Arin Hanson / Egoraptor / Grump - "Hey I'm Grump!" of Game Grumps fame, hypocritical SJW doxer, shat himself recording a let's play

[Terrorist]

Note how all the gamer ecelebs tend to unravel in their 30s. It's almost as if doing funny voices over vidyagaems isn't meaningful work, and being an arrested development 35 year old boy is unhealthy. Living like that is setting yourself up for one hell of a midlife crisis.

 

[angelsfirefox]

Note how all the gamer ecelebs tend to unravel in their 30s. It's almost as if doing funny voices over vidyagaems isn't meaningful work, and being an arrested development 35 year old boy is unhealthy. Living like that is setting yourself up for one hell of a midlife crisis.

what your talking about is called burnout and it can effect everyone regardless of job your just cherry picking I can think of a few movie stars and ceos that experienced a burnout and calling gamers 35 old children nice I wonder if you would say the same about moviestars and actors.

 

[Tobias]

what your talking about is called burnout and it can effect everyone regardless of job your just cherry picking I can think of a few movie stars and ceos that experienced a burnout and calling gamers 35 old children nice I wonder if you would say the same about moviestars and actors.

Yeah its not like we saw everyone involved with TGWTG, DSP, Wings, (etc) prove hoe thats exactly how it works.

 

[angelsfirefox]

Yeah its not like we saw everyone involved with TGWTG, DSP, Wings, (etc) prove hoe thats exactly how it works.

not saying it isn't just saying that just applying this to gamers is narrowminded its like saying I cant lose weight even though I exercise everyday and trying to solve it by only looking at one part of the problem exercising instead of cutting back. And yes this does happen with other entertainment media if you had just said that their burnt out I would have agreed. But then you had to use a example that could equally be applied everywhere else just cause people like video games doesnt make them children and there are plenty of channels that dont do funny voices and are chugging along just fine as a lets play channel.

 

[Muncie Anderson]

This guy got to voice act in a Cartoon Network series and you complain about him?.......how sad are you people

I'm surprised you didn't throw a public temper tantrum about him getting a role that you thought you deserved.

 

[AlmightyMagichan]

not saying it isn't just saying that just applying this to gamers is narrowminded its like saying I cant lose weight even though I exercise everyday and trying to solve it by only looking at one part of the problem exercising instead of cutting back. And yes this does happen with other entertainment media if you had just said that their burnt out I would have agreed. But then you had to use a example that could equally be applied everywhere else just cause people like video games doesnt make them children and there are plenty of channels that dont do funny voices and are chugging along just fine as a lets play channel.

Settle down Beavis

 

[angelsfirefox]

Settle down Beavis

just wondering why he doesnt consider gaming a real job not really all that excited but I guess that is how it comes across in text

 

[OmnipotentStupidity]

just wondering why he doesnt consider gaming a real job not really all that excited but I guess that is how it comes across in text

Okay, let's just say gaming on a couch is a real job on YouTube and pretend that stability won't come crashing down in on itself, despite even Arin and Dan saying the exact opposite in their 2019 Update video, and completely ignore channels like Super Best Friends Play or TheRunawayGuys

Would you say gaming on a couch with a friend on YouTube would or should require:

- A "Creative Director "(Vernon)
- A "Game Development Company" (the Dream Daddy crew consisting of 12 previous members of Vernon's HotPepperGaming, alongside other potential people picked up for their 2-3 new upcoming games)
- A "Manager" (Brent)
- "Workplace Interns/Writers/Social Media Managers" (Jack, Allie, Tyler (the new writer that was flown in from Texas))
- An "Industry Skit Editor" (Tucker, hired solely for Ten Minute Power Hour)
- An "Onsite Brand Animator" (Krooked_Glasses)
- A "Financial Advisor" (Suzy Berhow)

Mind you, these are all roles that were given and stated by Arin, Dan, and others on the current and former staff (not taking into account replacements to roles over the past three years, such Brian being replaced by Allie, or Kevin being replaced by Matt, Ryan, and Tucker, whom previously took over for Barry due to being overworked). And not taking into account separate business ventures such as Real Good Touring or Good Game, as well as other unknowns that were involved with failed projects under the Game Grumps, such as The G Club.

Consider for a moment that maybe the reason they're burnt out is because they cannot physically take on all of these ventures at once, whilst using their "job" playing games as their main source of all income.

A plight that which people whom never done Let's Plays and are currently some of the highest subscribed/watch channels on all of YouTube have stated is currently affecting their income and is more unstable than it's ever been.

And that maybe, just maybe, some people on the Internet not liking a guy and cherrypicking what he says are not the reason their show needed such a drastic change or has been put into the position of, and I quote this from Dan himself, "not wanting to fire their friends due to changes in the algorithm that [they] are not informed of".

 

[AlmightyMagichan]

If Suzy changed her job to "Youtube Algorithm Adviser" and actually did some work she could be of value to the business.

 

[angelsfirefox]

Okay, let's just say gaming on a couch is a real job on YouTube and pretend that stability won't come crashing down in on itself, despite even Arin and Dan saying the exact opposite in their 2019 Update video, and completely ignore channels like Super Best Friends Play or TheRunawayGuys

Would you say gaming on a couch with a friend on YouTube would or should require:

- A "Creative Director "(Vernon)
- A "Game Development Company" (the Dream Daddy crew consisting of 12 previous members of Vernon's HotPepperGaming, alongside other potential people picked up for their 2-3 new upcoming games)
- A "Manager" (Brent)
- "Workplace Interns/Writers/Social Media Managers" (Jack, Allie, Tyler (the new writer that was flown in from Texas))
- An "Industry Skit Editor" (Tucker, hired solely for Ten Minute Power Hour)
- An "Onsite Brand Animator" (Krooked_Glasses)
- A "Financial Advisor" (Suzy Berhow)

Mind you, these are all roles that were given and stated by Arin, Dan, and others on the current and former staff (not taking into account replacements to roles over the past three years, such Brian being replaced by Allie, or Kevin being replaced by Matt, Ryan, and Tucker, whom previously took over for Barry due to being overworked). And not taking into account separate business ventures such as Real Good Touring or Good Game, as well as other unknowns that were involved with failed projects under the Game Grumps, such as The G Club.

Consider for a moment that maybe the reason they're burnt out is because they cannot physically take on all of these ventures at once, whilst using their "job" playing games as their main source of all income.

A plight that which people whom never done Let's Plays and are currently some of the highest subscribed/watch channels on all of YouTube have stated is currently affecting their income and is more unstable than it's ever been.

And that maybe, just maybe, some people on the Internet not liking a guy and cherrypicking what he says are not the reason their show needed such a drastic change or has been put into the position of, and I quote this from Dan himself, "not wanting to fire their friends due to changes in the algorithm that [they] are not informed of".

no but thats all the more reason it is a job and again there plenty examples of lets plays surviving the test of time the only thing that changes are they slow down or they dont game as much but you can say that about movies and other media and also while I do like to say its always been there lets play as a thing really only started on youtube and the subscriber thing at least for me personally is watching someone else play a game is something I dont do that much anymore unless I want to see if its a good game or to see what I missed or even to see how some people handled the exact same thing as me differently two friends on the coach as a format is something people like cause they want to see friends or at least people they perceive as friends play things and give there opinion on them and game grumps is a job a completely workable job there just pushing themselves to hard like working at a warehouse and taking those extra work hours and then wondering why your so tired at the start of the next week

 

[Stephanie Bustcakes]

no but thats all the more reason it is a job and again there plenty examples of lets plays surviving the test of time the only thing that changes are they slow down or they dont game as much but you can say that about movies and other media and also while I do like to say its always been there lets play as a thing really only started on youtube and the subscriber thing at least for me personally is watching someone else play a game is something I dont do that much anymore unless I want to see if its a good game or to see what I missed or even to see how some people handled the exact same thing as me differently two friends on the coach as a format is something people like cause they want to see friends or at least people they perceive as friends play things and give there opinion on them and game grumps is a job a completely workable job there just pushing themselves to hard like working at a warehouse and taking those extra work hours and then wondering why your so tired at the start of the next week

Do you know what punctuation is and how it's used?

 

[angelsfirefox]

Do you know what punctuation is and how it's used?

yes I do but I believe that they just slow you down

 

[AlmightyMagichan]

yes I do but I believe that they just slow you down

Looks like you and Arin have the same level of quality control.

 

[angelsfirefox]

Looks like you and Arin have the same level of quality control.

well isn't that funny instead of arguing with me about what is and isn't a job and how or why not lets play channels can be considered a job you instead go after my grammar so im just goin to to assume that you agree with my above statements and your just nitpicking about my grammer choices ty ;]

 

[OmnipotentStupidity]

no but thats all the more reason it is a job and again there plenty examples of lets plays surviving the test of time the only thing that changes are they slow down or they dont game as much but you can say that about movies and other media and also while I do like to say its always been there lets play as a thing really only started on youtube and the subscriber thing at least for me personally is watching someone else play a game is something I dont do that much anymore unless I want to see if its a good game or to see what I missed or even to see how some people handled the exact same thing as me differently two friends on the coach as a format is something people like cause they want to see friends or at least people they perceive as friends play things and give there opinion on them and game grumps is a job a completely workable job there just pushing themselves to hard like working at a warehouse and taking those extra work hours and then wondering why your so tired at the start of the next week

Okay you can like it all you want, but none of this answers the question of: if they're overworking themselves like a warehouse pumping out content, why not just do what other channels have done, cut out any unnecessary filler that they're not even keeping up to begin with, and focus on the literal namesake of the channel?

The only thing stopping themselves from overworking...is them overworking themselves. Which is why the update video was even a thing.

Can you actually name at least one Let's Player/group of Let's Players or really any entertainer on YouTube has corporatized and expanded their content to such a scale that hasn't ended in either people leaving out of frustration, a downsizing in employees, or the entire thing completely collapsing in on itself, or that haven't already made the switch to Twitch? Or that has ever experienced in that time such massive controversies and arrogance that it's started to affect them like it has the Grumps' livelihood, content, and reputation to this much of an extent?

You even say here that you watch them or any Let's Players anymore aside from them playing games you're interested in, and that others have had to slow down content production in order to stay afloat; how can your job be stable when by these YouTubers' own admission and output, they cannot produce the same amount of videos and are not making as much money as their previous schedule. It can't be for the personality if it's as you say, and if they're not playing games people want to see, then...what's the point of watching in the first place? Why do you think the numbers and shows these past 3 years have been declining at such a fast rate?

If the content isn't reaching enough people, or people start giving less of a shit, it doesn't matter what you like or don't like. I like Artifact, doesn't change the fact that that game lost 97% of people out of complete disinterest and brand tarnishing...and that's from an already established video game company; you are never too big to fail, and thinking anything won't go wrong or pretending that everything's fine because you deem it so won't change that. Especially when you willingly will proclaim you are part of that issue.

EDIT: Also.

well isn't that funny instead of arguing with me about what is and isn't a job and how or why not lets play channels can be considered a job you instead go after my grammar so im just goin to to assume that you agree with my above statements and your just nitpicking about my grammer choices ty ;]

...He didn't even start talking to you until then nor was he the one you were arguing with - the fuck are you on about?

 

[That Dumb Derp]

well isn't that funny instead of arguing with me about what is and isn't a job and how or why not lets play channels can be considered a job you instead go after my grammar so im just goin to to assume that you agree with my above statements and your just nitpicking about my grammer choices ty ;]

He's implying that your quality control is poor and scrambled. Punctuation isn't just important for "slowing people down" or whatever the fuck you're on about, it's so that people don't get a giant fucking headache from the written equivalent of a stroke. Besides the point, assuming that because they're not arguing about a specific subject you disagree with means they agree with you is just... exceptional beyond belief. But to move onto another point...

no but thats all the more reason it is a job and again there plenty examples of lets plays surviving the test of time the only thing that changes are they slow down or they dont game as much but you can say that about movies and other media and also while I do like to say its always been there lets play as a thing really only started on youtube and the subscriber thing at least for me personally is watching someone else play a game is something I dont do that much anymore unless I want to see if its a good game or to see what I missed or even to see how some people handled the exact same thing as me differently two friends on the coach as a format is something people like cause they want to see friends or at least people they perceive as friends play things and give there opinion on them and game grumps is a job a completely workable job there just pushing themselves to hard like working at a warehouse and taking those extra work hours and then wondering why your so tired at the start of the next week

The fact of the matter is that Arin and Danny have already admitted that Let's Playing really isn't a job. Hence, how they branch off into other forms of content creation for their real money.

Furthermore, nobody can realistically put out the amount of content necessary to make Let's Play a fully sustaining job. Certainly, it's easier and possibly more profitable than say, getting animation done, but Let's Play always assumes people will want to watch the game you're playing.

In addition, burnout doesn't exactly explain how Arin, who had legitimately bright prospects barely even a decade ago, is essentially letting himself go down the shitter and straying away from a lot of what he was known for.

It also really doesn't explain how much of a scumbag he actually is, with a large chunk of his time in Game Grumps serving as an exercise in "Was Arin's opinion on this thing legitimate, or did he fake that shit long ago? Was he legitimately frustrated with unclear game design, or does he have the awareness of a lemming?

 

[angelsfirefox]

He's implying that your quality control is poor and scrambled. Punctuation isn't just important for "slowing people down" or whatever the fuck you're on about, it's so that people don't get a giant fucking headache from the written equivalent of a stroke. Besides the point, assuming that because they're not arguing about a specific subject you disagree with means they agree with you is just... exceptional beyond belief. But to move onto another point...


The fact of the matter is that Arin and Danny have already admitted that Let's Playing really isn't a job. Hence, how they branch off into other forms of content creation for their real money.

Furthermore, nobody can realistically put out the amount of content necessary to make Let's Play a fully sustaining job. Certainly, it's easier and possibly more profitable than say, getting animation done, but Let's Play always assumes people will want to watch the game you're playing.

In addition, burnout doesn't exactly explain how Arin, who had legitimately bright prospects barely even a decade ago, is essentially letting himself go down the shitter and straying away from a lot of what he was known for.

It also really doesn't explain how much of a scumbag he actually is, with a large chunk of his time in Game Grumps serving as an exercise in "Was Arin's opinion on this thing legitimate, or did he fake that shit long ago? Was he legitimately frustrated with unclear game design, or does he have the awareness of a lemming?

true I suppose but I was more talking about it from is it a job the answer is yes of course but its one of those high risk whim of fate kinda jobs where you always have to either be riding the newest titles or have a good personality that people want to hear talk about the game and also a bunch of other stuff I thin and this may be me just being a optimist but it might just be a act one he decided to keep carrying out no matter what people think of him one example that comes to mind is ocarina of time whether or not you think he likes or hates the game we would have to take his word for it I mean during ocarina of time he said majora mask was his favorite 3d game but that was the only 3d zelda title so far he rage quit on also we dont know what he is like behind the scens so for all we know even the moments caught on stream of his random stream of consciousness might not be the total picture of what hes like off camera there is no way to know for sure whether its a act or not the only people who might know would be jon or dan and I think both him and arin have reached a silent agreement to never mention each other again least in their newest videos

 

[Cyber Bowling]

My two cents, YouTube or Twitch or whatever are jobs. But the job aspect of it is less about playing video games and more about being an entertainer. Let's be honest, people are rarely tuning in just for the game, it matters way more who is playing the game/what you want out of the video/stream. Take a game like Sonic 06, you know it's bad and you want to watch an LP of it to see just how bad it is. There's a decent amount of options to choose from, but you're going to gravitate towards the person/group who you find most entertaining.

Now, sometimes that entertainment comes from watching someone who is generally good at a game, though I think that's really more of a Twitch thing with people streaming League and DOTA and other MOBA games. With them, the entertainment comes from watching someone who is really good at a game kicking ass. Personality doesn't matter because the person playing is usually too focused on fast pace gameplay to make jokes or whatever. IMO, this and a general esports career are the closest you come to being a professional video game player.

Anyway, Arin certainly does not fall into the pro gamer category, and to his credit, he's acknowledged many times that the video game portion of Game Grumps is just an excuse to get him and someone else on the couch together to do commentary. This is also part of why people prefer Danny over Arin, because Danny is rarely playing so he can focus solely on the commentary angle. One of Arin's problems is, despite saying the video game portion doesn't matter/swearing what they do isn't an LP, he started to focus a lot more on the gaming angle, and as it has been well established Arin not only sucks at video games, but he has a temper. Unless you enjoy the angry video gamer routine, the entertainment angle suffers because Arin is being salty and Danny is trying to awkwardly fill air. I also think they're just both running out of interesting stories to tell. Arin gets compared to DSP a lot, and this is another similarity. DSP lives a sheltered hermit life and just tells the same stories over and over. Arin, while having more material to work off of than DSP, seems like he's in a similar boat where he wasn't doing anything particularly interesting, or if he did, it was only enough to cover one or two recordings.

Again, I'll give Arin some credit for acknowledging the LP thing can't last forever and it seems like they tried to branch the Grumps brand into other shows and become general content creators and not just LPers. But, it sounds like they wasted a lot of money on frivolous/childish things, plus that doesn't change the fact Arin has a lot of cowish traits and is generally an immature manchild. If you still watch his stuff and enjoy it, cool. Arin being a tard isn't exactly new, but it doesn't change the fact that a lot of people here, myself included, enjoyed earlier Grump stuff.

 

[Meowthkip]

true I suppose but I was more talking about it from is it a job the answer is yes of course but its one of those high risk whim of fate kinda jobs where you always have to either be riding the newest titles or have a good personality that people want to hear talk about the game and also a bunch of other stuff I thin and this may be me just being a optimist but it might just be a act one he decided to keep carrying out no matter what people think of him one example that comes to mind is ocarina of time whether or not you think he likes or hates the game we would have to take his word for it I mean during ocarina of time he said majora mask was his favorite 3d game but that was the only 3d zelda title so far he rage quit on also we dont know what he is like behind the scens so for all we know even the moments caught on stream of his random stream of consciousness might not be the total picture of what hes like off camera there is no way to know for sure whether its a act or not the only people who might know would be jon or dan and I think both him and arin have reached a silent agreement to never mention each other again least in their newest videos

It was a mistake not threadbanning you earlier.

Please come back when you're capable of using punctuation and paragraph breaks, you small, small child.

 

[Rebis]

I don’t really think comparing views on JonTron/Game Grumps makes sense, as others have pointed out. However, what I would be interested in seeing is a comparison of GG to OneyPlays. What average percentage of Oney viewers view each video? I almost guarantee it’s higher than the number of Grumps subscribers that watch the average GG video.