Inactive Terry A. Davis / Terrence Andrew Davis - Creator of TempleOS (formerly LoseThos/sparrowOS)

[Least Concern]

Huh? What a weirdly defensive comment. I never said lock any one up, I said treatment.

Okay, then answer the question. How do you propose the state use the force of law to solve this problem? If you don't mean locking people up and forcing them to be treated regardless of their will, then what do you mean?

 

[MakingAmericaGreat]

After watching Jim's video I'm inclined to agree. Jim read some of Terry's tweets that talked about CIA niggers sending underage girls to sexually provoke him, which makes it sound like just another delusion of his. That said I'm certainly no expert on Terry.

(Prefacing this saying psychosis doesn’t mean full dissociation from reality which is why he can still recall true facts from his life. Another issue could be pedophilia without pedophilic behavior, but that seems unlikely as well.)

Schizophrenics suffer from psychosis pretty heavily on a cyclic schedule. Some days they are fully lucid and other days they have little to no ability to function properly. When dealing with a schizophrenic off their meds, it’s hard to near impossible to tell what is true and what their psychosis tells them.

With that it mind, here’s my opinion. It’s likely fully made up from psychosis. Most examples were paired with clearly false stories. Each time he has talked about his pedophilic behaviors, it has been mixed with small truths of his life but never talked about again. If these were true events, it would slip into conversation every once in awhile during his ramblings. This does not indicate any form of pedophilic behavior. In this case, Terry had a strong belief that was prevalent in all his psychotic episodes, that the CIA was out to get him. One of the worst offenses that a person can commit in our society is pedophilic behavior and it allowed him to blame his greatest psychotic thought. If Terry came into my clinic, I would never diagnose him as having a pedophililic behavior. Unless more consistent evidence were to be found, such as corroborating reports or video evidence, it would be completely wrong to diagnose him as having pedophilic behavior.

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

Okay, then answer the question. How do you propose the state use the force of law to solve this problem? If you don't mean locking people up and forcing them to be treated regardless of their will, then what do you mean?

Change laws to assist families with getting their loved ones safe and on medication when in throws of extreme psychosis. Laws should empower families to save loved ones from ending up babbling homeless people talking to themselves and pissing their pants, not empower someone to live their life according to the voices in their head.

I’m speaking about schizophrenia which is a very specific and severe mental illness.

Ive known several families dealing with schizophrenic family members and they managed to save their loved ones but it was made so much more difficult due to the laws.

Today most of the “mental health treatment” takes place in our jails and prisons. If your big problem with mandated treatment is it locks people up, well that’s already happening only in jails not psychiatric hospitals where there is far more abuse and little actual help. They linger for months and years being abused in jails awaiting trial for petty offenses they don’t even remember.

I’d rather see people forced into treatment than smearing shit all over their jail cells and being raped by other convicts.

Terry’s death is an incredibly common ending for schizophrenic people in the USA thanks to our ass backward laws.

We punish the severely mentally ill now, we don’t treat them.

 

[AnOminous]

Change laws to assist families with getting their loved ones safe and on medication when in throws of extreme psychosis. Laws should empower families to save loved ones from ending up babbling homeless people talking to themselves and pissing their pants, not empower someone to live their life according to the voices in their head.

The problem was in the past, these just empowered families to do things like lobotomize their relatives for being embarrassments, like Rosemary Kennedy or Frances Farmer, to list two famous examples, although lots of not-so-famous people got treated even worse. Just because it's a family claiming they need a family member locked up doesn't mean their motivations are good.

I do think we should find a middle ground between how things are now and how they were, but it's hard to know exactly where to strike the balance, and there's no political will to do anything at all currently.

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

The problem was in the past, these just empowered families to do things like lobotomize their relatives for being embarrassments, like Rosemary Kennedy or Frances Farmer, to list two famous examples, although lots of not-so-famous people got treated even worse. Just because it's a family claiming they need a family member locked up doesn't mean their motivations are good.

I do think we should find a middle ground between how things are now and how they were, but it's hard to know exactly where to strike the balance, and there's no political will to do anything at all currently.

Oh I do understand that, the reason the laws are so ridiculous now is due to over compensating to try and rectify the totally horrible way psychiatric facilities were abused in the past. We went from one extreme to another.

You can read many cases of women getting locked in a looney bin for a decade because a husband decided he wanted to fuck a girlfriend and the wife complained.

I think schizophrenia is the one condition that should be treated differently when it comes to the laws about mandated treatment. It’s worked well in many European countries. Most other mental illnesses have a lot of grey area when it comes to behavior and ability to live.

No one wants to do anything because it’s expensive as fuck and the people in the most need can’t advocate for themselves. Severe mental illness is the orphan of the mental health advocacy groups who want to remove stigma and hate confronting the worst case scenarios.

Never forget one of the biggest foes of mandated psychiatric treatment are Scientology organizations. They’ve spent quite a bit of money to prevent precedents being set in courts for more nuanced treatment laws and to defeat legislation.

 

[AnOminous]

I think schizophrenia is the one condition that should be treated differently when it comes to the laws about mandated treatment.

The problem with schizophrenia, specifically paranoid schizophrenia, is resistance to treatment is one of its primary features. Also people with it are generally higher functioning than non-paranoids and often evade detection or can otherwise manipulate the system. Confounding it is that there are also utterly delusional people who espouse nonsensical conspiracy theories who aren't mentally ill at all, but would appear to be if you just read their gibberish.

 

[Least Concern]

Change laws to assist families with getting their loved ones safe and on medication when in throws of extreme psychosis. Laws should empower families to save loved ones from ending up babbling homeless people talking to themselves and pissing their pants, not empower someone to live their life according to the voices in their head.

You're being vague. Give me a concrete example of such a law. "Person X must/must not do Y, or else they can be arrested and fined/imprisoned."

You're doing something many people do when they say stuff like "there oughtta be a law" and "the government should help these people" by (apparently) not considering how that platitude would come to be in terms of concrete action by a government and the obstacles that action might face in the real world.

 

[LastOfTheMohicans]

There's actually a form of OCD called "Pedophile OCD" (POCD) where one worries incessantly about the thought that they are a pedophile, even though they clearly aren't and have no intentions of ever harming a child. It sounds like a load of BS, but when you consider people who were sexually abused as children, it makes a lot more sense. Essentially, they're worried they will become their abusers.

Here's an explanation of the condition, and here's some more information about it. While OCD and schizophrenia are entirely different conditions, the thoughts regarding pedophilic behaviour stem from the same source -- paranoid delusions.

Sounds similar to something I saw on the Joe Rogan podcast recently.

Wish I had time codes, but in the podcast where Jake "The Snake" Roberts was the guest he mentioned a few times how his father was a child rapist, and because of that history he refused to get too close to his own daughters until he got over it.

I believe the quote was something along the lines of "I couldn't even hold my daughter in my lap until she was 21 because I thought I might do to her what I learned my father was doing to other kids."

 

[Chupe Limon]

I just came to this thread to pay respects to this man. I've been following him and his antics from /g/ and I've always held him to heart. I believe his mental illness got in the way of his greatness, as he never truly meant to harm anyone, just show them the way of what he believed to be the righteous path.

RIP Terry A Davis, I hope God has reserved a place for you up there.
1969-2018.

F.

 

[Hornets]

I believe the quote was something along the lines of "I couldn't even hold my daughter in my lap until she was 21 because I thought I might do to her what I learned my father was doing to other kids."

Pair that kind of mindset with extreme paranoid delusions and you have someone that will vocalize their fears of being a pedophile in such a way that it sounds like they're admitting they're a pedophile.

 

[whitepumpkin]

Oh Lord, I just finished watching the Down the Rabbit Hole and it wasn't just a punch in the feels. It was a full on rocket launching K.O. Starting off with it being weird, then when Kiwi Farms came in, his livestreams, and his 16 Bit Elephant it got to be amusing as hell. Like instantly you couldn't help but laugh because he was harmless but clearly missing something upstairs. You got why people would take a shine to him. Until his mental degradation started to erupt. Then the homelessness. And the deterioration. Like many previous farmers, I teared up quite the bit. Even more when I remembered I actually read about him some ages ago as an oddity and knowing this was his end really gets you in the feels.

It's sad to witness how fast he fell apart and his moments of lucidity where you could see the clock winding, but the gears just stop after a few seconds. How he had classic twitches schizophrenics get and the fucking sadness in his voice. Like goddamn. Terry, you deserved better, but now you're programming in the sky. Hopefully your offerings and hymns will be played out and appreciated even more.

Shine on you crazy Diamond. You truly deserve paid F respects.

 

[AnOminous]

It's sad to witness how fast he fell apart and his moments of lucidity where you could see the clock winding, but the gears just stop after a few seconds. How he had classic twitches schizophrenics get and the fucking sadness in his voice. Like goddamn. Terry, you deserved better, but now you're programming in the sky. Hopefully your offerings and hymns will be played out and appreciated even more.

What a lot of people don't know, partly thanks to A Beautiful Mind whitewashing him, was that John Forbes Nash engaged in a lot of fairly reprehensible behavior himself when he was deep in schizophrenia, even if he wasn't entirely responsible for it. A lot of it was sexual in nature. If Terry had been just slightly more treatable, he'd probably have been in the same plane.

 

[AmpleApricots]

I believe the quote was something along the lines of "I couldn't even hold my daughter in my lap until she was 21 because I thought I might do to her what I learned my father was doing to other kids."

I wanna mention here that in cases of compulsive thoughts like those therapy can actually be often very successful.

What I would've liked to see for Terry was a good social and mental healthcare network, with which both he would probably not only be still alive but also probably doing better. I don't wanna say his doctors and therapists made mistakes because I'm not in any place to judge what happened there and how cooperative he was being, I just think that the social circumstances in which he lived made this end for him a lot more likely.

 

[Jill Kews]

Well damn. Wasn't expecting this, nor my post being the centerpiece example of the online mourning in the aftermath. An excellent and heartbreaking documentary on the life, death, and legacy of one of the internet's most tragic geniuses. I laughed, I cried, it moved me Fred.

 

[RadicalCentrist]

What I would've liked to see for Terry was a good social and mental healthcare network, with which both he would probably not only be still alive but also probably doing better. I don't wanna say his doctors and therapists made mistakes because I'm not in any place to judge what happened there and how cooperative he was being, I just think that the social circumstances in which he lived made this end for him a lot more likely.

It is a grave mistake to assume that any particular case of schizophrenia is treatable. We do not know as much about the human brain as Big Pharma implies in their ads.

that John Forbes Nash engaged in a lot of fairly reprehensible behavior himself when he was deep in schizophrenia, even if he wasn't entirely responsible for it.

How bad we talking about? You have a source?

 

[AnOminous]

It is a grave mistake to assume that any particular case of schizophrenia is treatable. We do not know as much about the human brain as Big Pharma implies in their ads.

How bad we talking about? You have a source?

Nothing monstrous, and a lot of it could be chalked up to schizophrenia.

https://www.theguardian.com/film/filmblog/2012/dec/19/a-beautiful-mind-john-nash

It more would have been non-Hollywood friendly than gotten him jailed.

 

[I am a nigger]

Terry was unironically a good programmer, his moments of clarity and sanity proved that. I know this is more a testament to my sentimentality, but I miss the guy.

 

[LordofCringe7206]

I just watched Fredrik's documentary. I have to say, I kind of got choked up a little watching it. I never really followed Terry's antics, but it still managed to get to me. His story is practically an epic about a person with genuine talent going down the sad destructive path of mental illness.

Rest in peace Terry. I hope you have finally found some peace wherever you are.

 

[Suck the Cock]

You're being vague. Give me a concrete example of such a law. "Person X must/must not do Y, or else they can be arrested and fined/imprisoned."

You're doing something many people do when they say stuff like "there oughtta be a law" and "the government should help these people" by (apparently) not considering how that platitude would come to be in terms of concrete action by a government and the obstacles that action might face in the real world.

What is this, a formal debate? We're a bunch of shitposters on a meme forum, not politicians. We not allowed to see the obvious gaps in certain medical systems without having a 5-step plan?

There's lots of easy answers to the problem, but they all come with drawbacks of their own, that I'm sure someone would be able to go on a libertarian rant about. Probably the best solution is to let Schizophrenics select a caregiver when they're at their most lucid, which would solve some, but not most, of these sorts of cases. Anything more complicated requires experience in the field and with the law. So, I guess, nobody is allowed to think about anything more complicated than that?

 

[Edelweiss]

I admit to shedding tears at the end. I still am not over it even though this was months ago now when I found out.

It's so weird the internet makes it possible for me to feel like I lost a friend when it was logically speaking a random guy I never met and likely was never even going to meet. This was the best sendoff he could have asked for, and I kind of feel he might be watching over and smiling.

I think it affects us all so deeply because we see a little bit of ourselves in Terry. Weirdos who never quite fit in so we bury ourselves in the digital world. Except in spite of his illness, in spite of all the fucked up things Terry said and endured he persevered and tried to build something. He showed us that there is no excuse to not try.

I don't believe his suicide was him giving up. I believe Terry was able to break the chains of his illness for just a brief moment and took his opportunity to free himself. Terry didn't let that fucking illness continue to slowly whittle him down. He went out on his own terms, he went out like a man.