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"Looks great", how the fuck is this great??

Talking about detransition, r/detrans recently post a survey about detransitions. Without surprise, a lot of them are young females.
https://www.reddit.com/r/detrans/comments/amuyg2/first_round_of_results_for_the_subreddit_survey/
Good find, I'd definitely expect more women than men to detransition. If women don't get hormone treatments or SRS, they can start dressing more feminine, grow their hair out, etc. and hopefully leave their troon phase in the past. More difficult if they were on hormones, but socially they can still recover.

Men, however, are a different story. While stopping hormones sounds easier, if you've had the chop you've irreversibly fucked up bigly. In addition, coming out as a woman probably nuked every single relationship they've ever had, and men already have smaller social circles than women on average. I think men are more likely to follow this to the end, sunk cost fallacy and what not.
 
It's more that the reasons women are trooning out don't pan out once they actually begin hormones.

There are a few rare AAPs out there, and they continue on just like AGPs, but women who just hate femininity or want to get into the Exclusive Trans Club to get the Exclusive Oppression Pass give themselves dysphoria and destroy their voices, not to mention discovering that masculinity does not in fact bring forth male privilege but rather now looking like a hairy, smelly, and usually obese ape with a busted chainsmoker voice, they've also lost their female privilege.
 
Men, however, are a different story.
..I think men are more likely to follow this to the end, sunk cost fallacy and what not.

It's quite sadly ironic that a lot of the 'old/er-school' transwomen are at their most masculine when they're attempting to be 'feminine' - what with that toxic, masculine stubborness and all.
 
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if they're only on HRT then it's really easy for an mtf troon to lay off the hormones and pass as a man again - just go back to wearing normal man clothes, stop talking with an artificial high-pitch voice, and you're good to go. sure, their hormone balance will probably be fucked up due to years of HRT, but they'll still look like regular men on the outside. no problem.

for ftm girls it's a lot harder though - even if they stop taking testosterone, they keep the deep voice and facial hair growth that it gives them. with that, it's going to be very hard to pass as a normal woman again.

(this assumes that no surgical work has been done. if they got shit cut off then they're obviously permanently ruined)
Maybe I wasn't clear, but I totally agree with you. The changes that testosterone have on women are irreversible, while men can stop estradiol and still obviously be men. I still think that socially women can more easily recover, even if they have hormonal and physical issues due to testosterone. A misguided woman who tried to become a man is going to be looked on more sympathetically than a man dressing like a woman and invading women's spaces. MtF transitions are social suicide to normal people, leaving them stuck in a prison-gay social sphere where everyone normal thinks you're a freak and only other MtFs and tranny chasers will fuck you. Granted, this all assumes that you don't cut anything off, as that's the point of no return.
 
These "doctors" should be arrested.

When will our politicians stop talking about 100% stupid shit like building walls and finally take some action?

Fuck conservatives and fuck Trump too. They are as much responsible for this as libtards.
Yeah, the people who only complain somewhat about this because they'll be deplatformed and shamed and called misogynistic are just as responsible for the people actually deplatforming and shaming people who speak out against it.

What a fucking stupid take. Fucking conservatives have been fighting this from the get go, and you are probably one of the people who called them all transmisogynist bigots for saying bruce jenner is a man.
 
https://old.reddit.com/r/asktransgender/comments/ao97nv/i_want_to_be_a_woman_at_30/
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What a fucking stupid take. Fucking conservatives have been fighting this from the get go, and you are probably one of the people who called them all transmisogynist bigots for saying bruce jenner is a man.

Conservatives cannot effectively fight trans activists because they're both coming from the same viewpoint of gender essentialism. Conservatives see a little boy playing with dolls and say it's wrong because men don't play with dolls. Trans activists see a little boy playing with dolls and say his birth gender is wrong because...men don't play with dolls. Little Timmy must have a female brain and was assigned the wrong gender at birth!

TERFs are the only ones who are sane on this point. Timmy can play with dolls and Sally can play with trucks and who gives a shit about it, really.
 
Conservatives cannot effectively fight trans activists because they're both coming from the same viewpoint of gender essentialism. Conservatives see a little boy playing with dolls and say it's wrong because men don't play with dolls. Trans activists see a little boy playing with dolls and say his birth gender is wrong because...men don't play with dolls. Little Timmy must have a female brain and was assigned the wrong gender at birth!

TERFs are the only ones who are sane on this point. Timmy can play with dolls and Sally can play with trucks and who gives a shit about it, really.
While I get what you're trying to say, I don't think that just because they're affected by horseshoe theory that it means they can't fight against TRAs. They might be hypocritical on one front but forcing Timmy to put the dolly down is not even close to the level of damaging as putting him on medications that will castrate him and turn his bones to dust in a decade's time.
 
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