Ferguson Decision

Time to bug out with my right wing militia gang. Meet me up at the mall, we'll start up New Randallstan.
 
Baseem's camera was stolen during the protest. Crazy to watch in real time. Does anyone else have any other direct feeds?
 
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Been watching this feed for a couple hours actually... this is absolutely insane. This one guy has been dodging tear gas, flashbangs, and rubber bullets all in one night. Seriously, this guy has been getting footage than any of the national or local news had been getting.
 
The Decision seems wrong to me, the question is was their evidence that if believed by a jury that a conviction could be entered, not was the accused guilty beyond a reasonable dough. Clearly when it get to some of the eyewitness testimony there seems to me to be issues which should have been tested at trial
 
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serdog said:
The Decision seems wrong to me, the question is was their evidence that if believed by a jury that a conviction could be entered, not was the accused guilty beyond a reasonable dough. Clearly when it get to some of the eyewitness testimony there seems to me to be issues which should have been tested at trial
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The threshhold for probable cause to indict is higher in police cases, I think. Otherwise you would have hundreds of them for things like this every year.
 
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serdog said:
The Decision seems wrong to me, the question is was their evidence that if believed by a jury that a conviction could be entered, not was the accused guilty beyond a reasonable dough. Clearly when it get to some of the eyewitness testimony there seems to me to be issues which should have been tested at trial
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You might have a point, but you'd get it across a lot better if you were burning a Kentucky Fried Chicken down.
 
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“Atticus–” said Jem bleakly.
He turned in the doorway. “What, son?”
“How could they do it, how could they?”
“I don’t know, but they did it. They’ve done it before and they did it tonight and they’ll do it again and when they do it — seems that only children weep.”
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To Kill a Mockingbird was written over 50 years ago and it's still relevant.
 
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Couple things: I'm a former defense attorney in a very racially-charged area, and I'm not interested in discussing Ferguson at length, because the whole thing's a mess and I don't really come to these forums for these kinds of conversations.

That said, something doesn't add up with this fucking prosecutor.

In a grand jury hearing, the prosecutor basically calls the shots regarding what evidence is introduced. This is one of the biggest annoyances of (and, depending on whom you ask, a legitimate problem with) the system, because there is the prevailing sense that the prosecution can manipulate a certain outcome.

The outcome he wants, obviously, is to establish probable cause and take the thing to trial. And probable cause was served up to him on a silver platter: an unarmed suspect, six goddamn shots fired, eyewitnesses who contradict the cop's testimony, and disagreement between the various medical examiners. This is not my opinion. This is all he needed to indict Darren Wilson, police officer or no.

So what the hell happened?

He dumped all the evidence he had on the table. Words cannot express how little sense this makes -- it is a massive, mind-boggling red flag. Now the jury isn't reviewing the basic facts and wondering "hey, does this warrant further investigation?" but instead pawing through mountains of junk irrelevant to this stage of the process. This is exactly the kind of exploration the prosecution doesn't want and it's in fact their job to avoid it.

More confusing still is the decision to let Wilson testify. This is, again, unusual and stupid, and something you save for the trial. It is not the purpose of this hearing to determine innocence or guilt, it is to review facts and establish probable cause. His testimony puts a face on the defense and humanizes it. It makes the jury consider his story. In other words, the cat let the mouse talk him out of dinner.

None of this makes an iota of sense. Before today I couldn't conceive of the level of incompetence displayed by this prosecutor, and yet here we are. There's something very funny in the water in that courthouse.
 
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Organic Fapcup said:
I'm sorry, but is it bad that I think this whole thing is just an incredibly stupid shitshow any way you see it?
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Not really. I don't have much of an opinion because I don't know who's in the right here and I'm not about to keep myself awake at night thinking about it. I live in a city where a far worse, far more one-sided crime of a similar nature was committed recently and yet this, this Ferguson incident, is the one that gets national attention. That's enough to make me step back, fold my arms, and raise an eyebrow at the motives behind the Ferguson protests.

I'm all for one-sided race incidents not happening with the depressing regularity that they do. But I'll be the only one protesting the shooting in my own city as an example of that, whereas everyone else is focused on protesting a shooting where the victim was not 100% blameless, and that's enough to make me step out of the cause.
 
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He dumped all the evidence he had on the table. Words cannot express how little sense this makes -- it is a massive, mind-boggling red flag. Now the jury isn't reviewing the basic facts and wondering "hey, does this warrant further investigation?" but instead pawing through mountains of junk irrelevant to this stage of the process. This is exactly the kind of exploration the prosecution doesn't want and it's in fact their job to avoid it.
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It seems to me that he did almost a full trial, That plus the fact the Prosecutor is known to be extra close to police makes be wonder about misconduct
 
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It seems to me that he did almost a full trial, That plus the fact the Prosecutor is known to be extra close to police makes be wonder about misconduct
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Misconduct In America? Please.
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