Deaf Community - "No such thing as hearing loss, just Deaf gain!"

[Paige Matheson]

I am very sorry that you had a shitty experience with the Deaf community. Deaf people experienced that exact same awfulness. In their eyes, it doesn't matter if you're Deaf or not, if there was a tiny thing about you that seemed "hearing," then you are not good enough for their "cult." They won't consider you to be "Deaf enough," as a result they will shun you from the community. You would thought they understood what it felt like to be excluded by the world, and yet there they are, pushing this very same exclusionary behavior on their own kind of people.

I have noticed younger Deaf people, who are in their 20s, tend to be more accepting with ASL, because a majority of them did not learn nor were exposed to the proper ASL during their childhoods. Therefore, they get the pain of being excluded by other Deaf people based on how well they can sign. I highly recommend you to avoid most older Deaf people like a plague. It seemed like the only negative interaction with anything from that community I've ever seen, always come from a very bitter hateful animalistic older Deaf people. Really, look at that hilarious "FUCK-YOU!" crotch slam gif from the original post. She is clearly one of those older Deaf people!

That lady you met is absolutely right, you should keep on studying if you really like ASL. Screw what other militant Deaf people think of you. Do you. Eventually, you will find more level-headed Deaf people.

Do you know that Deaf community is going through the process with "purifying" ASL? What that means, they are eliminating signs vocabularies that use lettered handshape. For example, "dinner," instead of signing "D" on your mouth, you should be signing "Night-Eat."
If they are still changing ASL, then I would not sweat it too much about perfecting your ASL. The ASL by itself isn't truly perfect yet if it is going through the major change.

I will go watch that documentary later, thank you for the recommendation.

Thank you for being so kind!
I’ve got to read up about the purifying ASL thing. It sounds crazy.
I remember when I made a mistake in ASL when I first started, it was funny, but they just wouldn’t let it go.
On my first day, I had forgot my lunch money, and I signed what I thought was “lunch+money”.
I actually signed “Lesbian+Money”, so I signed “I forgot my lesbian money”.
I will admit it was funny, but I saw quite a few V at the forehead (sign for stupid) signs from the Deaf people.
Also, Since you know a lot more than I do about the Deaf community, you should explain the whole being given a deaf name thing, if you’ve experienced that.
Back in the day, I knew a lot of people that were pissed about their deaf name sign they were given.
Also, there is a part 2 follow up on that Sound and Fury documentary, it’s called Sound and Fury 6 years later I believe.
The whole Deaf community, from what I’ve experienced, have the opinion that all “Hearies” are mean.
There is a channel on YouTube called ASL Stew, or ASL Stew Life. It’s two lesbians that are married and have a 9 month old hearing son.
One lesbian is Deaf and the other is a Hearie who terps for a living. They are also Vegan feminists. It is like torture listening to them complain about everything.
They use one handing signing all the time, and I hate it.
They don’t use it just for convenience, years ago, when I first started watching their channel, the one that terps, used to give little ASL lessons in her videos. She stopped doing that because the Deaf community didn’t approve.
But she explained that one handed signing is very popular and should be a thing.
Where I live I barely see people doing one handed signing.

For those wondering what a “Hearie” is, it’s common for Deaf people to refer to hearing people as “Hearies.
The Deaf people call themselves “Deafies”.

 

[Least Concern]

The whole Deaf community, from what I’ve experienced, have the opinion that all “Hearies” are mean.

<:powerlevel:> For a while, I had a job where pretty much all of the clients were not native English speakers. </:powerlevel:> That, plus my own experience with learning second languages, taught me a concept that I think escapes less-experienced people, including many of my co-workers, that's good to keep in mind when dealing with people who grew up outside your own language; namely, subtlety is not something new language learners will be able to handle yet. For example, if someone gives you some food you don't like and then asks your opinion, you will have learned to respond with "I hate it" possibly years before learning to say something like "I'm sorry, but this sort of thing just isn't to my taste."

To put it another way, when dealing with people who can't speak your language at a native level, even besides all the cultural differences there may be, you need to remember that someone speaking bluntly probably isn't intending to be rude or tactless. They probably just don't yet know how to speak any other way. Thus, it always makes me cringe when I hear people describe this or that group of linguistic foreigners as rude.

 

[Paige Matheson]

<:powerlevel:> For a while, I had a job where pretty much all of the clients were not native English speakers. </:powerlevel:> That, plus my own experience with learning second languages, taught me a concept that I think escapes less-experienced people, including many of my co-workers, that's good to keep in mind when dealing with people who grew up outside your own language; namely, subtlety is not something new language learners will be able to handle yet. For example, if someone gives you some food you don't like and then asks your opinion, you will have learned to respond with "I hate it" possibly years before learning to say something like "I'm sorry, but this sort of thing just isn't to my taste."

To put it another way, when dealing with people who can't speak your language at a native level, even besides all the cultural differences there may be, you need to remember that someone speaking bluntly probably isn't intending to be rude or tactless. They probably just don't yet know how to speak any other way. Thus, it always makes me cringe when I hear people describe this or that group of linguistic foreigners as rude.

I understand where your coming from, but when I wrote earlier that I signed something incorrectly that was funny,
I saw a few Deaf people sign that I was stupid.
This is a very simple sign. It’s a V handshape at the forehead.
They could have signed Funny+mistake, silly+woman, but they signed out Stupid+Woman.

Are you Deaf or HH? Just curious.

 

[Least Concern]

Are you Deaf or HH? Just curious.

No. But I'm following this thread since I think the topic is interesting, and what you posted reminded me of my own experiences.

 

[Paige Matheson]

No. But I'm following this thread since I think the topic is interesting, and what you posted reminded me of my own experiences.

Have you ever taken ASL classes online or in a classroom setting?

 

[Least Concern]

Have you ever taken ASL classes online or in a classroom setting?

I think they taught us to sign the alphabet at one point in elementary school, but other than that, no. And, from what I've read in this thread, I don't really want to do so.

 

[Piga Dgrifm]

A personal cow of mine has written a book with this sort of rhetoric throughout: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/37822657-you-don-t-know-everything-jilly-p
(It also tries to tie into Black Lives Matter in a really clunky way.)

 

[Jungle Princess]

A personal cow of mine has written a book with this sort of rhetoric throughout: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/37822657-you-don-t-know-everything-jilly-p
(It also tries to tie into Black Lives Matter in a really clunky way.)

What's cowish about the author?

 

[Piga Dgrifm]

What's cowish about the author?

To start, their other book is about a trans kid. Which is all well and good, but throughout the book, she focuses a lot on children's genitals.

Here's a blog post with a lot of the creepier quotes (from a TERF so a little cringey itself at times, but the point remains):
http://aeroposter.tumblr.com/post/132061537275/review-of-alex-ginos-george

When she received a letter from a kid about her book, she proceeded to sperg out about how it somehow harmed her because she's marginalized and this "threw labor at her" on her blog:

http://www.alexgino.com/2018/02/on-write-the-author-assignments/

Imagine being a child, writing a letter to an author, and then having them respond like this.

This new book, Jilly P, which I am currently getting through the audible version of, was clearly not written for children, but for adults who want to seem #woke. (This goes for the transgender book George too, but to a somewhat lesser extent since there's at least something in it a kid could relate to with the bullying plotline.) Much of the book is made up of forum posts, and what little plot there is is just the main character getting offended on behalf of others, or offending people with very tiny things. Doctors wanting Jilly's deaf sister to get a cochlear implant are portrayed as villainous and like they don't actually care.

eta: Oh, and she looks like this:

 

[Paige Matheson]

To start, their other book is about a trans kid. Which is all well and good, but throughout the book, she focuses a lot on children's genitals.

Here's a blog post with a lot of the creepier quotes (from a TERF so a little cringey itself at times, but the point remains):
http://aeroposter.tumblr.com/post/132061537275/review-of-alex-ginos-george

When she received a letter from a kid about her book, she proceeded to sperg out about how it somehow harmed her because she's marginalized and this "threw labor at her" on her blog:

http://www.alexgino.com/2018/02/on-write-the-author-assignments/

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Imagine being a child, writing a letter to an author, and then having them respond like this.

This new book, Jilly P, which I am currently getting through the audible version of, was clearly not written for children, but for adults who want to seem #woke. (This goes for the transgender book George too, but to a somewhat lesser extent since there's at least something in it a kid could relate to with the bullying plotline.) Much of the book is made up of forum posts, and what little plot there is is just the main character getting offended on behalf of others, or offending people with very tiny things. Doctors wanting Jilly's deaf sister to get a cochlear implant are portrayed as villainous and like they don't actually care.

eta: Oh, and she looks like this:
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I laughed when I read her bio-
Alex Gino loves glitter, ice cream, gardening,

awe-ful puns, and stories that reflect the diversity and complexity of being alive. They would take a quiet coffee date with a friend over a loud and crowded party any day. A former LSAT tutor who never touched law school, Alex can still talk your ear off about sufficient and necessary conditions.

A former LSAT tutor who never touched law school? Yeah right!
I noticed in the bio and a quick glance of Wikipedia, that Alex seems to have little education, as there is no high school listed for graduation, or a college degree.
With print on demand, anyone can call themselves an author these days.
Seems this cow wrote a novel, and got lucky by Scholastic picking it up.
I also laughed at this-
“As of April 2016, however, Gino lives in their RV as they drive around the country.”
I’m guessing Alex isn’t traveling and seeing the country, I’m guessing that Alex is a road hobo that parks at Walmart parking lots because they have no money for rent.
That George book? It’s fucking awful from what I’ve read and telling kids to not send in reviews or reports unless they are free of criticism is just insane.

Sorry for the double post but I’m watching NYPD Blue for the first time and I was curious if there were any deaf characters that pop up.
There is an episode that has a deaf character, and the deaf character is played by a deaf person.
Most people would be happy about this, but not the deaf community.
I haven’t seen the episode yet, but here is an article from USA Today that has deaf people bitching because a deaf actor didn’t sign correctly or something.

“USA Today)--The deaf community is still buzzing over an unusual sign-language prayer in the season finale of ABC's NYPD Blue. Deaf actor Chond Slick, 26, who wrote the prayer, is seen delivering it in a hospital chapel where Andy Sipowicz pleads with God for his son's health. In print, the prayer begins "Oh God, please cause deaf people of the world to come together in a beautiful gathering with wonderful flowers and trees. Let them be joined by the hearing people of the world, let life become beautiful for all people," says the actor's father, Darby Slick, brother-in-law of the Jefferson Airplane's Grace Slick. But Chond Slick said the prayer in sign language using his own "oratorial" style, his father says. That style was baffling and upsetting to many members of the deaf community. "What was coming off his hands didn't seem to make any sense," says Darlene Pricket, who works at Gallaudet University, the USA's only higher-education institution for deaf students. "It looked like a bunch of random words just kind of thrown together. The signs were actual signs -- things like 'deaf,' 'ASL,' 'deaf culture,' 'interpreter,' 'come together' -- but they didn't have any structure. They didn't have any meaning .... On a personal level, it bothered me. What a great opportunity it would have been to show that person really signing something, instead of what seemed like just gibberish." Jack Jason, interpreter for deaf actress Marlee Matlin, agrees. Although American Sign Language syntax is different from English, he says, "there are still parameters which communication in sign must fall into, and unfortunately, the young man's signing did not.

Others accuse the show of taking liberties with the language. "I love the show very much, but Mr. Bochco (co-executive producer Steven Bochco) needs to show some respect for the deaf community," says deaf fan Lisa Siemens. Bochco and other producers were unavailable for comment. "Would you put a hearing person in there saying a prayer when they weren't really saying a prayer?" asks Cheryl Ringel, also a Gallaudet employee. "It's ridiculous." Other sign language users say the performance lacked the facial expressions that provide emotional and grammar cues for listeners, and the result was extremely difficult to understand. Darby Slick says he talked to viewers who understood the prayer, and says stylized dialogue isn't unusual on Blue.”

I think the Deaf community isn’t happy unless they’re miserable.

 

[keyboredsm4shthe2nd]

Sorry for the double post but I’m watching NYPD Blue for the first time and I was curious if there were any deaf characters that pop up.
There is an episode that has a deaf character, and the deaf character is played by a deaf person.
Most people would be happy about this, but not the deaf community.
I haven’t seen the episode yet, but here is an article from USA Today that has deaf people bitching because a deaf actor didn’t sign correctly or something.

“USA Today)--The deaf community is still buzzing over an unusual sign-language prayer in the season finale of ABC's NYPD Blue. Deaf actor Chond Slick, 26, who wrote the prayer, is seen delivering it in a hospital chapel where Andy Sipowicz pleads with God for his son's health. In print, the prayer begins "Oh God, please cause deaf people of the world to come together in a beautiful gathering with wonderful flowers and trees. Let them be joined by the hearing people of the world, let life become beautiful for all people," says the actor's father, Darby Slick, brother-in-law of the Jefferson Airplane's Grace Slick. But Chond Slick said the prayer in sign language using his own "oratorial" style, his father says. That style was baffling and upsetting to many members of the deaf community. "What was coming off his hands didn't seem to make any sense," says Darlene Pricket, who works at Gallaudet University, the USA's only higher-education institution for deaf students. "It looked like a bunch of random words just kind of thrown together. The signs were actual signs -- things like 'deaf,' 'ASL,' 'deaf culture,' 'interpreter,' 'come together' -- but they didn't have any structure. They didn't have any meaning .... On a personal level, it bothered me. What a great opportunity it would have been to show that person really signing something, instead of what seemed like just gibberish." Jack Jason, interpreter for deaf actress Marlee Matlin, agrees. Although American Sign Language syntax is different from English, he says, "there are still parameters which communication in sign must fall into, and unfortunately, the young man's signing did not.

Others accuse the show of taking liberties with the language. "I love the show very much, but Mr. Bochco (co-executive producer Steven Bochco) needs to show some respect for the deaf community," says deaf fan Lisa Siemens. Bochco and other producers were unavailable for comment. "Would you put a hearing person in there saying a prayer when they weren't really saying a prayer?" asks Cheryl Ringel, also a Gallaudet employee. "It's ridiculous." Other sign language users say the performance lacked the facial expressions that provide emotional and grammar cues for listeners, and the result was extremely difficult to understand. Darby Slick says he talked to viewers who understood the prayer, and says stylized dialogue isn't unusual on Blue.”

I think the Deaf community isn’t happy unless they’re miserable.

>Guy who can actually sign writes his own prayer

>YoUrE dOiNg It WrOnG

Dear God this is on par with the "gay community" complaining Dumbledore isn't gay enough. It's like someone who speaks English screeching about someone speaking Esperanto.

 

[Paige Matheson]

This- “I love the show very much, but Mr. Bochco (co-executive producer Steven Bochco) needs to show some respect for the deaf community," says deaf fan Lisa Siemens.”

I’m going to guess that Steven Bochco was trying to show respect, the whole writing a deaf character and having the actor actually be deaf was respect, but all these people do is complain.

“Would you put a hearing person in there saying a prayer when they weren't really saying a prayer?" asks Cheryl Ringel, also a Gallaudet employee.”
Uh, yes, it’s called acting.

 

[KimCoppolaAficionado]

This- “I love the show very much, but Mr. Bochco (co-executive producer Steven Bochco) needs to show some respect for the deaf community," says deaf fan Lisa Siemens.”

I’m going to guess that Steven Bochco was trying to show respect, the whole writing a deaf character and having the actor actually be deaf was respect, but all these people do is complain.

“Would you put a hearing person in there saying a prayer when they weren't really saying a prayer?" asks Cheryl Ringel, also a Gallaudet employee.”
Uh, yes, it’s called acting.

These "deaf community" people come off like they just want to live in a commune where they never communicate with non-deafs and puncture their children's eardrums at birth.

 

[Paige Matheson]

These "deaf community" people come off like they just want to live in a commune where they never communicate with non-deafs and puncture their children's eardrums at birth.

They can’t even agree on what to be classified as.
First it was deaf, then it was hearing impaired, now it’s back to Deaf I guess.
Here’s some info from NAD (National Association of the Deaf)

Hearing-impaired – “This term is no longer accepted by most in the community but was at one time preferred, largely because it was viewed as politically correct. To declare oneself or another person as deaf or blind, for example, was considered somewhat bold, rude, or impolite. At that time, it was thought better to use the word “impaired” along with “visually,” “hearing,” “mobility,” and so on. “Hearing-impaired” was a well-meaning term that is not accepted or used by many deaf and hard of hearing people.

For many people, the words “deaf” and “hard of hearing” are not negative. Instead, the term “hearing-impaired” is viewed as negative. The term focuses on what people can’t do. It establishes the standard as “hearing” and anything different as “impaired,” or substandard, hindered, or damaged. It implies that something is not as it should be and ought to be fixed if possible. To be fair, this is probably not what people intended to convey by the term “hearing impaired.”

Every individual is unique, but there is one thing we all have in common: we all want to be treated with respect. To the best of our own unique abilities, we have families, friends, communities, and lives that are just as fulfilling as anyone else. We may be different, but we are not less.

What’s in a name? Plenty! Words and labels can have a profound effect on people. Show your respect for people by refusing to use outdated or offensive terms. When in doubt, ask the individual how they identify themselves.”

I fail to see how impaired is a negative.
My best friends father was blind since age of 11.
He was very involved in the blind community.
I never saw any fighting in the blind community.
They didn’t argue about legally blind vs full on blind.
Actually they all seemed to have a great since of humor.

 

[keyboredsm4shthe2nd]

They can’t even agree on what to be classified as.
First it was deaf, then it was hearing impaired, now it’s back to Deaf I guess.
Here’s some info from NAD (National Association of the Deaf)

Hearing-impaired – “This term is no longer accepted by most in the community but was at one time preferred, largely because it was viewed as politically correct. To declare oneself or another person as deaf or blind, for example, was considered somewhat bold, rude, or impolite. At that time, it was thought better to use the word “impaired” along with “visually,” “hearing,” “mobility,” and so on. “Hearing-impaired” was a well-meaning term that is not accepted or used by many deaf and hard of hearing people.

For many people, the words “deaf” and “hard of hearing” are not negative. Instead, the term “hearing-impaired” is viewed as negative. The term focuses on what people can’t do. It establishes the standard as “hearing” and anything different as “impaired,” or substandard, hindered, or damaged. It implies that something is not as it should be and ought to be fixed if possible. To be fair, this is probably not what people intended to convey by the term “hearing impaired.”

Every individual is unique, but there is one thing we all have in common: we all want to be treated with respect. To the best of our own unique abilities, we have families, friends, communities, and lives that are just as fulfilling as anyone else. We may be different, but we are not less.

What’s in a name? Plenty! Words and labels can have a profound effect on people. Show your respect for people by refusing to use outdated or offensive terms. When in doubt, ask the individual how they identify themselves.”

I fail to see how impaired is a negative.
My best friends father was blind since age of 11.
He was very involved in the blind community.
I never saw any fighting in the blind community.
They didn’t argue about legally blind vs full on blind.
Actually they all seemed to have a great since of humor.

I'm cringing so hard right now, it's got such similarity to "I have autism please laugh at me" sjws pushing "differently abled" and "neurodiverse"

Well it ain't called Supplemental Security Differently abled Income, is it?

 

[Paige Matheson]

I was looking online for something I read a long time ago but couldn’t find.
It was a man that had a deaf or HH child and was going to get Cochlear Implants for his kid, and the man got so much hate for it, that he wrote an open letter to the Deaf Community.
I couldn’t find it but I did find this https://www.reddit.com/r/Blackops4/comments/9rr858/open_letter_video_to_treyarch_about_deaf/
I don’t know anything about gaming, so I don’t know if this is legit criticism or not.

 

[Umaibae]

What do you think about how the disability community including the deaf talks about and does PSAs complaining about bad experiences with people distracting their service dogs?

I can see both sides. It really is bad to distract a service dog but so many of these people share stories where they flip out on the person rather than educate them. I know it must be terrible and frustrating that people don't understand basic things like this but using it as a way to vent frustration on strangers is wrong and won't engender acceptance of disabilities.

Two popular online disability activists, Rikki Poynter (hard of hearing/hoh) and Annie Segarra (obese Hispanic chronic illness Youtuber who is probably threadworthy and a Munchie) shared this assmad "PSA"/venting with their added input of "disabled people aren't your entertainment".
https://www.facebook.com/SDSulley/videos/218547575716626/

I've observed online service dog community and there seems to be so much anger and nutty people. I've seen the other side when crazy people use it as an excuse to act out. I was volunteering at an inner city food bank. A crazy homeless woman with three Pomeranians jumping with visible fleas with clearly fake vests from the internet was screaming and losing it at this high school girl politely sitting in the waiting room with her mother. I think crazy homeless lady bought fake vests because she was homeless and if she left them in a vehicle that she may have lived in they would fry.

She made the kid sob. Everyone including the staff felt bad for her because she wasn't obnoxious about her interest in the dogs. It really makes me miss those children's shows from the 80s and 90s that patiently educated people on handicaps and other sensitive issues.

I think the people bugging the dog in this viral video Rikki and Annie shared are Hispanic or some kind of ethnic minority. Rikki and Annie are big SJWs who go on about racism but if so many ignorant third world savages weren't overwhelming their country, there would be more citizens more likely to understand that service dogs are not just cute pets and have an important job to do that their human's life could depend on.

I think this is a cultural barrier for some immigrants who come from countries so shitty that there are no standards and training for service dogs and they've only ever seen dogs as pets or semi-feral animals.

So, devil's advocate here: Disney for three people isn't cheap, and these people, while Latino, speak and talk like many Latinos in California. Their accent is emblematic of more upper-class Hispanics. I highly doubt they came from the slums and had never seen a service dog.

Did the lady with the dog react 100% wrong? Duh. Instead of saying she was "UNCOMFORTABLE!!!" She could have just explained this was a service dog, not a pet, and to please not distract her working animal.

 

[Piga Dgrifm]

With print on demand, anyone can call themselves an author these days.
Seems this cow wrote a novel, and got lucky by Scholastic picking it up.

The books are genuinely awful. All tell, no show. The author writes like they've never spoken to a child before in their life. And the one about the Deaf community is literally made up nearly entirely of forum/text message posts written like this:

Spoiler: Actual excerpt from a book published by Scholastic

Over and over again for the whole book. This isn't good writing. It barely even counts as writing. It's disheartening to know that something so utterly devoid of any substance or value could be published by a major company purely because it ticks some hot-button political issues of this era.

 

[keyboredsm4shthe2nd]

The books are genuinely awful. All tell, no show. The author writes like they've never spoken to a child before in their life. And the one about the Deaf community is literally made up nearly entirely of forum/text message posts written like this:

Spoiler: Actual excerpt from a book published by Scholastic

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Over and over again for the whole book. This isn't good writing. It barely even counts as writing. It's disheartening to know that something so utterly devoid of any substance or value could be published by a major company purely because it ticks some hot-button political issues of this era.

... Because it's not like deaf people ever WRITE or anything. Dear God this stuff is so freaking wooden, I'd expect this of a sixth grader or somebody with moderate dyslexia. Is scholastic pulling their intellectual properties from the bottom of a dumpster now?

 

[Piga Dgrifm]

... Because it's not like deaf people ever WRITE or anything. Dear God this stuff is so freaking wooden, I'd expect this of a sixth grader or somebody with moderate dyslexia. Is scholastic pulling their intellectual properties from the bottom of a dumpster now?

If you want to lose some more faith in humanity, Amazon reviewers are calling it "A Genuine Masterpiece."

The aunt mentioned in the review has no character traits beyond being black and gay. Uncle Mike is a strawman that would fit nicely into your average Tumblr comic.