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- Feb 21, 2018
It's cool, I love talking about my field because it's fucking crazy. I'mma spoiler because IDK how to shut the fuck up about this and don't want people to have to scroll past a tome.
Stating the obvious that I am neither a doctor nor a psychologist. Legit just a historian and my specialty is upper- to middle-class 19th century women in America poisoning their babies to get out of compulsory motherhood or be able to publicly mourn them for attention during the "Cult of Mourning" era, and/or starving themselves because "consumptive chic" and romantic suffering were the order of the day.
Other than just the fact that her stories are so fucking ridiculous no one could possibly believe her, my red flags with Kelly are:
1) that she doesn't just have a case of [disease], she has the worst, most mysterious case ever. During the anemia saga, she claimed to not know the source of her blood loss then when she gets too many questions, surprise, it's fibroids and heavy periods that she knew about all along. I still think she was "helping" it along by draining blood from the port because a lot of Munchausen by Proxy cases do that – they seek a port for the child's mysterious ailments then either use it to introduce a substance or to draw blood to induce anemia. Hope Ybarra, who was both a munchie faking cancer, diabetes, etc and a munchausen by proxy mom pretending her daughter had Cystic Fibrosis, did both and it's how she got caught.
Now Kelly allegedly has the worst case of Behcet's ever to exist even though her past history of self harm, the easiness of faking Behcet's (the only necessary symptom for diagnosis is unexplained ulcers in the mouth which, obviously, you can fake by chewing/burning/scraping the inside of your mouth and claiming you didn't plus at least a few other of the symptoms which include sores on the skin and genitals), and the fact that she has sores only in places that she can reach easily suggest that she is causing her problems. Probably by infecting her wounds and not allowing them to heal, although I don't think she's actually rubbing feces in them because fecal bacteria would be pretty easy to detect. If she's telling the truth for once and they put her on CellCept (wtf that's an anti-rejection drug for organ transplants; why they wouldn't use a more basic immune suppression drug like corticosteroids or cyclophosphamide if they thought she had autoimmune problems is beyond me but IANAD) she's got the advantage that her immune system is suppressed so any pathogen she can get her gross little hands on is going to take root. it will be a goddamned miracle if she gets out of the hospital without contracting c-diff or a nosocomial infection like that, and I bet she's fucking thrilled at the prospect.
2) she gets worse despite treatment, until she gets the most extreme treatment possible and can go no further without, like, dying. The surgery she just went under and skin grafts and whatever are about the end of the line before fucking amputation. If she wants to save her legs she has to stop and get better at least for a while. I don't think Kelly wants to lose her legs. Munchies tend to want to look the part and have all the trappings of a seriously ill person (central line, wheelchair, etc) but not suffer the consequences and will pull back from a particular claim if it gets "too real." Kelly is fucking extreme, though, and her "too real" came at a way later stage than any of the filthy casuals I follow on social media (I can't bring myself to follow Kelly because her disgusting legs popping up on my feed constantly would be a real problem for me).
3) Every time one disease is solved, another appears. The anorexia/self-harm saga turned into the anemia saga turned into the Behcet's saga. My timeline might be off there but frankly I don't care enough to look it up. She goes from one horrible affliction to another with no time between and no connection. So Behcet's is a form of autoimmune vasculitis, one of many autoimmune vasculitides for which we do not know the cause or the solution. We know how to treat it into remission, which is to use steroids and cancer drugs to suppress the immune system, but there's no cure and it can flare up again in the future, and will if you stop taking your medications. This is good for her because it means as soon as she gets better she can have a "flare up" and get worse all over again!
Had she been diagnosed with anemia, skin problems, anorexia, and like, kidney or lung problems, but then ended up with a diagnosis of Microscopic Polyangiitis that makes sense. MPA is another autoimmune vasculitis that causes all of those problems and is hard to diagnose and often mistaken for a billion other things (particularly anorexia when it happens in women) before they come to a final diagnosis and treatment. Anemia from fibroids that ends with surgery followed immediately by Behcet's does not make sense. These are not related conditions. Behcets neither causes or is caused by uterine fibroids. Not saying it couldn't happen but given everything else, I don't buy it.
4) She broadcasts everything all the time. If she was really sick and tired of the haydurs, she'd just shut down her social media or talk about anything else. But she wants attention, she wants people to comment on her festering legs and tell her how brave (or disgusting) she is. She absolutely adores that we have this thread on her. Negative attention is still attention. And she takes very show-offy photos if you know what I mean. Not just posing with the IV stand and a smile, but doing ballet with the IV stand, pretending to hold her nose while she looks at her rotting limbs, etc. Actually sick people get tired of the attention being sick brings them eventually. She also seeks to be in mainstream media and IRL attention, like when she went around a blood drive passing out thank you cards to everyone donating to save her, as if those people were donating just for special little Kelly.
5) She deliberately misleads with her claims and then has a convenient explanation. Like the "custom wheelchair" claim. Custom wheelchairs are a big win in the munchie world, like I said, and big munchie accounts like Chronically Jaquie have them. They all want what she has, which is a $10,000+ Tilite custom with SmartDrive. A few of them have gotten exactly the same custom chair she has. Kelly knows this, and that's why she used that exact phrase when she meant "the hospital is adjusting the transport chair so I don't fall since I can't use my legs to support myself."
Any one of these by itself isn't too fishy. The fact that all of them coexist suggest she's faking for attention. The one red flag I look for that Kelly doesn't have is the doctor shopping. And she might, IDK like I said (and despite what she believes), I don't follow her all that closely. It seems like, unlike the others I do follow who pick vague symptoms with little evidence, Kelly is way more happy to totally destroy her body to force them to treat her. Therefore, she doesn't have to doctor shop because she's really in need of medical treatment because of whatever she's done to herself. And she's happy with whatever she gets. She doesn't demand a specific treatment and freak out when she doesn't get it. She's happy as long as she can get something.
Question the Second: Like I said I mostly study people in the 19th century when doctors records weren't what they are now. But IRL a roommate of mine faked cancer twice (pre-social media era) and both times she had elaborate paperwork she claimed was from the local hospital that she would leave lying around our house. If I'm not mistaken her story blew up when someone found out there was no Dr. Whatever working at that hospital. For the social media era, the user ServiceDogColt faked medical insurance papers to justify why she needed a GoFuckMe to pay for "emergency meds" that her insurance didn't cover, and has been posting the same empty vial of IV drugs over and over again with the identifying numbers cut off to make it look like she keeps getting that script refilled. In a recent AMA on Reddit from a girl that was "bedridden" after an accident, she used a hospital's self-report portal to try to pass off a bunch of diagnoses. notice the text about how none of this would be added to her records and the "remove" option at the bottom of each item. This isn't a medical chart, it's a self-report portal. She also had photos of medications that were all identified as either OTC supplements, psych meds, or antacids, so that's hilarious. Aubrey had this recently. Note the date is 11/12/2019 which is, uh, in the future. She also strategically crops/redacts real medical documents to look like diagnoses of something far worse than they are – off the top of my head, she got a positive result for the chek2 mutation which carries an increased risk of cancer, and used it as proof that she had cancer. I seem to think she also faked other medical records related to Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome (a favorite in the munchie world) and more about the cancer in the past but I'm not finding any right now.
Most of them don't need fake medical records because they doctor shop until they find one who gives them the diagnosis they want, or they just say "I don't have to prove anything to you, haters! My doctors know what's best for me." Or they're people like JanJan (the raw life) who just exaggerate everything to the point where it's almost a parody. She made a big to-do about having keratosis pilaris aka bumpy skin as if it was a death sentence. Those are my favorites. I can't tell if she thought no one would look it up or she thought "I have the worst case ever!!" was enough to use it as an attention grab. Either way it's funny.
Question the Third: Ahh the great pet debate. I am about 50/50 on this one. Munchies do tend to go from harming themselves to harming a dependent, like the aforementioned Hope Ybarra who started by faking cancer thrice, then faked that her middle child had cerebral palsy, then that her youngest had cystic fibrosis before she finally got caught and imprisoned when she very nearly killed the baby. For the record, she's still munching away in prison, claiming deafness and diabetes. Chronically.Amy (not to be confused with Chronically.Ams who is also a munchie, jesus christ) now known as BelovedJourney on IG faked a veterinary emergency with her """"service dog"""" (read: barely-trained pet dog she brings in public places for attention), but the consensus on her seems to be that she never actually hurt the dog or brought it to the vet; she just used it to scam donations. ServiceDogColt and smoldogeandnerd or whatever the latter goes by both worked their """"Service Dogs"""" to the point of injury and continued to work them rather than let them heal, because the attention a service dog brings is way more important than the health of the dog. But I've not heard of someone deliberately harming their pet to get attention for having a sick animal. It's not the same as having a sick kid where you get the martyr status or the attention for having a child who is such a brave little fighter, or the attention and get-out-of-life-free card that being fake sick yourself gets you. If your cat is sick it's like "oh that's a shame, I know you love that cat. You gonna get a new one when he dies?"
Then again, I've also never seen a munchie who let her limbs rot off like Kelly has. In that respect she is kind of an anomaly. We've already established that she is batshit insane. Still, the only way I could see her harming the cat, the only creature who is around her willingly, would be if he suddenly started rejecting her love. She might have been testing the water to see if hurting Chompy got her the attention she craved and then thought better of it, or he could have been genuinely hurt in an accident and she posted about it because she posts about anything that ever happens to her that she can get attention and pity for. Cats are furry little aliens who try not to show they're sick or in pain so it's not uncommon to have one harboring an infection or injury who goes into hiding and the owners don't notice until he's on death's door.
If I had to take a firm stance, I'd say she didn't hurt the cat on purpose. She'd probably have to pay for vet bills unlike her free medical care through Canuckistan's healthcare program. She didn't try to use it to scam people out of money as far as I can tell. And unlike herself she seems to genuinely love and care for the cat. It's not obese, its hair is never greasy or matted even though it's so fluffy, it shows no signs of neglect or abuse. If the cat was always sick or hurt, I'd lean towards her doing it on purpose. But I'm currently leaning towards the cat jumped off of something, got hurt, and she just decided to milk the unfortunate accident for attention.
Other than just the fact that her stories are so fucking ridiculous no one could possibly believe her, my red flags with Kelly are:
1) that she doesn't just have a case of [disease], she has the worst, most mysterious case ever. During the anemia saga, she claimed to not know the source of her blood loss then when she gets too many questions, surprise, it's fibroids and heavy periods that she knew about all along. I still think she was "helping" it along by draining blood from the port because a lot of Munchausen by Proxy cases do that – they seek a port for the child's mysterious ailments then either use it to introduce a substance or to draw blood to induce anemia. Hope Ybarra, who was both a munchie faking cancer, diabetes, etc and a munchausen by proxy mom pretending her daughter had Cystic Fibrosis, did both and it's how she got caught.
Now Kelly allegedly has the worst case of Behcet's ever to exist even though her past history of self harm, the easiness of faking Behcet's (the only necessary symptom for diagnosis is unexplained ulcers in the mouth which, obviously, you can fake by chewing/burning/scraping the inside of your mouth and claiming you didn't plus at least a few other of the symptoms which include sores on the skin and genitals), and the fact that she has sores only in places that she can reach easily suggest that she is causing her problems. Probably by infecting her wounds and not allowing them to heal, although I don't think she's actually rubbing feces in them because fecal bacteria would be pretty easy to detect. If she's telling the truth for once and they put her on CellCept (wtf that's an anti-rejection drug for organ transplants; why they wouldn't use a more basic immune suppression drug like corticosteroids or cyclophosphamide if they thought she had autoimmune problems is beyond me but IANAD) she's got the advantage that her immune system is suppressed so any pathogen she can get her gross little hands on is going to take root. it will be a goddamned miracle if she gets out of the hospital without contracting c-diff or a nosocomial infection like that, and I bet she's fucking thrilled at the prospect.
2) she gets worse despite treatment, until she gets the most extreme treatment possible and can go no further without, like, dying. The surgery she just went under and skin grafts and whatever are about the end of the line before fucking amputation. If she wants to save her legs she has to stop and get better at least for a while. I don't think Kelly wants to lose her legs. Munchies tend to want to look the part and have all the trappings of a seriously ill person (central line, wheelchair, etc) but not suffer the consequences and will pull back from a particular claim if it gets "too real." Kelly is fucking extreme, though, and her "too real" came at a way later stage than any of the filthy casuals I follow on social media (I can't bring myself to follow Kelly because her disgusting legs popping up on my feed constantly would be a real problem for me).
3) Every time one disease is solved, another appears. The anorexia/self-harm saga turned into the anemia saga turned into the Behcet's saga. My timeline might be off there but frankly I don't care enough to look it up. She goes from one horrible affliction to another with no time between and no connection. So Behcet's is a form of autoimmune vasculitis, one of many autoimmune vasculitides for which we do not know the cause or the solution. We know how to treat it into remission, which is to use steroids and cancer drugs to suppress the immune system, but there's no cure and it can flare up again in the future, and will if you stop taking your medications. This is good for her because it means as soon as she gets better she can have a "flare up" and get worse all over again!
Had she been diagnosed with anemia, skin problems, anorexia, and like, kidney or lung problems, but then ended up with a diagnosis of Microscopic Polyangiitis that makes sense. MPA is another autoimmune vasculitis that causes all of those problems and is hard to diagnose and often mistaken for a billion other things (particularly anorexia when it happens in women) before they come to a final diagnosis and treatment. Anemia from fibroids that ends with surgery followed immediately by Behcet's does not make sense. These are not related conditions. Behcets neither causes or is caused by uterine fibroids. Not saying it couldn't happen but given everything else, I don't buy it.
4) She broadcasts everything all the time. If she was really sick and tired of the haydurs, she'd just shut down her social media or talk about anything else. But she wants attention, she wants people to comment on her festering legs and tell her how brave (or disgusting) she is. She absolutely adores that we have this thread on her. Negative attention is still attention. And she takes very show-offy photos if you know what I mean. Not just posing with the IV stand and a smile, but doing ballet with the IV stand, pretending to hold her nose while she looks at her rotting limbs, etc. Actually sick people get tired of the attention being sick brings them eventually. She also seeks to be in mainstream media and IRL attention, like when she went around a blood drive passing out thank you cards to everyone donating to save her, as if those people were donating just for special little Kelly.
5) She deliberately misleads with her claims and then has a convenient explanation. Like the "custom wheelchair" claim. Custom wheelchairs are a big win in the munchie world, like I said, and big munchie accounts like Chronically Jaquie have them. They all want what she has, which is a $10,000+ Tilite custom with SmartDrive. A few of them have gotten exactly the same custom chair she has. Kelly knows this, and that's why she used that exact phrase when she meant "the hospital is adjusting the transport chair so I don't fall since I can't use my legs to support myself."
Any one of these by itself isn't too fishy. The fact that all of them coexist suggest she's faking for attention. The one red flag I look for that Kelly doesn't have is the doctor shopping. And she might, IDK like I said (and despite what she believes), I don't follow her all that closely. It seems like, unlike the others I do follow who pick vague symptoms with little evidence, Kelly is way more happy to totally destroy her body to force them to treat her. Therefore, she doesn't have to doctor shop because she's really in need of medical treatment because of whatever she's done to herself. And she's happy with whatever she gets. She doesn't demand a specific treatment and freak out when she doesn't get it. She's happy as long as she can get something.
Question the Second: Like I said I mostly study people in the 19th century when doctors records weren't what they are now. But IRL a roommate of mine faked cancer twice (pre-social media era) and both times she had elaborate paperwork she claimed was from the local hospital that she would leave lying around our house. If I'm not mistaken her story blew up when someone found out there was no Dr. Whatever working at that hospital. For the social media era, the user ServiceDogColt faked medical insurance papers to justify why she needed a GoFuckMe to pay for "emergency meds" that her insurance didn't cover, and has been posting the same empty vial of IV drugs over and over again with the identifying numbers cut off to make it look like she keeps getting that script refilled. In a recent AMA on Reddit from a girl that was "bedridden" after an accident, she used a hospital's self-report portal to try to pass off a bunch of diagnoses. notice the text about how none of this would be added to her records and the "remove" option at the bottom of each item. This isn't a medical chart, it's a self-report portal. She also had photos of medications that were all identified as either OTC supplements, psych meds, or antacids, so that's hilarious. Aubrey had this recently. Note the date is 11/12/2019 which is, uh, in the future. She also strategically crops/redacts real medical documents to look like diagnoses of something far worse than they are – off the top of my head, she got a positive result for the chek2 mutation which carries an increased risk of cancer, and used it as proof that she had cancer. I seem to think she also faked other medical records related to Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome (a favorite in the munchie world) and more about the cancer in the past but I'm not finding any right now.
Most of them don't need fake medical records because they doctor shop until they find one who gives them the diagnosis they want, or they just say "I don't have to prove anything to you, haters! My doctors know what's best for me." Or they're people like JanJan (the raw life) who just exaggerate everything to the point where it's almost a parody. She made a big to-do about having keratosis pilaris aka bumpy skin as if it was a death sentence. Those are my favorites. I can't tell if she thought no one would look it up or she thought "I have the worst case ever!!" was enough to use it as an attention grab. Either way it's funny.
Question the Third: Ahh the great pet debate. I am about 50/50 on this one. Munchies do tend to go from harming themselves to harming a dependent, like the aforementioned Hope Ybarra who started by faking cancer thrice, then faked that her middle child had cerebral palsy, then that her youngest had cystic fibrosis before she finally got caught and imprisoned when she very nearly killed the baby. For the record, she's still munching away in prison, claiming deafness and diabetes. Chronically.Amy (not to be confused with Chronically.Ams who is also a munchie, jesus christ) now known as BelovedJourney on IG faked a veterinary emergency with her """"service dog"""" (read: barely-trained pet dog she brings in public places for attention), but the consensus on her seems to be that she never actually hurt the dog or brought it to the vet; she just used it to scam donations. ServiceDogColt and smoldogeandnerd or whatever the latter goes by both worked their """"Service Dogs"""" to the point of injury and continued to work them rather than let them heal, because the attention a service dog brings is way more important than the health of the dog. But I've not heard of someone deliberately harming their pet to get attention for having a sick animal. It's not the same as having a sick kid where you get the martyr status or the attention for having a child who is such a brave little fighter, or the attention and get-out-of-life-free card that being fake sick yourself gets you. If your cat is sick it's like "oh that's a shame, I know you love that cat. You gonna get a new one when he dies?"
Then again, I've also never seen a munchie who let her limbs rot off like Kelly has. In that respect she is kind of an anomaly. We've already established that she is batshit insane. Still, the only way I could see her harming the cat, the only creature who is around her willingly, would be if he suddenly started rejecting her love. She might have been testing the water to see if hurting Chompy got her the attention she craved and then thought better of it, or he could have been genuinely hurt in an accident and she posted about it because she posts about anything that ever happens to her that she can get attention and pity for. Cats are furry little aliens who try not to show they're sick or in pain so it's not uncommon to have one harboring an infection or injury who goes into hiding and the owners don't notice until he's on death's door.
If I had to take a firm stance, I'd say she didn't hurt the cat on purpose. She'd probably have to pay for vet bills unlike her free medical care through Canuckistan's healthcare program. She didn't try to use it to scam people out of money as far as I can tell. And unlike herself she seems to genuinely love and care for the cat. It's not obese, its hair is never greasy or matted even though it's so fluffy, it shows no signs of neglect or abuse. If the cat was always sick or hurt, I'd lean towards her doing it on purpose. But I'm currently leaning towards the cat jumped off of something, got hurt, and she just decided to milk the unfortunate accident for attention.
Sorry that was so long.
Like I said I don't know how to stop talking.Edit: clarity
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