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Found another Anti-CG video and personally, this one pisses me off the most. The guy is smug little shit that makes me wanna bash his face in. All strawman, ignorance,
I had time to give this a watch and only made it about three minutes in. The guy has the bad habit of many YouTubers of talking as if everyone knows who he is and is just dying to hear his opinion. And, yes, everything he has said so far has been dumb name-calling rather than reasoned discussion and it's probably not going to get any better.

Or, to put it another way,

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Detouring from giving Renfamous more attention, let's give attention to one of the biggest exceptional drama whores on the CG side of things: Mike S. Miller!

In which Mike S. Miller defaces a Mike Wieringo sketch with his own OC Donut Steel, claims he's going to publish it. It ends about as well as you'd expect it to. (Original link, since there's images and I don't have the time to screencap everything)

For those who don't know, Mike Wieringo (hereafter referred to as 'Ringo') was a popular comic book artist in the 90's and early oughts, having done countless work for Marvel, DC, and even had his own creator-owned series in 'Tellos'. He was also remembered for being a genuinely kindhearted guy as well. Sadly, he died suddenly in 2007 of essentially a heart attack, at the far too young age of 44. However, Ringo accomplished far more in his short time in the industry and on Earth than Miller ever could hope to.

The icing on the cake is that, according to /co/, when Miller tried to get asspats and validation from his CG buddies, even this forgery/defacing of Ringo's work went beyond the pale to them, and EVS dunked on Miller pretty hard.

So what does Miller do?
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Go full exceptional individual tantrum and burn the artwork, of course!

And here's the desuarchive of the /co/ thread from last night, too.
 

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How long until Ethan makes the big fall? I think he has the same sickness as all the other pros, he’s just on the other side of the political aisle. And I think the people saying it are absolutely right, he clearly needs people like Ren to come at him in order to keep his outrage fandom going. It’s a weird parasitic relationship that feels very cynical from the outside.

Honestly Meyer has proven again and again to be to more professional and competent of the two. He wanted to cause change in the industry, and when he realized that wasn’t going to happen he stopped engaging with lunatics on twitter. That has cost him immediate popularity and name recognition in the CG drama scene, but I think his life will be better off for it.
 
How long until Ethan makes the big fall?

I think he'll be okay as long as Cyberfrog gets done in the first half of 2019. Should it go much beyond that I can see the natives getting a bit restless. Especially since one of CG's points is how professional they're acting compared to the politically motivated hordes cluttering up the entire industry, from the Big 2 on down. I don't think anybody expects a comic book indiegogo to meet their announced deadline, but there is an expectation that it will get done eventually.

That has cost him immediate popularity and name recognition in the CG drama scene, but I think his life will be better off for it.

If we lived in a world not overrun by social media I'd agree with this. Nowadays, though? I'm honestly not sure. Seems to me a lot of people find an audience and cater to it as a profession. Look at the knuckleheads earning thousands of dollars a month on Patreon. People seem to be able to get away with this crap indefinitely.
 
Ethan needs reality-checked from time to time by his peers on his side. He hasn’t been getting that with his hugbox streams. And by peers, I mean guys like Zack & Cummings & Ernst. The actual commentators who, if they choose to make a product, will not rely on Ethan to signal boost it. Ethan has reverted in a lot of ways to how he was as an in-the-industry pro. But not completely. He’s salvageable.

As for Zack? I think a lot of his current tame behavior has everything to do with his lawsuit. When that finishes, he’ll probably get back to wreaking havoc on the industry & making pros cry into their telephones. He’s stuck in a holding pattern for as long as the court case takes. But with any luck, we’ll see some movement on that sometime soon. I don’t know what we’re even waiting on at the moment.
 
Especially since one of CG's points is how professional they're acting compared to the politically motivated hordes cluttering up the entire industry, from the Big 2 on down.
But that’s part of Ethan’s problem, I think. One of D&C’s big points from the start was that the current creators drive aways potential fans with their shit-flinging, and that those creators needed to be more respectful, even to those who politically disagreed with them. I always thought it was a bit unrealistic, but to his credit Meyer actually followed through. The more famous he’s gotten the more he’s stepped away from the slap fights and name calling of Twitter.

But Ethan, who is without a doubt a comics pro, has just gotten more and more drawn in to the eternal shit-flinging of Twitter. He’s constantly fighting with those he disagrees with. I’m sure you could argue he’s different in some way, but I’ve seen him say things that CG would harp on forever if somebody like Mags or Antos said it. And to be fair, constantly arguing has worked for him, just like it works for Ren or SJW Spidey. I just see him as the flipside of the coin to people like them.
 
As for Zack? I think a lot of his current tame behavior has everything to do with his lawsuit. When that finishes, he’ll probably get back to wreaking havoc on the industry & making pros cry into their telephones. He’s stuck in a holding pattern for as long as the court case takes. But with any luck, we’ll see some movement on that sometime soon. I don’t know what we’re even waiting on at the moment.

We're waiting on discovery and that's just on the jurisdictional issue. Nothing is going to happen immediately unless it's some kind of settlement. Anything particularly juicy is likely to be under seal and neither side appears in a great rush to violate orders like this for our amusement. If anything, that dipshit Zaid is the most likely to commit some huge public faux pas. Even he has been quiet lately, though.

The deposition will likely be the first major event where Waid actually gets to experience the "fun" of litigation, and that might be a come to Jesus moment where he realizes this isn't likely to go well.

Then there's the actual decision on jurisdiction. This is very unlikely to go Waid's way. If it does, though, it either goes to appeal or Meyer gives up.

Next, there's the inevitable motion to dismiss, probably under 12(b)(6) or the like. Again, if Meyer loses that, the case goes away or to appeal.

If both of these go Meyer's way, it sets the general tone for the rest of it, and both sides may have a pretty good idea of what the case is worth financially. That's when a settlement becomes very likely.

Next, there's more discovery on the general issue of the lawsuit itself. Depending on how much gets produced in the jurisdictional discovery, there might not be much of this. The case is not all that factually complex.

Then, at this point, there's likely to be motions by both sides for summary judgment. Again, anything short of a total win by either side sets the tone for settlement. Summary judgment is when the undisputed facts of the case decide it as a matter of law, and therefore, there is no need for a trier of fact (such as a jury), and the case can be decided by the judge.

If the case even gets that far, that's where it likely ends.

Only after all that is there anything like a jury trial, and again, you're looking at as long as a year after all this before it gets there. So Meyer may be quiet for a while. Part of the bummer of lawsuits is shut up is always the best advice, so once you get into it, you're in for the long haul.
 
Honestly Meyer has proven again and again to be to more professional and competent of the two.

Meyer was the outsider who desperately wanted to get into the industry. EVS was the insider bristling against his employer and coworkers. Their behavior is no surprise given their goals and motivations. The sad part is I think EVS would have preferred to focus on his youtube channel (and become another QuarterPounder/Sargon Acolyte), but was forced to pivot hard into comicsgate after the success of Cyberfrog.
 
Go full exceptional individual tantrum and burn the artwork, of course!
So to be clear, was that page the original Wieringo drawing? Did Miller draw on top of and then burn the original art by another artist, or was it just a tracing/copy?

Either way it's unhinged, but destroying a more revered artist's art out of first hubris and then spite is all the more.
 
So to be clear, was that page the original Wieringo drawing? Did Miller draw on top of and then burn the original art by another artist, or was it just a tracing/copy?

Either way it's unhinged, but destroying a more revered artist's art out of first hubris and then spite is all the more.

He took a pencil sketch layout by Ringo. He drew finishes over it. He inked over it. The pros sperged. He set the piece on fire. The original was gone once he started doing finishes over top of it as far as I’m aware.
 
So to be clear, was that page the original Wieringo drawing? Did Miller draw on top of and then burn the original art by another artist, or was it just a tracing/copy?

Either way it's unhinged, but destroying a more revered artist's art out of first hubris and then spite is all the more.

That, I haven’t been able to figure out. It’s heavily implied he defaced the original and thus burned it.

But, for as big of a fucking tool Miller is, I don’t think even he’d have the balls to admit he burned the original sketch. Ringo is practically a beatified saint to the old guard in the comics industry; Miller is already on the shit lists of people, admitting he burned Ringo’s art (albeit ruined with Miller’s garbage) would be a veritable death sentence.
 
You can catch Mike's hubristic 'hey I inked him back in the 90's, did I ruin his art then?' act of vandalism here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3mDo-IHs2Q&t=5525s (19:10 - 22:10)Where easily led Mike gets talked around.
He was going to light-box it but Malin goaded him into inking over the original, I love Malin, he's such a hilarious shit-stirrer.
Mostly I think he wanted to be able to use the art as a cover for Lonestar 2 pimping it as Ringo's last work.

Typical Mike 'I never saw a bad business decision I didn't jump on' Miller (*cough*The Meg*cough*). He has a talent for turning cash to ash.
You just know EVS would never have done that, and if he did it would have been accompanied by a bidding war over the fate of the piece and some sped would have paid 5oo bucks for a bag of ashes.

*Edited for spelling, apologies my slickdixia is showing...
 
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Detouring from giving Renfamous more attention, let's give attention to one of the biggest exceptional drama whores on the CG side of things: Mike S. Miller!

In which Mike S. Miller defaces a Mike Wieringo sketch with his own OC Donut Steel, claims he's going to publish it. It ends about as well as you'd expect it to. (Original link, since there's images and I don't have the time to screencap everything)

For those who don't know, Mike Wieringo (hereafter referred to as 'Ringo') was a popular comic book artist in the 90's and early oughts, having done countless work for Marvel, DC, and even had his own creator-owned series in 'Tellos'. He was also remembered for being a genuinely kindhearted guy as well. Sadly, he died suddenly in 2007 of essentially a heart attack, at the far too young age of 44. However, Ringo accomplished far more in his short time in the industry and on Earth than Miller ever could hope to.

The icing on the cake is that, according to /co/, when Miller tried to get asspats and validation from his CG buddies, even this forgery/defacing of Ringo's work went beyond the pale to them, and EVS dunked on Miller pretty hard.

So what does Miller do?
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Go full exceptional individual tantrum and burn the artwork, of course!

And here's the desuarchive of the /co/ thread from last night, too.


Has either EVS or Miller shipped their books out the the buyers yet or what?
 
Has either EVS or Miller shipped their books out the the buyers yet or what?
According to the IGG campaign, Lonestar (Miller's book) started printing on the 17th. No updates since then, but nobody complaining in the comment section either, so perhaps they have shipped. Cyberfrog: Blood Honey is still being drawn, as far as I know. Both books are overdue by a few months at this point.

Meyer's Jawbreakers: Lost Souls is also a few months overdue, but it started shipping last week. We'll probably start seeing toxic reviews by SJWs passing around a pirated scan soon.
 
According to the IGG campaign, Lonestar (Miller's book) started printing on the 17th. No updates since then, but nobody complaining in the comment section either, so perhaps they have shipped. Cyberfrog: Blood Honey is still being drawn, as far as I know. Both books are overdue by a few months at this point.

As long as they both have time to dedicate towards sperging out allover on Twitter/Youtube daily, it's fine if the premium priced products they sold is delayed months past the original release date.
 
Didnt mike get fired from DC for shit talking about Homo's back when SA was still funny? Not "I don't think they should marry." more "they should be excluded and shamed for perversion"?

Fun little article from back in the day about some of his antics
https://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/08/31/mike-s-miller-back-for-more-pinklisting/

Written by rich "Jyhad on comicgate" Johnson no less.

I remember he had a webcomic called electronic tigers which was neo-con dogshit as well. Funny how these people sort of folks continue to show up.
 
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He's not sorry at all, he's just sorry he got caught (note how he was all "hurrdurr I'm gunna do it" right up until Ringo's brother/executor, Matt, stepped in and firmly yet politely said "Please don't.") and couldn't find yet another way to fleece money from people. Note that he also monetized his "apology" stream, which while not the worst thing in the world... it's really shameless/tacky, given the circumstances.

That's the funny thing about S. Miller: apparently, despite being a staunch Christian, it would appear to me that he seems to favor and prioritize mammon over God. I have a feeling you lurk here, asswipe, so go read Matthew 6:24 again. Reeeeeeeally slowly this time, so the words might have a chance to soak through that blockhead of yours.
 
That Ringo rough was practically worthless as far as being sellable art to display. It was pretty loose and unremarkable, even with the pedigree of being by a beloved deceased artist. Mike owned it, he's a pro perfectly capable of rendering over it, so why not? If anything it was a tribute. The woke brigade is making it out like he defaced the fucking Mona Lisa.

Burning it was kind of dumb, but I get it. If nobodies and pros alike are going to lose their shit over this, better destroy it so it's erased from history, otherwise be harrassed forever as a ghoul if God forbid it sees print or profit.
 
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