Ferguson Decision

RACE WAR

http://www.ustream.tv/Channel/BassemMasri

 

[exball]

Misconduct In America? Please.

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How DREADful.

I'll show myself out.

 

[DC 740]

I don't know if anyone here really cares but working in a small family business and seeing what has happened to these stores really hit me hard. Some big corporations can cut their losses but I know if we had a bunch of looters come through our place of work we'd all be done. The Ferguson Market & Liquor store has been hit twice in all of this, and if you follow the link you'll see the business owner in his store having just been looted (from last night). He and others, even if the community has shown itself to be complete horse shit, could use some help right now so I'd like to throw a link out.

https://www.heronetwork.com/wish/home?id=1526898

You can call me a retard or whatever for spamming this, even if you can't/don't/won't donate just let people know it is around.

Now back to your scheduled shitposting.

 

[Flowers For Sonichu]

None of this makes an iota of sense. Before today I couldn't conceive of the level of incompetence displayed by this prosecutor, and yet here we are. There's something very funny in the water in that courthouse.

The Prosecutor's Dad was a cop who was killed by a black guy. This is his personal way of getting revenge.

 

[Shokew]

This is clearly racially motivated - the whole thing was... Those people have every right to be standing up to the police state, and that's just IMHO - as much as it really feels more like a FACT.

 

[Holdek]

Couple things: I'm a former defense attorney in a very racially-charged area, and I'm not interested in discussing Ferguson at length, because the whole thing's a mess and I don't really come to these forums for these kinds of conversations.

That said, something doesn't add up with this fucking prosecutor.

In a grand jury hearing, the prosecutor basically calls the shots regarding what evidence is introduced. This is one of the biggest annoyances of (and, depending on whom you ask, a legitimate problem with) the system, because there is the prevailing sense that the prosecution can manipulate a certain outcome.

The outcome he wants, obviously, is to establish probable cause and take the thing to trial. And probable cause was served up to him on a silver platter: an unarmed suspect, six goddamn shots fired, eyewitnesses who contradict the cop's testimony, and disagreement between the various medical examiners. This is not my opinion. This is all he needed to indict Darren Wilson, police officer or no.

So what the hell happened?

He dumped all the evidence he had on the table. Words cannot express how little sense this makes -- it is a massive, mind-boggling red flag. Now the jury isn't reviewing the basic facts and wondering "hey, does this warrant further investigation?" but instead pawing through mountains of junk irrelevant to this stage of the process. This is exactly the kind of exploration the prosecution doesn't want and it's in fact their job to avoid it.

More confusing still is the decision to let Wilson testify. This is, again, unusual and stupid, and something you save for the trial. It is not the purpose of this hearing to determine innocence or guilt, it is to review facts and establish probable cause. His testimony puts a face on the defense and humanizes it. It makes the jury consider his story. In other words, the cat let the mouse talk him out of dinner.

None of this makes an iota of sense. Before today I couldn't conceive of the level of incompetence displayed by this prosecutor, and yet here we are. There's something very funny in the water in that courthouse.

Yeah, and plus the prosecutor almost seemed to relish the exoneration of the officer during his press conference. Not sure how normal that is.

 

[Shokew]

Yeah, and plus the prosecutor almost seemed to relish the exoneration of the officer during his press conference. Not sure how normal that is.

It's not normal - I can't stress enough that this was all an act of racism brought on by a corrupt police force who thinks they can push minorities around. And it's our faults for allowing this shit to go down.

Why do I say all of this? Because racism is not dead and never has been - and worst of all, there are too many people out there who keep allowing it. And the worst of them... they are in power to allow it to fester like this. Overall, it's our faults for not taking these assholes down accordingly.

 

[Holdek]

It's not normal - I can't stress enough that this was all an act of racism brought on by a corrupt police force who thinks they can push minorities around. And it's our faults for allowing this shit to go down.

Why do I say all of this? Because racism is not dead and never has been - and worst of all, there are too many people out there who keep allowing it. And the worst of them... they are in power to allow it to fester like this. Overall, it's our faults for not taking these assholes down accordingly.

I think it's much more likely that it's a structural, conflict of interest problem. You're having elements of the criminal justice system being entrusted to investigate other elements of the same, local criminal justice system.

 

[Shokew]

It clearly didn't work this time, hence why citizens are rioting, for example...

 

[Kamen Rider Black RX]

Jesus Fucking Christ. Can American cops be held liable for anything?

 

[KingofManga420]

Jesus Fucking Christ. Can American cops be held liable for anything?

Nope.

Meanwhile in better places on Earth, http://www.pri.org/stories/2013-12-03/iceland-grieves-after-police-kill-man-first-time-its-history

 

[BT 075]

I don't know enough about the Michael Brown case to really pick a side here, although I have heard and seen enough weird things involving the police to question their version of events at least a bit. Fact of the matter is, a guy was shot by a cop, the circumstances are shady and people are, understandably, mad.

Regardless of what happened and whether or not Wilson is guilty, Michael Brown's supporters aren't exactly helping his case by going crazy and rioting in the street, race-warring it up like a bunch of black Tyce's. Surely that's not the way. You want to protest the way black people are treated as criminals by default by the police? Great, go ahead and protest. Write mad letters, use the social media, go on strikes, sign in petitions, get politicians and journalists involved... but committing crimes and damaging the property of innocent citizens isn't the way to go about it. They call you criminals, they kill you for being criminals, and you fight this injustice by... committing more crimes?

I mean seriously, I get the emotion and all that but riots isn't the way. All it does is give people more reasons to dismiss you as a bunch of thugs, and isn't that the opposite of what you are trying to achieve?

 

[Holdek]

I don't know enough about the Michael Brown case to really pick a side here, although I have heard and seen enough weird things involving the police to question their version of events at least a bit. Regardless of what happened and whether or not Wilson is guilty, Michael Brown's supporters aren't exactly helping his case by going crazy and rioting in the street, race-warring it up like a bunch of black Tyce's. Surely that's not the way. You want to protest the way black people are treated as criminals by default by the police? Great, go ahead and protest. But committing crimes and damaging the property of innocent citizens isn't the way to go about it. They call you criminals, they kill you for being criminals, and you fight this injustice by... committing more crimes?

I mean seriously, I get the emotion and all that but riots isn't the way. All it does is give people more reasons to dismiss you as a bunch of thugs, and isn't that the opposite of what you are trying to achieve?

Most of them aren't even from Ferguson. They are outsiders made up of a criminal element that wants to loot with impunity plus Occupy Wall Street-type SJWs egging them on. And they don't have to live in the aftermath of a destroyed town.

 

[Marvin]

I think it's much more likely that it's a structural, conflict of interest problem. You're having elements of the criminal justice system being entrusted to investigate other elements of the same, local criminal justice system.

Yeah, I agree with this. Whoever investigates violations of police authority, they should be completely disconnected from the police themselves.

I don't know enough about the Michael Brown case to really pick a side here, although I have heard and seen enough weird things involving the police to question their version of events at least a bit. Regardless of what happened and whether or not Wilson is guilty, Michael Brown's supporters aren't exactly helping his case by going crazy and rioting in the street, race-warring it up like a bunch of black Tyce's. Surely that's not the way. You want to protest the way black people are treated as criminals by default by the police? Great, go ahead and protest. But committing crimes and damaging the property of innocent citizens isn't the way to go about it. They call you criminals, they kill you for being criminals, and you fight this injustice by... committing more crimes?

I mean seriously, I get the emotion and all that but riots isn't the way. All it does is give people more reasons to dismiss you as a bunch of thugs, and isn't that the opposite of what you are trying to achieve?

Eh, people riot for all sorts of things. Like sports. I really can't criticize people for rioting over cops killing black people.

Cops are killing black people at rates on par with lynchings during Jim Crow. If there's anything to riot about, that'd be something.

 

[Shokew]

I'm leaving this here - because it seems I may have been ignorant myself...Though I stand on some of my opinions on how much this all sucks, this sounds like a real eye - opener at some points. Emphasis on some.

 

[Artard]

I don't know enough about the Michael Brown case to really pick a side here, although I have heard and seen enough weird things involving the police to question their version of events at least a bit. Fact of the matter is, a guy was shot by a cop, the circumstances are shady and people are, understandably, mad.

Regardless of what happened and whether or not Wilson is guilty, Michael Brown's supporters aren't exactly helping his case by going crazy and rioting in the street, race-warring it up like a bunch of black Tyce's. Surely that's not the way. You want to protest the way black people are treated as criminals by default by the police? Great, go ahead and protest. Write mad letters, use the social media, go on strikes, sign in petitions, get politicians and journalists involved... but committing crimes and damaging the property of innocent citizens isn't the way to go about it. They call you criminals, they kill you for being criminals, and you fight this injustice by... committing more crimes?

I mean seriously, I get the emotion and all that but riots isn't the way. All it does is give people more reasons to dismiss you as a bunch of thugs, and isn't that the opposite of what you are trying to achieve?

This gets re-posted around whenever something like this happens. Some people just want to smash shit, some people just want free shit, but there are many who get swept up and it's pretty easy to say you'd never do that. I hope I wouldn't. Pretty sure that under the right circumstances, I could.

 

[Gothicserpent]

I am outraged, saddened, furious, and scared by the outcome of this "Trial".

 

[Organic Fapcup]

From what I gather, the autopsy report seems to imply that Michael did, in fact, go for the cop's gun (blackpowder residue on his thumb IIRC), and didn't run away at all (no gunshot wounds on his back). It seems to point towards justified self-defense. At this point, the riot seems akin to a bunch of children throwing a tantrum and using "muh racism" as an excuse to play the victim. Ridiculous.

 

[Shokew]

From what I gather, the autopsy report seems to imply that Michael did, in fact, go for the cop's gun (blackpowder residue on his thumb IIRC), and didn't run away at all (no gunshot wounds on his back). It seems to point towards justified self-defense. At this point, the riot seems akin to a bunch of children throwing a tantrum and using "muh racism" as an excuse to play the victim. Ridiculous.

Sigh... And all I wanted was to believe these riots had meaning of some kind, like pointing out how police brutality is a serious issue that is tearing the US apart alongside racism. Pathetic, really - and it's only going to give incentive to creating a massive police state, just to promote the good intentions of cops utilizing military force and brutality as a means to keep peace. It's just BS.

 

[QI 541]

From what I gather, the autopsy report seems to imply that Michael did, in fact, go for the cop's gun (blackpowder residue on his thumb IIRC), and didn't run away at all (no gunshot wounds on his back). It seems to point towards justified self-defense. At this point, the riot seems akin to a bunch of children throwing a tantrum and using "muh racism" as an excuse to play the victim. Ridiculous.

I don't think it's possible to know what really happened unless you were there. It's a bit tin-foily, but people can lie, even on autopsy reports.

 

[Flowers For Sonichu]

From what I gather, the autopsy report seems to imply that Michael did, in fact, go for the cop's gun (blackpowder residue on his thumb IIRC), and didn't run away at all (no gunshot wounds on his back). It seems to point towards justified self-defense. At this point, the riot seems akin to a bunch of children throwing a tantrum and using "muh racism" as an excuse to play the victim. Ridiculous.

He was a half a football field's length away when the fatal shot was fired.