DarksydePhil / TheyCallMeDSP / Phil Burnell - General Discussion

[Destro1986]

So Tevins lore is the same as most detractors? Was a fan and then lost faith/patience with the pig?

I thought his longevity was because he had no real skin in the game

Well, he's a little different. He was a fan, then he left for years; long enough that I don't think he qualified as a fan any longer, but he returned with the potential to be a fan once more. Then Dark turned him into a detractor, but since he's a mature adult he just doesn't care, unless Dark gets intentionally personal; before he got kicked off Twitch he REALLY didn't take anything personally, he just thought Dark was funny and pathetic.

Nobody actually has "skin in the game" some people just care way too much and feel some kind of moral obligation to "bring him down"

Sidenote: So there were massive tornadoes about 25 miles from Dave today, people lost their houses. Think he'll even mention it?

 

[samovski]

I thought they removed him as a mod. Wonder why he's still hosting them. Probably on auto-host but goddamn Dave, how can you be so lazy as to not remove a channel you made yourself look like a bitch on.

Also @JohnnyBoi



This is the only Tweet I could find referencing his taxes. It's more a hypothetical than a direct quote. Dave never said that. At least not publicly.

 

[Fuckyoudad]

He still is.

I never bought vidar's miarculous awakening from the DSP coma by virtue of being banned either. It was like a light swtch going on after a huge financial/time investment.. even if part of the appeal was enjoying a power position his sudden shift on here always rung a little hollow to me. He became a peacekeeper out of necessity. Not that I really have anything against the guy or Tevin either but with DSP (like a lot of cows I suppose) there's the push and pull of fascination and revulsion going on. All I know is anyone who hated DSP flat out wouldn't make anyone suffer through those fucking terrible DSP remixes on their channel.

 

[James Smith]

Think he'll even mention it?

I'll answer your question with a question: Does it directly affect him?

 

[NursezillaX]

Every few days I discover more about DSP that makes him in my mind more closely resemble a blobfish than a man.

Isn't it amazing that, to this day, you can STILL learn things about this clown that... amaze you?

Right, so it was considerably more than just buying new shit. You would think a mature adult would spend an hour to add everything up and question why he'd pay more than the shits worth moving it. Plus add on the fact that he had to wait for all this stuff to get there, didn’t he spend a few days basically making no money because he couldn’t upload anything?

But what do I know, I’m not a business owner.

Keep in mind, these were the salad days. This was the time that he could do 'rich people' shit and spend vast amounts of money in exchange for little gain, convenience wise. Only difference is that ACTUAL 'rich people' that do this shit have long-term investments, healthy savings, etc. Phil, however, did 'rich people shit' with the most unstable source of income there is: one that relies on a fluctuating viewer base and their 'interaction'.

Something that gets brought up every now and then with E7 is how weird he is that he doesn't talk in chat, or even that because he's never supported Phil before this is evidence it's a troll. That was one of the weirder things to me too until Phil released one of the emails and talked about people wanting to keep transactions private because they were worried about being doxxed. E7 could be a genuine and active fan in Phil's chat, just with a different main account. They decided they wanted to help Phil out, but didn't want to draw detractor attention so used a burner account. It is an older account which is a little odd, but it's not that uncommon for people to have multiple Twitch accounts either. The fact they recently changed their name might be because they felt like drudging up the old account instead of making a new one and thought the old name was either too identifying or dated or whatever. It could also be an old paypig crawling back to Phil and being too ashamed to use their main account, as a few others have speculated.

I'd be inclined to think that this was the most logical explanation, except for the fact that he's doing it via subs: something that will crash in a month and is obviously unsustainable (even as a possible investment, does anyone really believe that a SINGLE one of these gifted subs is going to re-up next month??), where he's slipping the money to him on the sly and paying double to do so. I have to imagine tips would be the better way to do this, for both of them, if this was our answer...

 

[Wurstbrot]

In DSPLand, only Dark is right.

About everything, even the tiniest insignificant stuff. And the most important part is, he disagrees without making a true statement, he just wants to disagree. It's frustrating to hear and read him, imagine talking to him.

Sidenote: So there were massive tornadoes about 25 miles from Dave today, people lost their houses. Think he'll even mention it?

I dunno, but if yes, he will somehow spin the story all around himself, cuz every topic has to be correlated to him. And if he has nothing of importance to say it will go the usual route of:
I dindu know naffin, okay, I just focus on my stream and I need the money to keep my own house. Also the tornado is Tevin's fault.

 

[NursezillaX]

Most of the Tevin /DSP lore stated so far has been accurate, but this is it spelled out 100%, just fyi....

https://youtu.be/ZVHgWoUMZeE

 

[chicken wings]

How does it have zero correlation? Fans of his at some point or another were either verbally abused publicly, essentially robbed, or just find it funny to poke the bear. Wasn't Tevin either a fan or casual viewer at some point? I'm sure I remember him explaining that the very first vid he did on Dark was during his 1st Bloodborne playthrough, he wanted to just have a little rant..

People only hate Phil because they're jealous remember.

 

[samovski]

Most of the Tevin /DSP lore stated so far has been accurate, but this is it spelled out 100%, just fyi....

https://youtu.be/ZVHgWoUMZeE

Thanks for that, was planning on looking for it tomorrow.

 

[Destro1986]

Isn't it amazing that, to this day, you can STILL learn things about this clown that... amaze you?



Keep in mind, these were the salad days. This was the time that he could do 'rich people' shit and spend vast amounts of money in exchange for little gain, convenience wise. Only difference is that ACTUAL 'rich people' that do this shit have long-term investments, healthy savings, etc. Phil, however, did 'rich people shit' with the most unstable source of income there is: one that relies on a fluctuating viewer base and their 'interaction'.



I'd be inclined to think that this was the most logical explanation, except for the fact that he's doing it via subs: something that will crash in a month and is obviously unsustainable (even as a possible investment, does anyone really believe that a SINGLE one of these gifted subs is going to re-up next month??), where he's slipping the money to him on the sly and paying double to do so. I have to imagine tips would be the better way to do this, for both of them, if this was our answer...

Actually he was relying on something worse at the time wasn't he?

Third party online advertising is the worst revenue stream there is, really. The entire industry only exists because of a pipe dream that the ads work (they don't)

 

[NursezillaX]

Actually he was relying on something worse at the time wasn't he?

Third party online advertising is the worst revenue stream there is, really. The entire industry only exists because of a pipe dream that the ads work (they don't)

I'm not 100%, but this MAY have been when he was still getting paid per VIEW, and those types of contracts were going away fast! He held on to a 'per view' versus ad-based contract way longer than a lot of people did. That was when he was really making money hand over fist because of his spamming 60-part playthroughs, which led to him getting 60 views where people with longer videos might get 10 for the same amount of khantent (and keep in mind they were unedited / had all the repeat play and dead air, so his views were even MORE padded). Again, not sure if he still had that unsustainable contract at that point, but I'm pretty sure. If he didn't know that kind of money was going to come to an end, he was blind or stupid. Eh, it's Dark. Likely both.

 

[Commander Keen]

People only hate Phil because they're jealous remember.

I don’t think anyone really hates DSP. The sort of hate that keeps you up at night, I mean. The type of hate where if someone even mentions their name it ruins your day. I don’t think there’s anyone on this planet who get bummed out if someone says anything about Phil, with the exception of panda and she gets a pass because that’s a normal response when someone brings up an ex you wasted a lot of time dating.

I’ll even say Fred and the SoK brigade who stuck around don’t really hate the guy. Tevin only gets pissy about Phil when he’s drinking and Phil shits on him harder than usual and gets personal during a steam, but tevin gets over it pretty quick because the detractors throw money at him when Phil starts cutting a bit deeper than usual. You can tell when Tevin starts to feel bad about letting it get to him because he’ll do charity stuff or get active on mixer and leverage his detractor fame to do other stuff.

It’s not a question of black and white, or two extremes. I believe he has genuine fans, people who are apathetic, and people who have a good time making fun of him. I don’t believe people either love him or hate him, which seems to be the narrative he pushes.

 

[Destro1986]

I don’t think anyone really hates DSP. The sort of hate that keeps you up at night, I mean. The type of hate where if someone even mentions their name it ruins your day. I don’t think there’s anyone on this planet who get bummed out if someone says anything about Phil, with the exception of panda and she gets a pass because that’s a normal response when someone brings up an ex you wasted a lot of time dating.

I’ll even say Fred and the SoK brigade who stuck around don’t really hate the guy. Tevin only gets pissy about Phil when he’s drinking and Phil shits on him harder than usual and gets personal during a steam, but tevin gets over it pretty quick because the detractors throw money at him when Phil starts cutting a bit deeper than usual. You can tell when Tevin starts to feel bad about letting it get to him because he’ll do charity stuff or get active on mixer and leverage his detractor fame to do other stuff.

It’s not a question of black and white, or two extremes. I believe he has genuine fans, people who are apathetic, and people who have a good time making fun of him. I don’t believe people either love him or hate him, which seems to be the narrative he pushes.

Nah, there's people on here and on twitter who really seem to hate him, and take the fact that he's not out of "business" very personally.

Myself, I think it's weird and creepy to care that much. Even in terms of scammers and conmen, Dark is the tiniest of fish.

 

[LiquidCancer]

Without the magic subs that just started showing up over halfway through the month, did he even raise a dollar more than his regular streams so far? I dont watch that closely but it seems like he gets a few bucks in the pre streams, and then its a lot of 25 cents in bits every 5 minutes or so.

Will his Wrestling Simulations actually encourage any donations?

 

[James Smith]

It's funny that for more than a year it's usually been salty potatoes that wanted to know why I made any videos about DSP, as if I needed to have 1 specific concrete reason. I finally do a video talking about it and new people get upset with me because I don't feel the way they want me to feel.
Also don't people consider me a critic in a way to dsp? what critic says they hate someone and wants them to lose their job exactly?
Finding little tiny reasons to get upset, especially being upset at someone for not being as upset as you about something wont do anything except break the "community" up and give dsp and his fans what they want. Nothing will happen if the entire anti dsp community/movement or whtever you want to call it is just a group of people that all feel the same and act the same, well nothing besides mass dislikes and angry forum posts at least.
Don't we give shit to dsp for having a fan base that has a mostly hive mind? Now if we don't all feel the same on the opposite end its apparently a bad thing.
Seems legited

 

[Cyber Bowling]

I'd be inclined to think that this was the most logical explanation, except for the fact that he's doing it via subs: something that will crash in a month and is obviously unsustainable (even as a possible investment, does anyone really believe that a SINGLE one of these gifted subs is going to re-up next month??), where he's slipping the money to him on the sly and paying double to do so. I have to imagine tips would be the better way to do this, for both of them, if this was our answer...

He isn't slipping him money on the sly and that's exactly the point. You're not wrong, it's dumb and unsustainable, but like everyone who has chosen to support Phil before them, it's not actually about what is best for Phil, it's about making a statement. I think E7 wants to keep themselves in the shadows, but not the fact they are supporting Phil. Phil's paypigs like to project their ego onto Phil. BSV mentioned it a few times in his Phil retrospects, it really isn't about Phil so much as what Phil represents to people. They like seeing Phil succeed because in their minds, they're swooping in and playing internet hero for the poor hard working underdog who is just trying to produce quality content but keeps getting beat down by trolls and detractors. They want Phil to be seen as successful, in this case by having a high subcount, giving something for Phil to boast about as well. That might even be part of why they switched to Tier 3 subs, since DSP does technically have the highest amount of T3 subs on Twitch. If it was sustainable, it would be a legit bragging point.

Like you said, the odds of anyone reupping are pretty damn slim, but much like Phil, I think the paypigs just don't understand what is/isn't good for a streamer. I mean, if they did, I can't imagine they'd be watching Phil at all. In any event, you're not wrong about tipping being better for both of them and making more sense, but that logic applies to both actual fans and detractors. That's why troll cheers are a thing when in reality it is easier to tip and cancel the transactions versus having to report a fraudulent charge on your credit card.

 

[actually]

Without the magic subs that just started showing up over halfway through the month, did he even raise a dollar more than his regular streams so far? I dont watch that closely but it seems like he gets a few bucks in the pre streams, and then its a lot of 25 cents in bits every 5 minutes or so.

Will his Wrestling Simulations actually encourage any donations?

Slightly above average, depending on how tips were tonight. Before emerald showed up, most of his streams were, to my eye, a bit above average (average being like $160ish a day between cheers, subs, and tips). But this is December and Phil's been begging HARD, so it's not a big surprise.

 

[Fuckyoudad]

Don't we give shit to dsp for having a fan base that has a mostly hive mind? Now if we don't all feel the same on the opposite end its apparently a bad thing.
Seems legited

I don't see many around here saying that but given enough time people will try and come up with some kind of value system to live every part of their life by - even when it comes to something as dumb as commenting daily on a manchild's endless pursuit of a lifestyle he can't afford/isn't actually willing to put in the effort to maintain.

But if you're online every single day of your life and dedicating time to wishing ill on DSP I dunno maybe you need a break from the internet. Go soak your head and sort yourself out. I realize it might seem hypocritical coming from anyone on here acting like they're not overly-invested in the show but I personally have been DSP'ing on and off since he started on youtube and not once have I had the urge to say a single word to him personally in all that time. This is the only place I ever joined to bother talking about him. He always creates the biggest mess in his life all on his own and has freakish luck on his side at the same time. That's the format of the show and it'll never change. The audience does though and the longer they stick around the more I'm inclined to think they get twisted up inside and feel like they hold the monopoly over how everyone is supposed to spectate and behave. There'll always be the extremists I guess.

 

[Destro1986]

I don't see many around here saying that but given enough time people will try and come up with some kind of value system to live every part of their life by - even when it comes to something as dumb as commenting daily on a manchild's endless pursuit of a lifestyle he can't afford/isn't actually willing to put in the effort to maintain.

But if you're online every single day of your life and dedicating time to wishing ill on DSP I dunno maybe you need a break from the internet. Go soak your head and sort yourself out. I realize it might seem hypocritical coming from anyone on here acting like they're not overly-invested in the show but I personally have been DSP'ing on and off since he started on youtube and not once have I had the urge to say a single word to him personally in all that time. This is the only place I ever joined to bother talking about him. He always creates the biggest mess in his life all on his own and has freakish luck on his side at the same time. That's the format of the show and it'll never change. The audience does though and the longer they stick around the more I'm inclined to think they get twisted up inside and feel like they hold the monopoly over how everyone is supposed to spectate and behave. There'll always be the extremists I guess.

Have any of you ever read the Books of Swords? He's got like reverse Coinspinner; he's compelled to make every wrong decision, but at the last minute some stroke of freak luck snatches him out of danger.

 

[tarni]

Now maybe someone on here can enlighten me since I admit im not particularly knowledgeable on this subject, but when Dark moved across the country was the best idea to really put himself in debt moving everything across the country with him? not getting into the specifics of him obviously being an idiot thinking he would never stop making money on youtube and buying 2 big of a place on the other side of the country for him and his gf straight out of high school, but wouldn't it have just been cheaper buying new furniture?

Like am I missing something? theres no way shit like a bed, desk, couch and TV etc. would add up to whatever the stupid amount was he got charged and couldn't afford to move a bunch of shit such a long distance.

Pretty sure he bought a new bed which at $4000 wasn't 'that expensive', according to him.