Melanie Herring / Purplekecleon / PK / PapayaKitty / GlitchedPuppet / Ash Hazel Woods / Floraverse - Abusive, manipulative SJW artist whose ex-husband fucked a dog and teenagers and whose current husband thinks he's trans because of a TF fetish, admitted to fucking two dogs and letting her cat eat her out

[Really Now]

I'd like to point out that based on the two "insider" posters, and nothing else, it shows glip tells people completely different stories.

Yes, don't worry, I'm aware. I don't think anyone will report me to glip and eevee, those two haven't wanted to know anything about what goes on in this thread for a long time. As I mentioned, I've been concerned about glip since I first became a fan and found this thread. I just wanted to ignore it for the longest time, but I don't think I can anymore.

you all know by now ive been lurking for a long time. i usually alert the crew when something goes down. aside that, i usually moderate the comments on the floraverse sites.

glip is... super intense. I've seen people get hurt by just how intense they are. You've seen the recent updates. Imagine talking to someone like that.

once i got to know them i just liked the community alot. the people in it are mostly nice, save for a few that clashed with my personality, but thats really all there is to it. i like talking to glip about art and floraverse, as confusing as it can be at times. i enjoy it.

as for the abusiveness accusations, i havent really talked to them about anything like that. i was pretty shitty in my young teens to a handful of people too, and while its not as wild as the assumptions about glip are, i like to believe people change. glip hasnt shown an abusive side to me ever, and not to my friends or the other community members. i guess thats why i have a hard time understanding everything, but im still open for debate about it. i like to get my knowledge straight, and thats why im here.

 

[Kid Hard-on]

I'd like to point out that based on the two "insider" posters, and nothing else, it shows glip tells people completely different stories.

This is called triangulation and it's a tactic used by narcissists.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangulation_(psychology)

You can see that Glip has done this all the time in the past, as pengo described in their callout and how they responded to accusations against marl, ESPECIALLY EVIDENCED by their appeals to get people to talk to them personally to get the "full story" of something.

 

[Uncaught Tanuki Disguiser]

Good catch, @Really Now. I was thinking the same thing.

Here's something that's been bothering me for awhile:

The logs are almost certainly real. However, we also need to remember that when Marl said, "PK and I have been thinking about it" in regards to filming zoo-pedo-porn, Marl may have been lying. He might have wanted to make it seem like glip knew about this and supported this to put Bigfluff at ease. After all, if Bigfluff found out that glip didn't approve of what Marl was doing, that'd make her mistrust Marl, right?

So, it's -possible- that these two things could be true at the same time:

1. Glip knew Marl was into dogs
2. Glip did not know Marl was trying to recruit teens for zoo porn and would not have approved, had they known.

It might seem like I'm playing devil's advocate for glip. But in reality, this raises an even more troubling question:

If the above scenario were true, why couldn't glip just be honest about it? According to eevee, Marl eventually admitted that the logs were real. That could have been glip's opportunity to say, "Yes, it's true that my husband was preying on teenage readers of my comic. The logs are real. However, he was lying when he said I was in on it. I had no idea he what he was up to, and I believe he lied about my involvement to earn Bigfluff's trust. In the end, I'm still responsible for not believing Marl's victims sooner. I'm so sorry that I let things get this far, and that people were hurt because I believed Marl over them."

To me, this seems like the obvious PR move to make, whether glip is innocent or not. But they won't say it! They won't say, "the logs are real but Marl lied to Bigfluff." Instead their story was, "the logs are faked and its a conspiracy." Even now, they won't admit that the logs were real (eevee was the one to let that slip!) They won't apologize to the kids who originally tried to warn them. They won't turn Marl in to the police, even though he's a proven predator. In a way, glip is still protecting him. Why?

[CONSPIRACY THEORY TIME] Honestly I often wonder if Marl has some kind of dirt on glip. Maybe glip did something early in their marriage that they're not proud of, and Marl has proof of it. So in the end, Marl agreed to a divorce--but glip can never say what actually happened, or else Marl will retaliate.

Or maybe glip was just "in on it." Either way, this doesn't look good. If Marl was just lying, glip would have said so and thrown him under the bus. Instead, they've spun this wild tale about how Lain has had it out for them all these years just cause she got kicked out of a Discord server. And now that the lies have piled up, it's too late to apologize. There's really no coming back from this.

 

[CallieMarie]

I take it back turning on guest posting was a fantastic idea.

This is some great input that I never even considered.

 

[svankmayhem]

I'd like to ask a how PK's earlier works depicting children in super sexual situations, or even the act of intercourse itself, looks now that she keeps company with other pedotastic individuals. After being married to one and with her current SO defending CP, not to mention her admitting children being taught about sex by experienced adults is a turn-on.

And by how to looks I mean how it would appear to a non-kiwi or current fan of hers.

I'd like to add onto this--I'm curious about how Glip would react to being told that "coping" doesn't explain why she openly mocked people upset by her underage porn (the HxH Killua image in particular comes to mind) much less that if it was to cope, why was she putting it online for likes and views and to talk dirty with other people about it? That doesn't sound like an intensely upsetting subject as much as one she loved to indulge in and enjoyed until it brought her too much unwanted attention.

Coping mechanisms aren't always healthy and you can't excuse away everything you do with "Waahhh I'm using it to cope!!" Plenty of people lean hard into alcohol or drugs, but those aren't long term effective methods for dealing with underlying issues. And tying back to the likes and views-most people who cope in an unhealthy way are usually very ashamed of it and keep that shit as far away from human eyes as possible. They wouldn't be so gleeful to drag attention to it.

I'm curious if Glip would have anything further to add if confronted with that, or if she'd just get upset that you would dare question how she coped and how dare you victim blame her.

 

[Offthebus]

Hahaha, glips the wheel off a trainwreck that never stops turning

Everything starts from her with a post about pengo, spends a year making fun of him publicly with her friends til he finally replies, she goes off about how he's totally wrong about everything and how HE started it (while eevee sucks her dick) and how he is just evil and jealous of her amazing pokeporn dynasty, threatens to sue him, etc

Cue venting about him for ages, blaming him as totally unrelated accounts against marl spring up, then suddenly he takes his post down and she's soooo happy that pengo and her squashed beef... then when she realizes no one cares (because the big issue was her fuckbud diddling kids), she decides to talk him down again and alienating everyone who has a brain with her woke kiddy porn takes, then after marl FINALLY fucks off, she laments how pengo told her marl made him feel extremely uncomfortable (and how she totally didn't know what to believe!!!) trying to drum up victim points... while essentially confirming people had tried to talk to her about marl and she didn't listen.

Now we're back to square one with cryptic "my evil ex is the root of my problems" posts, despite the fact that he's barely done anything against her in like... What? Four years?
She keeps clinging to him as if her problems aren't caused by her inability to apologize and the company she keeps

It's no wonder no one else wants to talk about their experiences if a guy can be silent for years and glip will still find some way to flip

How does literally anyone excuse that as something a sane person does???

Anyway, this drama fest has more conflict and pacing than all of floraverse, so I'm extremely excited for sunday to witness the motherload of a 3deep5u pity party

 

[B Stands for Hugbees]

Gone for like 1 day, and all of this stuff is swung out. Quite glad we got another face here with a lot of info for us to gather. This oil drum needed more fuel other than Melanie and Alex's shitty tweets.

By the by, her new icon makes me feel so uncomfortable because of the positioning of it.

 

[Mossy]

Good catch, @Really Now. I was thinking the same thing.

Here's something that's been bothering me for awhile:

The logs are almost certainly real. However, we also need to remember that when Marl said, "PK and I have been thinking about it" in regards to filming zoo-pedo-porn, Marl may have been lying. He might have wanted to make it seem like glip knew about this and supported this to put Bigfluff at ease. After all, if Bigfluff found out that glip didn't approve of what Marl was doing, that'd make her mistrust Marl, right?

So, it's -possible- that these two things could be true at the same time:

1. Glip knew Marl was into dogs
2. Glip did not know Marl was trying to recruit teens for zoo porn and would not have approved, had they known.

I feel as if Glip definitely didn't know about Marl recruiting teens. She's always had this "open poly relationship", but she's the only one allowed to get side dick. I can't see her actually allowing Marl to maintain any sort of relationship with these teens without getting jealous and upset.

 

[ginny]

a simple answer to glip's unwillingness to just admit the truth, even if it would finally clear them of their name, could just be their narcissism/pride. they're clearly on the extreme side of the npd scale, and it's easy to delude yourself in the name of perceived protection (emotional or otherwise) when you're that mentally ill.

and hey, joop and needle felter! welcome to the thread. hope this sheds a light on your confusion - as a former fan that basically grew up on glip's art, it was hard as hell for me to get past the denial when i saw what the KF thread had to offer, but im really glad that i did. i hope that even if you come away mind unchanged, youll feel a little less confused about all of this

 

[YayLasagna]

96 hours
96 hours of my life spent reading.
Truly this cow will give me the milk I need for my cereal, my coffee, and my protein shakes for centuries to come.
Also belated welcome to the farms for @MRfive

 

[PorcupineTree]

I feel as if Glip definitely didn't know about Marl recruiting teens. She's always had this "open poly relationship", but she's the only one allowed to get side dick. I can't see her actually allowing Marl to maintain any sort of relationship with these teens without getting jealous and upset.

I find it hard to believe she didn’t notice. I think her frame of reference for what is and isn’t appropriate behavior with minors is jacked up. It’s preventing her from recognizing Marl’s behavior as a really bad thing. Children just weren’t a threat to her relationship, so the jealousy didn’t kick in.

 

[Catastrophe-TM]

my main issue is that i simply dont believe those screenshots of marl talking to people, the black text on the white background. it just seems really, really easy to me to replicate something like that given the plain appearance.

People already pointed out that it's what Gmail chat looked like back in 2012 and how everything matches up with what former friends have said, so I won't repeat it. But I'll bring up these points to support those claims as well:

You could say the same thing about the email and DeviantArt messages PK received from the mystery person that had "proof" of Lain's supposed harassment. How do you know those aren't edited too? They're also black text on a white background (and DeviantArt messages, while not B&W are also similarly simplistic).
Funnily enough those messages PK has are edited to a degree; she removed very specific details on what exactly Lain/Spaggle did "for her sake", which is funny since she had no qualms about lashing out at her on Twitter (or any empathy for revealing who jupiterdune was to her rabid fanbase):

This one for example is highly manipulative at its finest. PK gives you a summary of what that paragraph was, but how do you know for sure that was what it was really about? Why give a summary and not let people read the whole thing to know the exact details? If Lain/Spaggle was as malicious as PK and this person makes her out to be, let the crimes be known. A single 13 year old can't take on the entire internet and every single person.

Here's an example of PK editing other messages to manipulate people; she took this Twitter user's argument with her out of context (actual posts here) to make herself the victim and get her followers to attack them.

I'd also like to share this quote by Pengo himself in response to Opa, where he talks about screencaps being fake (I'll give you the link to his full post as well if you're curious on the context and what else he had to say on his callout):

PK herself has even stated that screencaps are not libel or slander either. Something to think and discuss about that I had to get out.

EDIT: Forgot this too since I wanted to add this contradiction, PK has also claimed to have chatlogs of Lain/Spaggle's lies but never posted them. 4 years and counting since then and PK has never posted anything.

 

[Howling Ghost]

It's cute that many are playing devils advocates here, but there is still the curious name changes and the refusal to give out any info about Marl. The only reason why I see them not giving out Marl's info is because he also knows their dirty secrets.

Also LMAO get the fuck outa here with that Glip may not have known, her freak fuckboy clearly defended child porn and she had nothing to say about that. Her NSFW art relies solidly around only "animal penis's." Her comic started out as seeds but she couldn't help herself and turned all her SFW characters into gross sex machines. She has mountains of underage porn. All the people they hang out with are pedophiles baby furs and god knows what else. Lastly Glip claimed ALL the victim points and shut down the other victims. for years she has been told about Marl's creepy interests yet she chose to believe no one,
while at the same time claiming that he was abusive. Weird how that works...

Also @MRfive i'm sure we agree that Marl was a major creep, yet Glip has not apologized to ANYONE for shutting down his victims, while at the same time her narcissistic ass claimed that she was the ONLY victim. Also LMAO Marl was abusive but stayed in his room and Eevee didn't notice any of this so called abuse...

Edit: lmao I didn't realize how many times i said also

 

[jupiter dune]

I think a lot of people are afraid of huge backlash because of the shit that went down with Pengo and the lawsuit. When PK posted shit about me I didn't get a single message about it that was negative. Literally only one KF member messaged me on another account and that was it. No one @'d me, no one messaged me, no one slandered my name. Any sort of rabid fans PK may have had don't seem to care much any more. I've literally lost nothing from this fiasco, while PK lost much more.

To the guests posting who are afraid of being outed: odds are nothing will come from it except for annoying vaguing for a week and not being in her discord. If you're gonna leave her presence, you've really got nothing to lose. People on this site won't even hound you down to harrass you so long as you don't make a total ass of yourself sperging about dumb shit.

 

[NotSoAceCat]

hey. ive been considering on commenting here for a long time because im honestly really nervous about the idea. i wouldnt want to get in trouble for it. but seeing needle fletcher talk on here makes me feel brave enough to surface as well. you all know by now ive been lurking for a long time. i usually alert the crew when something goes down. aside that, i usually moderate the comments on the floraverse sites.

and god damn am i curious as hell to what you want me to clear up? i didnt understand exactly what you meant- but i guess ill find out.
but as anxious as i am, i think i am also a little frightened about the entire situation, too. ive been debating on what to believe for the longest time, and sorry if i seem skeptical about some things, but its mostly from experience in the past.

Spoiler

and sorry if anything i say sounds rubbish, i am bad at communication at times. if i screw something i say up, ill try my best to rephrase it better. sorry. thats one of the other reasons i hesitated so long on posting. im not very good with socializing through words.

Hell there joop! Nice to have you around! not everyone actually comes forwards to clear things up in a propper manner (heck, some of us would love to see glip or eevee come here and tell clear things up themselves) so I respect you for that! kudos to you pal!

Take it easy, one step at a time, I know all this questioning and information might be overbearing, specially when talking about someone you are supossed to trust, your safety must be first and foremost.

That said... I want you to take a moment to think on everything that has been said here, the evidence given and thing that you and @Needle Fletcher have said yourselves..

If a friend hides important things from, if they make you feel threatened, if you don't feel free to express yourself with them... then I won't consider them a friend.

Many red flags have been raised and very little clarification has been given, from complete censoring their spaces and the only way to communicate with them, to moving out, changing names, multiple people coming forward with similar stories of abuse or mistreating. I know nobody's perfect but sometimes you gotta take a step back and evaluate how much are you willing to wait for that change, and how much you're willing to sacrifice for it.

But then again, sorry if we can't clarify many things ourselves, we only know as much as you both do, we only have recorded archives on our hands and our own accounts and experiences related to them, and even that is more information that they've ever given, at the end they have to be the ones that'll have to do the work to clear everything out and their names with it.

i know most everything from the first 600-800 pages, though my memory is extremely bad. my main issue is that i simply dont believe those screenshots of marl talking to people, the black text on the white background. it just seems really, really easy to me to replicate something like that given the plain appearance. it just sounds very unlike glip from what i know to accept marl doing something like that, to be in on it.

Can confirm that that's how the chat used to look like since I was an user myself, but if more proof is needed here is a screencap, I found it using a quick google search so sorry if that doesn't make it up for you:

We also need to keep in mind that Fluff herself, has more then proven her actual connection to Marl. Not only did Eevee say she was in the home with them, but Fluff had a picture of Marl that was never posted online in 2016.

Let's not forget the fact that Fluff also took a picture of eevee's car license plate, and send it to marl to confirm it was his car, Marl confirmed it, so they were definitively at the spot like they said.

 

[FrickleMyPickle]

I feel as if Glip definitely didn't know about Marl recruiting teens. She's always had this "open poly relationship", but she's the only one allowed to get side dick. I can't see her actually allowing Marl to maintain any sort of relationship with these teens without getting jealous and upset.

I can only see her allowing it if there was something in it for her. We know she's super into the idea of kids being groomed; whether or not the she ever got around to being as actively involved as she might have liked, I'm sure the whole thing was devastatingly hot for her.

 

[tofu dog]

I'm sure the whole thing was devastatingly hot for her.

Congrats, i almost threw money at null so i could rate this horrifying

 

[Nigwig]

Good catch, @Really Now. I was thinking the same thing.

Here's something that's been bothering me for awhile:

The logs are almost certainly real. However, we also need to remember that when Marl said, "PK and I have been thinking about it" in regards to filming zoo-pedo-porn, Marl may have been lying. He might have wanted to make it seem like glip knew about this and supported this to put Bigfluff at ease. After all, if Bigfluff found out that glip didn't approve of what Marl was doing, that'd make her mistrust Marl, right?

So, it's -possible- that these two things could be true at the same time:

1. Glip knew Marl was into dogs
2. Glip did not know Marl was trying to recruit teens for zoo porn and would not have approved, had they known.

It might seem like I'm playing devil's advocate for glip. But in reality, this raises an even more troubling question:

If the above scenario were true, why couldn't glip just be honest about it? According to eevee, Marl eventually admitted that the logs were real. That could have been glip's opportunity to say, "Yes, it's true that my husband was preying on teenage readers of my comic. The logs are real. However, he was lying when he said I was in on it. I had no idea he what he was up to, and I believe he lied about my involvement to earn Bigfluff's trust. In the end, I'm still responsible for not believing Marl's victims sooner. I'm so sorry that I let things get this far, and that people were hurt because I believed Marl over them."

To me, this seems like the obvious PR move to make, whether glip is innocent or not. But they won't say it! They won't say, "the logs are real but Marl lied to Bigfluff." Instead their story was, "the logs are faked and its a conspiracy." Even now, they won't admit that the logs were real (eevee was the one to let that slip!) They won't apologize to the kids who originally tried to warn them. They won't turn Marl in to the police, even though he's a proven predator. In a way, glip is still protecting him. Why?

[CONSPIRACY THEORY TIME] Honestly I often wonder if Marl has some kind of dirt on glip. Maybe glip did something early in their marriage that they're not proud of, and Marl has proof of it. So in the end, Marl agreed to a divorce--but glip can never say what actually happened, or else Marl will retaliate.

Or maybe glip was just "in on it." Either way, this doesn't look good. If Marl was just lying, glip would have said so and thrown him under the bus. Instead, they've spun this wild tale about how Lain has had it out for them all these years just cause she got kicked out of a Discord server. And now that the lies have piled up, it's too late to apologize. There's really no coming back from this.

Are you Kupok? He seemed to love tanuki characters and hiding around and he really wanted to defend PK and Eevee. It'd make sense to me if you really are playing devil's advocate

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/834575201849352193/aVYqLOWE_400x400.jpg

He had another racoon avatar like this with a mask so it'd match up with your name and you seem to talk like him

 

[forgot my original name]

I find it hard to believe she didn’t notice. I think her frame of reference for what is and isn’t appropriate behavior with minors is jacked up. It’s preventing her from recognizing Marl’s behavior as a really bad thing. Children just weren’t a threat to her relationship, so the jealousy didn’t kick in.

This. Keep in mind that Eevee keeps adamantly maintaining that 15-16 year olds aren’t children as a way to deflect criticism about the topic.

See the tweet archived in this exchange:
http://archive.is/adHzd

Contrasted with this:

http://archive.is/SbJi4

And this, where she refers to 17 yr olds as children:

http://archive.is/eZNKH

This is just to show her blatant manipulation on the topic and her fucked up ideas about CHILDREN, but you can already see how inconsistent Eevee’s own story is between the first two tweet chains, not to mention with Glip’s.

 

[Questionable Ceviche]

I mainly want to know how people can even tolerate PK or Eevee, everyone seems to have to walk eggshells around them or agree completely with everything they say to avoid backlash. Most of their everyday activity on social media shows hardly any sort of nice behavior unless they are talking about themselves. I don't even mean with all of the dogfucking drama, just them 24/7.

How can anyone be friends with the two since they are so snotty about any single thing unless you're worshipping their 2deep4u comic? Like when people were uncomfortable with Alice quite literally raping other characters or any time people liked Biff over Beleth. They're not even standard assholes like we here at KF are, they just seem completely unable to socialize without making it about themselves and having people make them feel better.

Also the fact PK has had so many fallouts with friends. People break up friendships normally, it just happens, but hers always seem to end nastily with the other person conveniently being silent or trying to avoid the drama while PK breathes fire about it for weeks at a time. There's a pattern there.

(Also welcome, @MRfive . Enjoy your stay, friend.)

This is my big question for anyone that's still within her social circle. I liked her work and read Floraverse for a long time. One of the big things that drove me to find this thread is Glip's own social media behavior. She's fucking mean on there. She insults other artists, talks down to people, makes fun of actual children, and spouts off a lot of misleading weasel words about how she's the victim. It's tiring to read. Someone gently pointed out a simple grammatical error in a comic page and Glip flipped shit on them. This is a really shitty social environment to be in, but people within her friend circle don't seem to notice.