Andrew Torba / Gab (Gab.com / Gab.ai) / Dissenter (dissenter.com) - An incompetent captain sinking millions of other people's dollars.

[TaInTeDtAcO]

Gab already disallowed illegal things. Let's face it, as much of a dumb asshole Torba is, there's a deliberate double standard here given that Twitter doesn't even ban Islamic terrorists and nothing happens to him. In San Fran they talk, and this was likely in the works for some time pending bad publicity like this.

Absolutely, and Andrew handed them a victory on a silver platter. It would have been one thing if Gab was a small site that wasn't trying to gain national attention as an alternative to a major platform, but they were trying to garner as much publicity as possible. If you want to do that you have to put at least some restrictions on the behavior of your users.

It didn't help at all that he's been all over the internet acting like the left's stereotype of an un-hinged right winger.

 

[Harbinger of Kali Yuga]

Absolutely, and Andrew handed them a victory on a silver platter. It would have been one thing if Gab was a small site that wasn't trying to gain national attention as an alternative to a major platform, but they were trying to garner as much publicity as possible. If you want to do that you have to put at least some restrictions on the behavior of your users.

It didn't help at all that he's been all over the internet acting like the left's stereotype of an un-hinged right winger.

What restrictions? As far as I know, any threat or illegal activity was treated properly, at least, as properly as Twitter handles them. The rule was (theoretically) the same sort of free speech you have out on the street.

 

[TaInTeDtAcO]

What restrictions? As far as I know, any threat or illegal activity was treated properly, at least, as properly as Twitter handles them. The rule was (theoretically) the same sort of free speech you have out on the street.

True. But then they were constantly having battles with their users posting things that were causing them issues with their hosting companies. If they wanted absolute unfettered free speech hosting on Microsoft was beyond stupid. Registering their domain on GoDaddy was also exceptional.

Now they're in a the middle of huge media shit storm, and have no ground to defend themselves.

 

[AbraCadaver]

So wait is he still keeping the site down to own the gullible media or what

 

[Destro1986]

They aren't going to sit around and tell competitors which parts of their business model work best. It's purposely vague for their own good.

And your statement that "there's no real way for a social media platform to actually make money" is crazy. Facebook made like $20 billion in profit last year. They're on pace to make more this year.

Sorry I meant "no way for a NEW social media platform to make money" which I expanded on about the needing tens of millions of users (which Facebook far surpasses)

That's why despite how much everyone bitches about Facebook there's no "Facebook replacement" looming or building up real steam; because it costs a fortune, is hard to handle correctly, and it has to become HUGE before it actually turns a real profit.

 

[repentance]

Twitter, Facebook, google, microsoft need some antitrust shit...like right now. Oh and add Amazon to that list.

Remember when they crashed the economy because internet explorer came preloaded in windows 98??

Google has already been the subject of antitrust action in Europe.

https://www.businessinsider.com/goo...MqJfGg6A-HUK8cb3dnP25XQ3_qYpzT8Z50BrUgtPDSiZs

 

[AnOminous]

And exposure is what you need for your speech to be effective. Effective speech is not the exact same as free speech, but it is an important aspect of such.

Again, what is your metric of "merit" by which on should get massive exposure? Because what I'm hearing is that "people I don't like shouldn't have their voices magnified".

I would presume that being a "tech illiterate" would make you more ignorant of decentralized alternatives, for which it would be unethical to morally fault them for not explicitly endorsing. On that note, how does being technologically illiterate stop you from supporting decentralized alternatives, if you come across them? Maybe decentralized alternatives are just really hard to find due to pressuring from mainstream big tech.

Also, how is Sargon a "tech illiterate"?

No collusion going on here at all, folks. Nothing to look at. Just a bunch of independent people independently deciding to independently blacklist some guy.

 

[Destro1986]

No collusion going on here at all, folks. Nothing to look at. Just a bunch of independent people independently deciding to independently blacklist some guy.

I mean. They COULD all just agree that he's a piece of shit and they don't want to do business with him. He seems like a dickhead, so it's believable.

 

[The golden neckbeard]

So what did GAB do again???

Im sure i could find some retarded hate speech on twitter also.

How long before the zuckerburg black helicopters come for kiwifarms??

 

[Ms. Cegination]

How long before the zuckerburg black helicopters come for kiwifarms??

Zuckerberg's Online Garrison has already come for Kiwifarms but it survived because Null can keep a website up under adversity.

 

[Richard Stabone]

For those talking about a decentralized platform, Diaspora sort of did that. If people are really interested in a true "free speech" social networking site, that's probably the structure you need. Not banking on a retard like Torba to pull it off.

Sorry I meant "no way for a NEW social media platform to make money" which I expanded on about the needing tens of millions of users (which Facebook far surpasses)

That's why despite how much everyone bitches about Facebook there's no "Facebook replacement" looming or building up real steam; because it costs a fortune, is hard to handle correctly, and it has to become HUGE before it actually turns a real profit.

Instagram, Snapchat, Discord, Imgur, Snapchat, Discord, Twitch, etc. The game changes fast (ask Myspace or Digg). Practically no one under 21 even uses Facebook anymore.

You're looking for one grand platform to overtake it when social media is becoming more fragmented. You aren't trying to get every single person on the planet to use your platform anymore, you're trying to own a particular demographic (teenagers, gamers, etc).

 

[Destro1986]

For those talking about a decentralized platform, Diaspora sort of did that. If people are really interested in a true "free speech" social networking site, that's probably the structure you need. Not banking on an exceptional individual like Torba to pull it off.



Instagram, Snapchat, Discord, Imgur, Snapchat, Discord, Twitch, etc. The game changes fast (ask Myspace or Digg). Practically no one under 21 even uses Facebook anymore.

You're looking for one grand platform to overtake it when social media is becoming more fragmented. You aren't trying to get every single person on the planet to use your platform anymore, you're trying to own a particular demographic (teenagers, gamers, etc).

I would argue those are either not very profitable (Snap/Discord) or they are funded by larger companies willing to take a loss (IG,Twitch). For instance Snapchat laid off 100 engineers just this year.

But that's true; there MAYBE room if you create your own niche market though I haven't seen one get popular anytime recently.

Who cares what people under 21 do? They're just a tiny piece of the market when the market is the whole world. Facebook doesn't need to get the kids, cause those kids are on IG (which Facebook owns)

 

[Slap47]

I'd just like to point out to anyone saying like "Oh FB and Twitter and Youtube get away with it"

Despite what some media might suggest, the Adpocolypse was caused not by Felix, but because ISIS beheading videos were being shown with Clorox ads (which is good work by the algorithm by the way)

I don't think Youtube's ever released the numbers, but I can only imagine the amount of money they lost because of that.

Facebook has taken all sorts of big financial hits from all sorts of things.

Twitter just doesn't even make any money (which is why being "alternative Twitter" is almost certainly going to fail; it took Twitter like a decade and a billion users to finally turn a profit)

The issue Gab has is that all of these were all big, ubiquitous, and from the regular user's experience mostly pleasant places. Obviously FB has gotten worse, but not that long ago millions of old people were happily playing Farmville on Facebook.

These other companies take the same kinds of hits, but they mitigate it by having policies against speech seen as inciting violence, and at least a modicum of moderation so they can say they made a good faith effort (and they still get called to Congress to testify)

There's a reason that only the biggest companies in the world make any money doing this, and it's because you've gotta have a pile of money and momentum to take those viral body blows.

If Gab had 5 billion in revenue every year they'd be fine.

They only suffered because the media saw the alternative media on youtube as a threat.

Kinda why the weird Spiderman videos were ignored for so long but the skeptics and problematic users like Pewdiepie were hit hard. Kinda why the Paul brothers were left untouched despite everything they've done.

 

[The Reaper]

I would argue those are either not very profitable (Snap/Discord) or they are funded by larger companies willing to take a loss (IG,Twitch). For instance Snapchat laid off 100 engineers just this year.

I actually think Discord does make some money. The have the nitro and are rolling out a games library to go with that, with unlimited access to those games. As a secondary, they one hundred percent sell your data (there are options in the settings to opt out) and that likely ends up in the hands of advertisers. If it wasn't lucrative I imagine they would have given up on the product.

 

[Richard Stabone]

Who cares what people under 21 do?

Advertisers and companies who want a userbase for the next 20 years.

IG is highly profitable. Twitch is profitable to Amazon. Many of those other companies will be sold for multiples of what was invested in it.

You seem to think these companies have to be profitable within a couple years. Or have to be profitable as a standalone product. It's a huge undertaking to build a popular social media platform and get it in the hands of millions. It's a long game.

 

[Destro1986]

Advertisers and companies who want a userbase for the next 20 years.

IG is highly profitable. Twitch is profitable to Amazon. Many of those other companies will be sold for multiples of what was invested in it.

You seem to think these companies have to be profitable within a couple years. Or have to be profitable as a standalone product. It's a huge undertaking to build a popular social media platform and get it in the hands of millions. It's a long game.

Yeah I know. My point is that there are easier ways to make money, with a more assured return, than building a social media platform. And because it costs so much money, and takes so long to turn a profit if it ever does, small, independent social media projects like Gab stand almost no chance of competing with the big boys (which is expressly what Torba wanted)

Oops didn't see @Streetlight Stranger

I mean Discord probably makes some money, but it's probably not a lot. They all probably make SOME money, but not the kind of money that lets you buy your way out of people associating you with extremism.

 

[Scratch This Nut]

Okay. I don't care about any of this boring crap.

Here's gab.com now:

El-oh-fucking-el.

How much do you want to bet this dumb bastard doesn't change any of his site's features like adding a block button and will continue sailing his sunken ship like he did before?

 

[14⚡⚡ weev ⚡⚡88]

I'm confused then. Can you just tell us what the bottleneck is? Payment processing?

That's certainly a big one, nobody can process cards. But no, the bottleneck is competent people who can build communities or make reasonable content. Anyone who has a big racist site ends up working with me at some point, but the reality is that there are only going to be a handful of people talented enough to build a site big enough to get the kind of trouble to need my help.

Richard Spencer seems to have lots of money for tweed blazers and ballrooms.?

He won't after the divorce court gets through awarding his trust fund to the fat Georgian.

 

[ChuckSlaughter]

That's certainly a big one, nobody can process cards. But no, the bottleneck is competent people who can build communities or make reasonable content. Anyone who has a big racist site ends up working with me at some point, but the reality is that there are only going to be a handful of people talented enough to build a site big enough to get the kind of trouble to need my help.



He won't after the divorce court gets through awarding his trust fund to the fat Georgian.

I see. Most white supremacists don't have much interesting to say. As an experiment you could lock Spencer in your basement, naked, with nothing but a pile of books and not let him leave until he has something interesting to say. I'm assuming that this is legal where you are of course.

 

[Scratch This Nut]

I see. Most white supremacists don't have much interesting to say. As an experiment you could lock Spencer in your basement, naked, with nothing but a pile of books and not let him leave until he has something interesting to say. I'm assuming that this is legal where you are of course.

Go to one of Fuckbot's threads and search his posts. Replace "women" with "blacks" and you'll pretty much have the same experience.