trolls they would have less problems. That's how you deal with trolls. If new name was made, trolls would think "Look, they're on the run! After them!"
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Then you say "this is not us, we're the official operators of the name". People would still try to attack you, but having a centralized name is a huge boost.
 
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Judge Holden said:
another got "swatted" due to harassment and doxxing (which zoe quinn openly approved of on twitter) and another got the fire brigade sent to his house.

plus the fact it seems every pro gamergate woman has been sent death/rape threats for the past 2 months.
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Fun post-script to that. The individual involved in the SWAT-ing has direct ties to Chelsea Van Valkenburg (you would know her better as Zoe Quinn - she has at least 2 other aliases), and may have inadvertently exposed some unpleasantness in the anti-GG side of the equation.
 
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Speaking of SWATting among other things, I believe a new "operation" called "Operation Silver Spoon" is to expose most of the LWs as trust fund babies. Valkenburg in particular is very, very Old Money.

Basically, these women spend their time flying around between backpatting conventions and ignoring things like women making up a large part of the working poor because it would make them realize how NOT oppressed they are, and that their financial status has filled in any oppression they would get for their sex.
 
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raymond said:
That only helps if the media reports it that way.

They won't.
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Exactly. The gaming media wants to kill Gamergate because it's putting a huge spotlight on their unethical publishing practices and undermining their ability to monetarily benefit from them. They'll never give a fair shake to a movement that wants to dismantle their business model. The moral panic about "harassment of women online" is just a diversionary tactic.
 
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MrTroll said:
Exactly. The gaming media wants to kill Gamergate because it's putting a huge spotlight on their unethical publishing practices and undermining their ability to monetarily benefit from them. They'll never give a fair shake to a movement that wants to dismantle their business model. The moral panic about "harassment of women online" is just a diversionary tactic.
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That being said, I recently have seen a bunch of conflict of interest disclaimers from some sites.
 
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MrTroll said:
Exactly. The gaming media wants to kill Gamergate because it's putting a huge spotlight on their unethical publishing practices and undermining their ability to monetarily benefit from them. They'll never give a fair shake to a movement that wants to dismantle their business model. The moral panic about "harassment of women online" is just a diversionary tactic.
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Not that there won't be bias, there obviously would be, but if you can demonstrate a history of disassociating official work from troll behavior, that's a huge asset.
 
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Marvin said:
Not that there won't be bias, there obviously would be, but if you can demonstrate a history of disassociating official work from troll behavior, that's a huge asset.
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You mean like reporting troll/doxxing accounts, tracking down that guy who sent death threats to Literally Who 2 (and subsequently getting blocked by her, which shows just how bullshit the "harrassment" angle really is) and the Harrassment Patrol (which I personally think is completely ridiculous)?
 
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