Diseased #Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[RockVolnutt]

After reading all the stuff about EVS, I must say that I'm all for comics being free of diversity quota-induced shitty writing but it seems like Comicsgate is turning sour and becoming the gatekeepers they hate. If this keeps up then the comics industry (especially capeshit) is better off eating themselves up and fade into obscurity.

People are into webcomics nowadays, if you think about it.

I mean...it'd be kinda fitting consider EVS has called himself part of the problem before coming across D&C videos which were a wake up call to him, I'd be more surprised if he hadn't picked up any of the gatekeeping practices of his peers. Gatekeeping is not necessarily a "bad" thing, Ethan's dick waving is what made Vox Day screw off with his "Comicsgate Comics" idea but current arrangements can go poorly in the event he ever loses his damn mind.

On the other hand, anyone who mocks a Marvel employee for inserting some butthurt political plot that makes little sense to anyone outside their clique or just anyone who gets them mad in general is labeled "Comicsgate" and if that's not inclusive, I don't know what is.

It's gone sour because pro-CG people discovered there's money to be made from pro-CG spergs, which opened up all those exploitation concerns. I mean, without Kickstarter money, there really isn't anything worth gatekeeping in the 1st place, is there?

The way the Zack GoFundMe is being run is very shady imo, and far too ripe for exploitation.

Yeah, it's really half baked and he needs to rethink how he's approaching the whole thing,

The American Comics industry had to die 1st for SJWs to be able to come onboard it in the 1st place. Right now, I wouldn't be too concerned about Manga/Anime getting infested or whatever, because they're only booming as a medium at this point. Even that little Crunchyroll controversy is really small-fry if you think about it.

Just like politics can't revive a dying industry, they can't kill a healthy one.

We don't have a pessimistic rating so I rated it optimistic because I think "dead" is jumping the gun. It's not medium or genre that's really outdated more than just the current model used. The entire reason those Kickstarters made so much money is because there is a market there that isn't be reached that wants that itch scratched. Now how the industry evolves in response to this will be interesting. It's doubtful the Big Two characters will ever permanently be in some ditch unless something extremely drastic happened. Maybe these new ones but not the originals.

It's kinda silly to say "American comics are dead" in the same breath where Webcomics are brought up, many of which are comics produced by Americans. Sure, it's not capeshit but the blanket statement doesn't really work.

 

[howyadoin]

If the big names in CG didn't do some level of gate-keeping to keep people like Vox Day and his cronies far away from them, they face the prospect of getting banned off YouTube, Twitter, and Indiegogo.

It isn't being an asshole, its being smart.

Understandable, knowing that complete free speech would be impossible (see paradox of tolerance). Comicsgate is reaching the point where they're being as gatekeeping as their opposition, which is being hypocritical.

Is it just me or do we have a bunch of new accounts joining in the last 24 hours?

I wonder if this has anything to do with any Comicsgate-related happenings.

 

[Caffeine]

Understandable, knowing that complete free speech would be impossible (see paradox of tolerance). Comicsgate is reaching the point where they're being as gatekeeping as their opposition, which is being hypocritical.



I wonder if this has anything to do with any Comicsgate-related happenings.

I don't really see it as hypocritical when it is the only viable position. People are being banned from social media left and right. If they don't box out the open racists, they are fucked.

 

[Done]

We don't have a pessimistic rating so I rated it optimistic because I think "dead" is jumping the gun. It's not medium or genre that's really outdated more than just the current model used. The entire reason those Kickstarters made so much money is because there is a market there that isn't be reached that wants that itch scratched. Now how the industry evolves in response to this will be interesting. It's doubtful the Big Two characters will ever permanently be in some ditch unless something extremely drastic happened. Maybe this new ones but not the originals.

Keep in mind that you're talking about the enthusiasts who stayed behind when everyone else left, those are not representative of what the larger fiction-consumer market is like at all. They're the whales that @Ponderous Pillock frequently mentions, and by definition, whales are always, always a minority.

Like right now, we don't really know why Zack is successful. Is it because he is a talented creator who was shunned for his politics? Or is it because he was seen by said whales as a good proxy to deliver their message to publishers that they want less politics in comics? Only time will tell.

It's kinda silly to say "American comics are dead" in the same breath where Webcomics are brought up, many of which are comics produced by Americans. Sure, it's not capeshit but the blanket statement doesn't really work.

Allow me to rephrase: I firmly think the American Comics publishing industry is dead as it stands.

Right now, the value proposition makes no sense except to very seasoned comics fans, and the amount of things that has to be fixed for that to change is simply enormous. The total sales of the entire industry is a less than a husk of what it once was. And the obstinacy of those in charge is only making things worse and worse, because shops are now closing at a remarkable rate, while smaller publishers are going out of business. Those are all hallmarks of a largely dead industry that has been eaten alive by far more agile competitors.

 

[Jub-Jub]

@H3R0N1K were all of those screenshots from the secret CG chatroom? If you don't want to drop everything, have you got anything more that's spicier? Maybe screenshots related to the current 'Cash grab' narrative? Would love a CG damage control freakout if behind the scenes is different to current talking points.

 

[Exceptionally Exceptional]

Still not completely sure the leaks are legit (I generally don't believe anything I can't confirm myself), but even if they are they're completely underwhelming. I don't see "plotting" so much as I see one guy with a potentially massive ego and Jeremy being a suckup, which itself is no surprise. Quarter Pounder loves to suck up to people who get more attention than him and insert himself into the middle of shit.

Seriously, @H3R0N1K if you've got anything else we'd love to see it. Hopefully something a bit juicier than Ethan being self important and Jeremy being a toady.

 

[Steamboat_Bill]

Allow me to rephrase: I firmly think the American Comics publishing industry is dead as it stands.

Right now, the value proposition makes no sense except to very seasoned comics fans, and the amount of things that has to be fixed for that to change is simply enormous. The total sales of the entire industry is a less than a husk of what it once was. And the obstinacy of those in charge is only making things worse and worse, because shops are now closing at a remarkable rate, while smaller publishers are going out of business. Those are all hallmarks of a largely dead industry that has been eaten alive by far more agile competitors.

I don't think it'll necessarily die but there's going to have to be a lot of changes in the way it operates if it's going to survive.

 

[The Doktor]

After reading all the stuff about EVS, I must say that I'm all for comics being free of diversity quota-induced shitty writing but it seems like Comicsgate is turning sour and becoming the gatekeepers they hate. If this keeps up then the comics industry (especially capeshit) is better off eating themselves up and fade into obscurity.

People are into webcomics nowadays, if you think about it.

Ethan appears to just be falling back into the behavior patterns he was in while he was in the industry because that’s what everyone did. Helping your buddies or people who kiss your ass enough, ignoring or attacking people that challenge you even if they’re right to do so, getting petty at times, etc. And not having someone like Zack or Cummings or Ernst sorta keeping him in check by calling his behavior (not specifically him, just kind of a “people that do this, even people I like, need to cut this shit out” call-out) whenever his head gets too big is letting his ego run unchecked. He said himself that it took listening to zack & others for a while before he realized he was part of the problem & tried to be better. I think he’s becoming “part of the problem” again by falling back into those same in-industry behaviors while he’s outside of it. He needs someone that can kick his ass & challenge him that isn’t interested in using their place in CG as a launching pad to make a comic or whatever like everyone else did.

 

[Charlie Delicious]

My eyes rolled so hard, I’m blind. Hopefully Speech-to-Test is working properly:
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Name names, Gail.

Edit: why doesn't CG have it's own form yet? So many cows

 

[trigon]

Update on the 911 tape from Ricks stream last night, apparently the PD doesnt have the tape and now hes angling for the police report that should have been filed following the incident.

 

[AnOminous]

If this keeps up then the comics industry (especially capeshit) is better off eating themselves up and fade into obscurity.

People need to grow the fuck up and move past capeshit anyway.

 

[Starscreams Cape]

Ethan, Ethan, Ethan.

http://archive.is/CALm9

Ethan, Ethan, Ethan, how dare you ...prove in private that you're not a white supremacist?

The only thing thing I've seen is that EVS has a healthy ego. I could have told you that listening to one livestream. In his small pond he's probably justified. Someone has to wrangle the spergs occasionally. Plus if I could draw like him I'd probably swing my dick around a little, too.

 

[Stock Image Photographer]

I'm going to have to go against the grain on this a little. I knew Ethan had a bit of an ego to him, but that doesn't mean that behaving like this even in private is justified. He needs to get some perspective. Like, yes, he is a major player in ComicsGate, but ComicsGate is essentially GamerGate's somehow even spergier little brother that's focused on a dying industry.

 

[AnOminous]

Any of the -gates are pure unadulterated autism and anyone who acts like they're going to be remembered in the history books for sperging really hard needs to get some fucking perspective.

 

[robobobo]

Yeah, dude's just an artist. A good artist, but hardly the central fixture for really anything.

 

[Starscreams Cape]

Any of the -gates are pure unadulterated autism and anyone who acts like they're going to be remembered in the history books for sperging really hard needs to get some fucking perspective.

The option when SJW's invade a past time is to either cede what they are invading to them or get drawn into the mud trying to fight them. It's a real Sophie's Choice.

 

[DrunkJoe]

The option when SJW's invade a past time is to either cede what they are invading to them or get drawn into the mud trying to fight them. It's a real Sophie's Choice.

Even giving in to them there is only so much badgering a community will take before lashing back out at the sjw infestation. Even if you give them what they want its not enough. It never is and apologizing to the faggots makes things worse.

 

[Adamska]

I'm going to have to go against the grain on this a little. I knew Ethan had a bit of an ego to him, but that doesn't mean that behaving like this even in private is justified. He needs to get some perspective. Like, yes, he is a major player in ComicsGate, but ComicsGate is essentially GamerGate's somehow even spergier little brother that's focused on a dying industry.

Honestly the moment I knew he supported centralizing a movement like CG was the moment I knew he was a moron who was going to fuck up. Him thinking he can control a consumer riot that's by nature decentralized is fucking stupid. Zack has more of a claim to this laughable idea, and because he's a normal human being, he's handling it a shitton better too by not doing that and by focusing on his product.

 

[Buck Mullet]

Seems that a lot of creator's are going to be butthurt when CG bigwigs don't throw them a bone and promote their projects because they fucking suck. Even work of middling quality should be passed over until it improves. It's not gatekeeping, it's house keeping. Letting any jackass with a web comic get a plug from EVS would bring down the community. And these creators need to hear honest criticism, including radio silence, if they ever want to introspect and improve.

 

[LateNightComics]

Is that right Ethan?