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[SiccDicc]

Pretty good article on the dangers of Radicalism from a former Anarchist. He was also on Tucker Carlson explaining his article and experience:

 

[Vlad the Inhaler]

I'm still waiting for the day a crowd of antifaggots attack the wrong crowd and get rightfully shot in self defense, recorded by multiple cameras.

Man, I'd settle for just being able to watch what the Spanish Guardia Civil do to those enormous pussies without any cameras around. Old habits die hard, you know?

 

[Martys_not_smarty]

White people are starting to be pushed out of the sport by glorious African-Scandinavian hybrids. It's not just yt that's good at bashing black things with sticks anymore.

So who's hockey's equivalent to Henrik Larsson?

 

[Vlad the Inhaler]

ETA: so far this thing is free, which would possibly not be a "use in commerce" sufficient to trigger the usual trademark infringement, but if it's used in fundraising or in any other way connected to money, it would be. Also, there might still be a dilution/disparagement argument if associating their trademarked mascot with a terrorist organization happens.

You obviously know this WAY better than I ever bothered to, but I could swear there was something about a trademark holder being allowed to get a cease and desist for use of their TM in political campaigns/opinions they don't agree with. It's fairly hazy, and I'm pretty sure I'm conflating this with misappropriation of likeness of persons or celebrities or somesuch, and I think even Larry Flynt has something to do with all this.

Well that's perfectly clear, no?

 

[AnOminous]

You obviously know this WAY better than I ever bothered to, but I could swear there was something about a trademark holder being allowed to get a cease and desist for use of their TM in political campaigns/opinions they don't agree with.

Yes, that's tarnishment/dilution. There's some indication that political campaigns, even when they raise money, are noncommercial, First Amendment protected, and exempt from dilution claims (like this case where some weirdo changed his name to "Andy Griffith" and ran for office under that name and the actual Andy Griffith sued him). So there might to some degree be legally protected uses of a trademark like this.

I don't think this is likely to hold water if they actually start selling anything with the trademarked character for money.

 

[RichardMongler]

Pretty good article on the dangers of Radicalism from a former Anarchist. He was also on Tucker Carlson explaining his article and experience:

Good article, but that interview by Tuckah with the author was extremely awkward. His stilted, hesitant responses sent a different message than the well-written prose in his lengthy essay on being a former Anarchist. To me, his nervous tone and lack of details in the responses suggested he had second thoughts about appearing on national television, but at that point, it was too late. The passage in this article is quite telling.

Radicals should take stock of the progress liberal democracies have made. As Steven Pinker points out in The Better Angels of Our Nature, nobody in the West has an argument for wife-beating or denying women the vote anymore. Infant mortality rates have cratered, and extreme poverty rates are falling precipitously. With trends like these and more, liberal capitalism appears less like the arch-nemesis of humanity, and more like a miracle machine. It could even be improved by the compassion and devotion of former radicals. It is worth noting that this progress does not mean that exploitation and oppression have been solved; but it does mean that our current society is the only one to have made significant inroads against them.

I've heard of accounts of self-declared former radicals still maintaining those views but realize that lifestylism will condemn you to a life on the fringes if you get the point of no return, so many start to disavow their former comrades. Still, I've got a suspicion the no-platformers who've wormed their way into Silicon Valley came from these radical milieus. It wouldn't surprise me if some still maintain links to them. This guy is clearly advocating for an open dialogue, but others aren't so inclined. Both realize that infinite wokeness doesn't pay the rent, but the ones who've made up their minds will find jobs where they can play petty tyrant.

 

[Capsaicin Addict]

Good article, but that interview by Tuckah with the author was extremely awkward. His stilted, hesitant responses sent a different message than the well-written prose in his lengthy essay on being a former Anarchist. To me, his nervous tone and lack of details in the responses suggested he had second thoughts about appearing on national television, but at that point, it was too late. The passage in this article is quite telling.

I've heard of accounts of self-declared former radicals still maintaining those views but realize that lifestylism will condemn you to a life on the fringes if you get the point of no return, so many start to disavow their former comrades. Still, I've got a suspicion the no-platformers who've wormed their way into Silicon Valley came from these radical milieus. It wouldn't surprise me if some still maintain links to them. This guy is clearly advocating for an open dialogue, but others aren't so inclined. Both realize that infinite wokeness doesn't pay the rent, but the ones who've made up their minds will find jobs where they can play petty tyrant.

Huh, I missed this getting posted here. I referenced the Quillette article in the SJW thread.

In any case, I don't blame the guy for feeling awkward. Going on national TV and admitting you used to be a part of a group that agitates for the death of Western civilization can't exactly be the most comfortable place in the world.

There's also a concept... not sure how to put this into words. But both David Horowitz and the late Mike Vanderboegh often felt 'the ghost of Benedict Arnold at their shoulder'. They were both Communists, you see, prior to changing their views. But both were haunted by their past actions. I wonder if this poor bastard feels it too.

 

[ICametoLurk]

Red Guard Austin is gone.

Curious to see how this will affect their sister orgs in other cities (Red Guards LA et. al.). RGA was obviously the dominant group even if officially they had no authority over the others.

 

[Vault Boy]

Red Guard Austin is gone.

Curious to see how this will affect their sister orgs in other cities (Red Guards LA et. al.). RGA was obviously the dominant group even if officially they had no authority over the others.

Nothing says "We're the good guys!" like beheading a pig and nailing its head to a library to intimidate others.

 

[ICametoLurk]

Nothing says "We're the good guys!" like beheading a pig and nailing its head to a library to intimidate others.

They're mostly well known for nailing pig's heads to posts outside campaign offices and DSA meetings. It's okay to do what Fash and Sikhs do to Muslims when they're Evil Imperialists.

 

[kidatari]

some good news from the attack on the Marines
I just hope there is justice

 

[ICametoLurk]

I should go more in depth about why the Red Guard does that.

It's deliberately copied from the kinds of things done by the actual Red Guards during the Cultural Revolution. Because the lesson these people take away from the CR is that it was cool and definitely didn't cause an enormous popular backlash against leftism.

This actually reminds me of a very interesting fact I just learned. In certain port zones in Southern China, gangs are hired to vandalize residential buildings so that they'll be condemned and opened for commercial development. In response, there's a phenomenon of old ladies raised during the CR who gang up and throw bottles of literal shit at these vandals and hurl unbelievable verbal abuse at them.

 

[Dante Alighieri]

Nothing like fascist "anti" fascists attacking other socialists.

 

[Capsaicin Addict]

I should go more in depth about why the Red Guard does that.

It's deliberately copied from the kinds of things done by the actual Red Guards during the Cultural Revolution. Because the lesson these people take away from the CR is that it was cool and definitely didn't cause an enormous popular backlash against leftism.

This actually reminds me of a very interesting fact I just learned. In certain port zones in Southern China, gangs are hired to vandalize residential buildings so that they'll be condemned and opened for commercial development. In response, there's a phenomenon of old ladies raised during the CR who gang up and throw bottles of literal shit at these vandals and hurl unbelievable verbal abuse at them.

Tell me there's video of this.

 

[TowinKarz]

Nothing like fascist "anti" fascists attacking other socialists.

It's the way of nature.

One revolutionary is a genius

Two or more is an internal party split.

Five that share a common goal for more than 4 minutes is a murder conspiracy.


They're one of those species that if you put two or more in a bottle, they'll fight one another to the death no matter what else is going on.

 

[AnOminous]

Nothing like fascist "anti" fascists attacking other socialists.

They may have learned that "Nazis" hit back.

 

[Capsaicin Addict]

It's the way of nature.

One revolutionary is a genius

Two or more is an internal party split.

Five that share a common goal for more than 4 minutes is a murder conspiracy.


They're one of those species that if you put two or more in a bottle, they'll fight one another to the death no matter what else is going on.

This is why intersectionality is a thing with leftists. It's an attempt to get these various and diverse (and I'm not being sarcastic here) groups to try and walk in the same direction; an exercise normally comparable to herding cats.

Otherwise, you get a repeat of the Prairie Fire Organizing Committee conference, where the Weather Underground types (who had cooked up the whole thing) wound up getting kicked out of their own conference because the other groups had distinctly different opinions on who should be in charge.

 

[neverendingmidi]

This is why intersectionality is a thing with leftists. It's an attempt to get these various and diverse (and I'm not being sarcastic here) groups to try and walk in the same direction; an exercise normally comparable to herding cats.

Otherwise, you get a repeat of the Prairie Fire Organizing Committee conference, where the Weather Underground types (who had cooked up the whole thing) wound up getting kicked out of their own conference because the other groups had distinctly different opinions on who should be in charge.

The problem being is that "Intersectionality" always ends up devolving into "the squeaky wheel gets the grease" as each person competes to be the most intersectional. So they still all pull in opposite directions. Look at Lesbians vs. Troons. Lesbians are attracted to same sex. Trans policy now is that there is no sex, only gender. Ergo a lesbian should suck dick or they aren't lesbians.

 

[Vlad the Inhaler]

Otherwise, you get a repeat of the Prairie Fire Organizing Committee conference, where the Weather Underground types (who had cooked up the whole thing) wound up getting kicked out of their own conference because the other groups had distinctly different opinions on who should be in charge.

A microcosm of the larger split between SDS and the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee. Both wanted to be able to take credit, and realized that actually having to work wasn't as fun as protesting, getting high and getting laid. Then of course came Kent State, and all of a sudden going to class instead of occupying the buildings seemed pretty cool also. Bunch of whining arrogant pieces of shit whose commitment to revolution didn't survive the disco era. The whole lot of them aren't worth one guy who served his tour of duty, came home and got on with his life.

 

[Capsaicin Addict]

A microcosm of the larger split between SDS and the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee. Both wanted to be able to take credit, and realized that actually having to work wasn't as fun as protesting, getting high and getting laid. Then of course came Kent State, and all of a sudden going to class instead of occupying the buildings seemed pretty cool also. Bunch of whining arrogant pieces of shit whose commitment to revolution didn't survive the disco era. The whole lot of them aren't worth one guy who served his tour of duty, came home and got on with his life.

It should be noted that while mainstream culture was happy to embrace the music of the counter-culture, and more than a few folks thought the weed was pretty good too, most folks just weren't down with the radical politics.

There's some similarity there with the issues we're seeing with 'geek culture' sliding into the mainstream as well, though not totally.