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Furry Fandom and Drama General
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Someone help me find my glasses, because I can't see anywhere here that anyone said anything remotely similar to "it is cool to fiddle kids". Maybe you got turned around in the Tommy Tooter sub.
God Bless.
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This was initially very confusing to me and I didn't see this addressed elsewhere but Gorehund isn't Narmin, my dude. Gorehund is a close friend of ArtKour but Narmin is a completely separate person. If you're gonna dig dirt, make sure you got the right grave.
EDIT: Just so you know I'm not full of shit gorehund's history/dox found here https://kiwifarms.net/threads/furry-fandom-and-drama-general.1102/page-409#post-3372915
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Are you sure? Because it seems like everyone else who's talking about the situation is dead-set on Gorehund being Narmin. You got a link to prove it isn't because now I'm equally confused
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They're different people, dude. Try again.
This is Narmin
This is Robin/Gorehund. She's in a relationship with Mallory/Wolfbound as seen in the link in my previous post, not ArtKour.
Check the originator of the drama if you still can't see it:
https://twitter.com/CordialPrince
https://archive.li/Rpzc2
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The girl's ability to relay information is piss poor at best which is why I was confused.
Didn't see the link to the thread until after I posted my response
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Her piss-poor communication actually is the A-#1 reason I'm super skeptical of all her unhinged accusations so that's entirely fair
EDIT: Just gonna put it here so I don't post twice in a row but what also makes me intensely skeptical about all of this is 1- she's absolutely bonkers her twitter is a mess of her being just crazy and exceptional and 2- Well...this
For context, the White lion is Narmin, the orange dog is ArtKour, and the weird horse thing is CordialPrince. Cheating sucks ofc but it just points to jilted ex lashing out, but also it's pretty hilarious that this person has a fucking illustrated sequence of what they're buttmad about lol
It also kinda makes you wonder about the dogfuckery because if Cordial had stayed happily in the relationship, would she have said anything about the dogfucking? HMMM
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She probably got dumped for being bat shit insane but bat shit insane people typically attract other nuts so I'm willing to at least give credibility that she dated an animal fucker based on that.
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Didn't think of it that way, you got a point there
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That's SpottyJaguar and MoltenGold and they are extremely harmless and stay in their own corners of the fandom. I follow them because both have amazingly nice art to look at and they're nice people to talk to and get to know. They gave that warning days ago that they wanted to explore different kinks and taboo shit and to be honest, I don't have a problem with it since they tend to keep all of it to in a closed circuit type setting (the incest thing is very much a personal thing between them). It would be different if it were Pkrussl or someone else doing that shit because lol attention but these two are just attracting heat because furries don't like taboo things that aren't pedophilia or rape. So it's not much drama as it is people now complaining that they're doing different things from the norm and exploring shit. This is a non-issue.
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thanks for clarifying this, gorehund is on a different level of crazy but i don’t think dog fucking is apart of it.Her piss-poor communication actually is the A-#1 reason I'm super skeptical of all her unhinged accusations so that's entirely fair
EDIT: Just gonna put it here so I don't post twice in a row but what also makes me intensely skeptical about all of this is 1- she's absolutely bonkers her twitter is a mess of her being just crazy and exceptional and 2- Well...this
For context, the White lion is Narmin, the orange dog is ArtKour, and the weird horse thing is CordialPrince. Cheating sucks ofc but it just points to jilted ex lashing out, but also it's pretty hilarious that this person has a fucking illustrated sequence of what they're buttmad about lol
It also kinda makes you wonder about the dogfuckery because if Cordial had stayed happily in the relationship, would she have said anything about the dogfucking? HMMM
and honestly i’ve yet to see anything come from artkour besides knowing or associating with wild__life.
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>furries renting out theaters for Zootopia
>furries blowing rent money on Bad Dragon dongs
>furries drawing terabytes of porn of Pokemon
"In the furry community, mass produced products aren't the star of the show."
Also I love that "Pack Mentality" is unironically a heading on this document. And the phrase "we know that sex is human, it's animal, it's human-animal" is something that I pray sounded better in the head of the person who wrote it but they chose to word it very badly.
>furries blowing rent money on Bad Dragon dongs
>furries drawing terabytes of porn of Pokemon
"In the furry community, mass produced products aren't the star of the show."
Also I love that "Pack Mentality" is unironically a heading on this document. And the phrase "we know that sex is human, it's animal, it's human-animal" is something that I pray sounded better in the head of the person who wrote it but they chose to word it very badly.
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I did this on my own volition and to see about that smatterbrains person myself and just what their whole "ideology" was about this subject. I know I know, "something something, interacting with cows is detrimental to the user" but this was interesting to say in the least. I've blotted my shit out but I mean, lol.
Some of the replies I screenshotted earlier
It's alright if you feel put off or disturbed by certain subjects. Everyone does obviously but to demonize someone for exploring certain subject through obvious fiction and through characters is shortsighted and downright fucked up and perpetuates I guess, censoring of specific topics because it might make someone sad. I'm really big on artistic freedom if the person is NOT harming anyone else (physically and I guess emotionally as well) and SpottyJaguar has replied in many comments that they know exactly why people dislike the words and terms and that they personally like them because they are NOT others. That is very reasonable and it makes sense.
Molten does bring up a good point (please forgive me for stanning for these guys but I really think that this is unfair to a couple who keep their shit to themselves and if other people like it, then they're grateful for the audience and support regardless of intent). The only right answer other than to not play is that this is not any of your business and if you don't like it, leave or shut up. Seems very easy to understand, right?
I'll post my reply to the post for context. Name's blotted out and excuse the minor tweet storm. When I need to type up a concise reply, the word limit always trips me up. The post order is very obvious.
After this reply, they replied to more of what I said. These are gonna be out of order but I don't think it'll matter. But these replies just told me everything that I and everyone else obviously knew. At this point, I'm just showcasing.
I was actually working on my reply to this post when they blocked me. I was fucking around for a little while with it.
Vagueposting because it's the swan call of all those who have a shitty argument and are called out on it and can't refute or sway.
After this i just fucked around for shits and giggles and got bored because they're just sitting around and waiting for replies. I don't understand why furries and just people in general feel the need to police each other's creativity. Well for furries it's more, you're not drawing what the group deems safe/hot/for me so it's problematic/bad but I will always be boggled by it all. Again, forgive me for putting in the effort to drive this cow to pasture for these replies but it's just something that gets me. If the person's not bothering you or anyone physically or mentally (the latter on purpose) then you look like a dick for butting into their business. They're adults who keep their universes to themselves and put content out to monetize it and not make a statement or whatever. They're honestly very self aware furries which you know is very rare and sometimes an oxymoron. So forgive my autism on this but if furries wanna witch hunt, they never aim for the obvious shit and fuck over other people who purposefully stay in their lane.
Some of the replies I screenshotted earlier
It's alright if you feel put off or disturbed by certain subjects. Everyone does obviously but to demonize someone for exploring certain subject through obvious fiction and through characters is shortsighted and downright fucked up and perpetuates I guess, censoring of specific topics because it might make someone sad. I'm really big on artistic freedom if the person is NOT harming anyone else (physically and I guess emotionally as well) and SpottyJaguar has replied in many comments that they know exactly why people dislike the words and terms and that they personally like them because they are NOT others. That is very reasonable and it makes sense.
Molten does bring up a good point (please forgive me for stanning for these guys but I really think that this is unfair to a couple who keep their shit to themselves and if other people like it, then they're grateful for the audience and support regardless of intent). The only right answer other than to not play is that this is not any of your business and if you don't like it, leave or shut up. Seems very easy to understand, right?
I'll post my reply to the post for context. Name's blotted out and excuse the minor tweet storm. When I need to type up a concise reply, the word limit always trips me up. The post order is very obvious.
After this reply, they replied to more of what I said. These are gonna be out of order but I don't think it'll matter. But these replies just told me everything that I and everyone else obviously knew. At this point, I'm just showcasing.
I was actually working on my reply to this post when they blocked me. I was fucking around for a little while with it.
Vagueposting because it's the swan call of all those who have a shitty argument and are called out on it and can't refute or sway.
After this i just fucked around for shits and giggles and got bored because they're just sitting around and waiting for replies. I don't understand why furries and just people in general feel the need to police each other's creativity. Well for furries it's more, you're not drawing what the group deems safe/hot/for me so it's problematic/bad but I will always be boggled by it all. Again, forgive me for putting in the effort to drive this cow to pasture for these replies but it's just something that gets me. If the person's not bothering you or anyone physically or mentally (the latter on purpose) then you look like a dick for butting into their business. They're adults who keep their universes to themselves and put content out to monetize it and not make a statement or whatever. They're honestly very self aware furries which you know is very rare and sometimes an oxymoron. So forgive my autism on this but if furries wanna witch hunt, they never aim for the obvious shit and fuck over other people who purposefully stay in their lane.
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These people don’t realize that the people they need to be worried about aren’t the ones who understand their interests are problematic and can separate fiction from reality. They put both together in one fell swoop, which is pointless and helps no one. You may want to purge the fandom of everything problematic, but you’re never gonna stop people from being interested in dark themes, in macabre, in the obscene, because it’s human interest to want to explore things. I mean hell, at least SpottyJaguar is giving a heads up to everyone and is gonna use every tool available to them to basically content-warn, and they think that’s not enough? That because they’re a big artist, they have a moral responsibility to not explore what they want to?
What sucks is that this is basically all up to be misconstrued anyway. The people who just want to get off to “problematic kinks” will get what they want, and the people who just enjoy darker themes will appreciate a favorite artist of theirs doing so, but the artist, as thoughtfully as they might explore the subjects, will still be criticized as feeding the former only. Neither side “wins,” and no one is right or wrong.
Sorry this turned into a long stream of consciousness. My point is that people need to stop trying to be fandom messiahs with their holier-than-thou truths about Right and Wrong, but they’re also right in that the shitty people who just want to get off to nasty shit get what they want. No one wins, we just all have to assume we’re grown up enough to accept that, and a lot of people in the fandom, frankly are not.
What sucks is that this is basically all up to be misconstrued anyway. The people who just want to get off to “problematic kinks” will get what they want, and the people who just enjoy darker themes will appreciate a favorite artist of theirs doing so, but the artist, as thoughtfully as they might explore the subjects, will still be criticized as feeding the former only. Neither side “wins,” and no one is right or wrong.
Sorry this turned into a long stream of consciousness. My point is that people need to stop trying to be fandom messiahs with their holier-than-thou truths about Right and Wrong, but they’re also right in that the shitty people who just want to get off to nasty shit get what they want. No one wins, we just all have to assume we’re grown up enough to accept that, and a lot of people in the fandom, frankly are not.
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I agree with you 100%. I don't mind some shade or whatever thrown towards an artist that does fucked up or problematic things and they're just blatant about it in a disgusting way but its another thing entirely to paint curiosity and personal interest as wrong and problematic just because something happened to you personally. There's a right and wrong way of selfishness and the artist taking up a personal interest of them is the right selfish. Art is a selfish pursuit naturally and people are all different in one way or another. My own curiosity is based on the same macabre, dark themes like abuse, assaults, all of that because that's me. That's what interested me when I started to learn about it on my own accord. Flawed characters are always an attention getter; that's just a well known fact.
The wrong type of selfish, as you see, is the entire "well you shouldn't do this beause it's problematic". "You aren't thinking about the people who have gone through this and might be very upset by this." "These themes should not be normalized and you're doing a disservice to do that." That's not up for you to tell the creator and the insouciance of it all is shocking. Yes, if your customer base is providing your income, they do have some clout because thats their money you're being given however, never did Spotty say that's all they were going to draw. All of that will be personal art for them and they've listened to suggestions on all of it. It's one thing to criticize and another to demand and there's way more of the latter than the former.
Then you have the whole thing where people seem to have a hard time differentiating fiction and reality and being brainlets with "wuh-wuh-wuh-well if they work with these subjects, they MUST condone them irl." If you look through all of their social media, their submissions, their text posts and see absolutely nothing that entails that they support shit like pedophilia or beastiality, why do they now all of a sudden seem to be ok with it? A lot of people draw shit they don't agree with or care about for money in the same way a lot of people do jobs they don't wanna fucking do for a paycheck. There's an entitlement on the internet that needs to be liquidated because it's really starting to get out of hand. We are in the timeline where you can have your entire career ruined because you have an interest in learning about the psychology of a rapist or how the mind works with serial killers.
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Posting all this here as I gather archives for the Narmin / Artkour / Gorehund drama. Getting a better feel for what's going on but aside from Matuska & Kintari, I haven't really heard any new names regarding zoophile connections. Someone DID say that Kintari had a close relationship to the Zoo Crew though. Maybe start there.
https://archive.is/ONTht
https://archive.is/pBLJ6
https://archive.is/9L7d6
https://archive.is/mTvu8
https://archive.is/OvdGL
https://archive.is/wSUJ5
https://archive.fo/aqKK9
https://archive.is/KfQG8
https://archive.is/ZqNws
https://archive.is/RFb6w
https://archive.is/bCe7k
https://archive.is/NsMAE
https://archive.is/a9gMf
https://archive.is/dtMVN
https://archive.fo/FL719
https://archive.fo/yjfGz
Imgur:
https://web.archive.org/web/20190122073543/https://imgur.com/a/7Wm1sXm
Pastebin
https://archive.is/1nDKd
https://archive.is/ONTht
https://archive.is/pBLJ6
https://archive.is/9L7d6
https://archive.is/mTvu8
https://archive.is/OvdGL
https://archive.is/wSUJ5
https://archive.fo/aqKK9
https://archive.is/KfQG8
https://archive.is/ZqNws
https://archive.is/RFb6w
https://archive.is/bCe7k
https://archive.is/NsMAE
https://archive.is/a9gMf
https://archive.is/dtMVN
https://archive.fo/FL719
https://archive.fo/yjfGz
Imgur:
https://web.archive.org/web/20190122073543/https://imgur.com/a/7Wm1sXm
Pastebin
https://archive.is/1nDKd
Corn Chippies
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Smatterbrain does shit like this constantly for pity points and to get people to buy her ugly ass characters. "Boo hoo someone didn't agree with me, give me $40"
The worst part is it works, because furries.
Kintari has a whole website dedicated to catching him out on shitty behavior. I don't know who made it. (dog fucking warning. Also he's apparently a vet tech too)
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Kintari was mentioned by Levi Simmons in his chats with Tane. He was in one of the zoosadism chats Levi ran.
If he's still a vet tech it's likely he's supplying these people with drugs to help them abuse animals.
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Wtf man why did I click that....
Please no.
Please no.
He had to have lost his job by now, right?
Also should we move this discussion to the Zoosadism megathread considering the context we have now?
Edit: Yeah, we should probably move this to the Zoo Crew thread. It gets worse as now Bad Dragon founder has been caught fucking lizards
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