Diseased #Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[One Man Bland]

The fact there are people are defending this complete bastardization of Jack Kirby's characters is just heart-breaking and just proves that God is dead
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Following this logic Ren better not complain about the Oscars being a sham more interested in being a self congratulatory circle-jerk than recognizing genuine talent. Since, obviously, the act of winning an award automatically makes it exempt from criticism, as it is always deserved based on infallible logic that no one ever tries to gerrymander in their favor or anything.

 

[AJ 447]

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"Somebody, please help. Get him to leave please":
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Is this what hell is like

 

[Jub-Jub]

It's a shame that awards have been following the progressive narrative, but they are still a useful function, the function just reversed. Pick any prestigious award and a suitable year (probably sometime between 2000-2010) before that year the award can be seen as a sign of quality, after that year it's a badge of pandering worthlessness.

When she's not calling Comicsgaters incels Gail the Whale must be talking about food. The last few days she's been non-stop tweeting restaurants and brands asking whether they prefer Marvel or DC.

The local Applebees is probably closed and she's trying to find a suitable replacement for the fat girls bi-weekly clucking.

 

[Intelligent Calcium]

I guess whenever someone says Eisner award on twitter it can be safely lumped in with the whole idea of "idealogical money laundering" schemes. Just use your connections to push something through a process that was formerly based on merit and once it comes out on the other end (either as a win or just a nomination), you can claim it's just as good as everything else that passed the same process.

 

[damian]

IDW: "Hey can you give our book a good review?"
Manuel: "Sure."
IDW: "Also please don't make it too obvious we might stop sending you our crap for free."
Manuel: "Got it."

Bruh:

Bruh, for real:

BRUH:

5 S T A R Q U A L I T Y A R T:

All I keep thinking while looking at this art is the 'Look at this Dude' meme:

I won't judge the writing, since I havent read it, but for real how can someone give 5 Stars to that art!?

The local Applebees is probably closed and she's trying to find a suitable replacement for the fat girls bi-weekly clucking.

All we need now is for Gail to start a mukbang YT channel. I know a certain Doggo who would enjoy the hell out of it.

 

[Emperor Julian]

I'm sure he cares about procreating, but Darkseid never struck me as the type of person to engage in sex entirely for pleasure, that seems beneath him.

If Darkseid was to come at the subject of sex and gender, he'd most likely aiming for maximum degradation of others. From his general conduct as long as someone was crying on the floor at how 'worthless' they are he'd be content, frankly the sexuality of a creature of perfect malice probably isnt suitable for print outside of snuff porn. The idea he'd go in for cliche locker room sexism doesnt gell.
Their is a way it kind of makes sense and that would be if he's exploiting something Granny is bringing herself. Playing on her own insecurities and anxieties about gender to make her and the furies feel bad so they'd kick that pain down onto others-fury gets her bum pinched so she beats a slave to death to make herself feel big. It'd be like him finding out the social issues with black people in the US and deliberatly treating Cyborg or john Stewart as though he's the leagues servant.Always twist the knife, always target the weak spot. But that's not really what they're going for I think.

 

[Maggots on a Train v2]

I guess whenever someone says Eisner award on twitter it can be safely lumped in with the whole idea of "idealogical money laundering" schemes. Just use your connections to push something through a process that was formerly based on merit and once it comes out on the other end (either as a win or just a nomination), you can claim it's just as good as everything else that passed the same process.

Media awards have become like the never-ending list of worthless business awards. Normal businesses don't have enough time to bother with them, but every shady scam that operates on grifts and ponzis has a whole page of awards to show off.

 

[Starscreams Cape]

Actually just watched the video out of curiosity and I can see why you think that. Of course I’m not going to go as far as to say I was the inspiration but I will say the video he uploaded has me interested in checking out more of his works.

EVS is a world class artist. And if you are comfortable with Comicsgate (I am even though I can admit there are part-time spergs like Mike Miller) you will find his videos and live streams amusing. At times even funny, though that's usually when Cecil is on the stream.

I will say that he is very committed to the independent comics movement away from the insanity going on with the big boys.

The last few nights he's been promoting the indiegogo campaigns of a few up and comers.

But he's, like, totes a Nazi. That's why he was pimping the campaign of a black woman, a black man, a Hispanic man, a white woman and a white man.

It's a shame that awards have been following the progressive narrative, but they are still a useful function, the function just reversed. Pick any prestigious award and a suitable year (probably sometime between 2000-2010) before that year the award can be seen as a sign of quality, after that year it's a badge of pandering worthlessness.
The local Applebees is probably closed and she's trying to find a suitable replacement for the fat girls bi-weekly clucking.

Does this place give an award when you reach a certain number of inappropriate ratings? Because if so, I'm pretty sure Kidhero99 is angling for it.

 

[Water-T]

I'm sure he cares about procreating, but Darkseid never struck me as the type of person to engage in sex entirely for pleasure, that seems beneath him.

Jesus - t's obvious these people didn't fucking bother to read up on Darkseid. He had Kalibak with his first wife who he loved, but his mother thought she was "corrupting" her son and had Desaad poison her. This is what cemented Darkseid as the emotionless tyrant he is. He returned the favor by having Desaad poison his mother.

He had Orion because part of the truce between Apokolips and New Genesis involved him and Highfather exchanging newborn sons.

There is a third son, Grayven, but not much is known about the mother or why Darkseid wanted another heir. Probably since he deems Kalibak "unworthy" and Orion "uncontrollable", he figured the third time's the charm?

 

[Rebis]

Jesus - t's obvious these people didn't fucking bother to read up on Darkseid. He had Kalibak with his first wife who he loved, but his mother thought she was "corrupting" her son and had Desaad poison her. This is what cemented Darkseid as the emotionless tyrant he is. He returned the favor by having Desaad poison his mother.

He had Orion because part of the truce between Apokolips and New Genesis involved him and Highfather exchanging newborn sons.

There is a third son, Grayven, but not much is known about the mother or why Darkseid wanted another heir. Probably since he deems Kalibak "unworthy" and Orion "uncontrollable", he figured the third time's the charm?

No no no, Darkseid just wants to touch tiddy

 

[One Man Bland]

Jesus - t's obvious these people didn't fucking bother to read up on Darkseid. He had Kalibak with his first wife who he loved, but his mother thought she was "corrupting" her son and had Desaad poison her. This is what cemented Darkseid as the emotionless tyrant he is. He returned the favor by having Desaad poison his mother.

He had Orion because part of the truce between Apokolips and New Genesis involved him and Highfather exchanging newborn sons.

There is a third son, Grayven, but not much is known about the mother or why Darkseid wanted another heir. Probably since he deems Kalibak "unworthy" and Orion "uncontrollable", he figured the third time's the charm?

Should also be noted that Darkseid wasn’t even interested in marrying Orion’s mother, but was basically pushed into it out of convenience. And in fact he was so disinterested in her that not only did he have her cryogenically frozen for a thousand years after the wedding, but there was a possibility that Orion might not even be Darkseid’s biological son due to the fact that his mother started having an affair with a soldier because of how isolated she was.

That hardly sounds like the behavior of the Weinstein stand-in Cecil’s comic characterized him as, and even if he was I doubt he’d be so ineloquent as to just walk up to an underlying and basically tell her “Me want sum fukk”

 

[Rebis]

What if Apokolips was just the comic equivalent of India and Darkseid was a Social Media Indian?

“Send anti-life equation and vagene pls”

 

[Grimm]

Seems like the word "context" does not exist in their dictionary. They'll take anything as long their agenda.

Like saying "Ethan is misogynist because he said women can't write comics" despite never ever saying that

"Ethan said that all women project themselves onto characters because something, something, Mary Sue, something, something, misogyny"

Renfamous: "ComicsGate is a hate group that is about harassing and hating women! Now excuse me while I harass this woman for simply being part of this group that I don't like."

 

[damian]

Seems like the word "context" does not exist in their dictionary. They'll take anything as long their agenda.

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Renfamous: "ComicsGate is a hate group that is about harassing and hating women! Now excuse me while I harass this woman for simply being part of this group that I don't like."

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If the conspiracy is actually true, I wonder if they get payed by the tweet or by how many likes/RTs they get.

 

[Comicsgeist]

Meh, they're so salty because what EVS has said about women and writing happens to be true (for the most part), and the great social experiment that is The Internet proves it.
Look at Youtube, predominantly male, filled with spergs passionately ranting about the integrity of the IP's they love and laughing at memes.
Now look at Tumblr......predominantly female (and some males so low-T they make the 'Try Guys' look butch) and sewer out of which the most deranged self-insert fan fiction pours and which also happens to be the number one place neurotic teenage girls go to get duped into believing they have 'rapid onset gender dysphoria' by a bunch of lurking trans-trenders.
The social lab that is the internet has very effectively shown the difference between how boys and girls will interact with the same toy.

Here's a link to the article I assume EVS sourced the information:
https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2016/05/legos/484115/

I see no link to to any study debunking the research, just a lot of op-ed complaining.

 

[PantsFreeZone]

Renfamous is fat.

Those Cyberfrog drops EVS tosses out on Twitter look amazing. I compared some of his uncolored offerings to some recent Marvel work and it is like comparing Shakespeare to Wolverine drawn in excrement. His colorist Kyle Ritter is also top notch.

That's all I got until I get my copy of Jawbreakers later this month (probably).

 

[damian]

Fasting Over Energetic Zack talks about how Dan began the trend of telling fans to go fuck themselves:

The Article from the video:

Dan Slott responds to message-board insult with well-deserved f-bomb
by SEAN T. COLLINS – on Dec 09, 2010 in COMICS, COMIC NEWS

Every Spider-Man fan knows that with great power comes great responsibility. I don't know if the ability to make your voice heard on a message board counts as "great power," but surely there's some responsibility attached to that, too. A recent run-in between Amazing Spider-Man writer Dan Slott and a CBR message-board user named lejayjay serves as an object lesson on this point, and who you think abused their power-responsibility balance the worst may well reveal a lot about you as a fan and consumer of comics and art.

In a thread called "How long do you expect Dan Slott to be the lead/ sole writer of Amazing Spider-Man?", lejayjay posted a comment seemingly deriding Slott as a fair-weather comics writer who would likely depart for a more lucrative field. Though the comment eventually spun off into facetiously hyperbolic territory, it began by directly attacking Slott's motives for writing ASM at all:

"It is jus a paycheck for Slott anyway. He's not a real fan."​

Those two sentences prompted the following response from Slott, who expressed his displeasure in no uncertain terms:

"As a guy who turned down a side job this year for a paycheck that would've been over a third of his yearly income-- BECAUSE it would've meant cutting back on his not-so-lucrative comic book writing career-- and get in the way of working on his Spider-Man dream job...

...and the guy who slept less than 12 hours over the course of 4 days this week working on a script while he was sick... a guy who finally had to be ORDERED off it by his editor to go see a doctor... and is still in a good deal of pain today...

...this is the first time I think I've ever said this to somebody over a comic book message board:

Go fuck yourself.

Seriously.

Go. Fuck. Yourself."​

lejayjay apologized almost immediately, wishing Slott well and characterizing the initial post as "schtick." But the exchange still strikes me as a revealing one, for several reasons.

First, it shows -- as if there were any question at all -- that even some of the biggest names in comics, well paid by massive entertainment corporations for writing the superhero genre's most popular characters, read and take very seriously the anonymous and semi-anonymous criticism and insults of people on the Internet. Whether that's good, bad or indifferent for the creators, the companies, the comics or the consumers is up for debate, but it's a very real phenomenon.

Second, it shows the folly of ascribing specific, and in fact unknowable, motives to creators whose work you dislike when a direct critique of that work itself would more than suffice. If you feel that (say) Dan Slott's Spider-Man work lacks heart or is poorly told or runs counter to what you value in Spider-Man comics, there are countless ways to address this by discussing the actual work -- pointing out specific shortcomings in plotting or dialogue or characterization; comparing it to other, better work by different creators; even comparing it to past, stronger work from the creator in question -- rather than concocting theories about their personal feelings toward the characters or how they're only in it for a paycheck or whatever. You don't know that; unless they come out and say it, you can't know it. Acting as if you do wastes everyone's time.

Third, it shows that large segments of fandom expect creators to follow rules of decorum they in no way apply to themselves. Both in the original thread and on other sites where the exchange has been brought up, like this post and comment thread at Spider-Man Crawlspace or this question on Tom Brevoort's formspring account, many fans responded to the exchange not by getting upset at the original, insulting post (joke though it turned out to have been) and empathizing with Slott as a person whose integrity and creativity had been questioned, but by getting miffed at Slott for forcefully responding. Wanna insult a person who works in the arts by saying the most derogatory and baseless things you can? Go ahead! Work in the arts and want to respond by cussing the insult-thrower out? Why, that's no way for a grown-up and professional to behave! Break out the fainting couch, I've got the vapors! HOW DARE YOU, SIR!

Again, we can question the wisdom of popular professional creators engaging with message-board and comment-thread name-calling, but to act as though one side of the exchange can do basically whatever they want while the recipient of the abuse should never respond in kind is an absurd double standard. Moreover it evinces a profound sense of entitlement: a demand to be able to treat others however poorly you want while reserving total immunity for yourself, and a reduction of the artist to a glorified conveyor belt that must silently transport your preferred art-product to you and to whom you have no behavioral or ethical or moral obligations. It's the same mindset that leads readers to insult creators who express contrary opinions about how their work is made available digitally, or attack people with legal and moral claims to the proceeds from a certain work if those claims are deemed to provide even the slightest impediment to the way those readers are accustomed to consuming that work. For better or worse, we the readers really do have some power thanks to the Internet. And you know what they say about power.

I looked for the actual forum, turns out it was the Crawlspace (AKA one of the biggest/oldest Spider-Man fan forums) and oh boy does this site have hystory with Slott:

Editorial: Slott VS Crawlspace
BRAD DOUGLAS December 16, 2010

If you’re a new visitor to the site or an old one I’d like to clear up some things about this website and our relationship with Dan Slott. Bottom line I don’t hate him or envy him.

History: When I started this website back in 1998 I was just hoping to share my love of Spider-Man to whoever would listen. In those 12 years I never guessed how many people share that same love of a certain webslinger. I was lucky to know one fan in my town that liked Spider-Man. After the movies hit it seemed everyone loved Spidey.

In 12 years we’ve grown from about a hundred people visiting the site a month to about 200,000 unique a month. If every visitor bought one issue of Amazing Spider-Man it would be the highest grossing comic for that particular month. According to the latest sales figures Amazing sold 52,586 in the direct market for November.

The comic industry is a small place. Writers can easily log onto websites the day their books are released and communicate with the fans within minutes. Should they do that? I think it’s a great idea. The internet has brought us closer together. Now with that relationship, I feel comes responsibility from both parties.

Slott Comment to Fan: Dan Slott recently told off a snarky fan on the Comic Book Resources Spider-Man Forum. The fan said Slott was only doing it for a paycheck. Dan replied back saying.

"As a guy who turned down a side job this year for a paycheck that would’ve been over a third of his yearly income– BECAUSE it would’ve meant cutting back on his not-so-lucrative comic book writing career– and get in the way of working on his Spider-Man dream job…

…and the guy who slept less than 12 hours over the course of 4 days this week working on a script while he was sick… a guy who finally had to be ORDERED off it by his editor to go see a doctor… and is still in a good deal of pain today…

…this is the first time I think I’ve ever said this to somebody over a comic book message board:

Go fuck yourself.

Seriously.

Go. Fuck. Yourself."​

I saw that post and was shocked that Slott went off on him in that manner. Not that the guy didn’t have it coming, however I expected a professional comic book writer to act, well professional. Slott’s boss Editor Steve Wacker has a different opinion about his employee. He states that Slott does not represent Marvel and that he’s a freelance writer. So it’s just one of the many perks of said title.

"Dan doesn’t live by the same rules because the freelancer/company relationship is very different. Not theoretically different… but specifically and legally different. You not wanting to believe in that doesn’t make it untrue or unimportant."​

Is It News?: Slott and Wacker have both questioned why this was newsworthy. It was newsworthy because

A) This site covers events related to Spider-Man.

B) When the head writer tells a potential or current customer to go fuck themselves, it’s news.

C) It appeared that CBR tried to cover it up.
They took the post down. Did they do it to not show Slott in a bad light? Did they take it down because it was offensive? Slott says it was a dead issue because the snarky fan apologized. However I have never heard if Slott apologized too.

D) It happened in a public place. CBR is seen by thousands. If the guy said this to Slott in an e-mail or at a bar, it wouldn’t have been such a big deal. People who make the news are generally shocked that they are newsworthy. They then question the reporters judgment about their job.

E) I wanted to open up debate if it’s appropriate for a professional comic book writer to go off on a fan. We had more than 600 comments in that post. It seems fans were split down the middle.

Editorial : What is my two cents? I think Dan Slott can’t take criticism very well. He’s got his dream job. However, he got it after one of the biggest controversial storylines happened to our beloved character. Slott and this current team had nothing to do with the editorial mandate to break up the marriage. They were left to deal with the ticked off fans and start building up the audience. As Slott pointed out on his Formspring account, it’s been four years and nothing has changed.

Spider-Man fans are very passionate about this character. It has to do with the everyman characteristic. We all feel Peter Parker is like a brother to us and we all want the best for him. When something doesn’t feel right, they complain. Online there are certain place where you can vent.

You can’t go to the Marvel.com board. All discussion about One More Day has been banned. The other major Spider-Man websites don’t have a forum. Spider-Fan doesn’t had a board. Samruby.com doesn’t have a board. You can go to CBR, but it’s not a site just devoted to Spider-Man.
The Crawlspace does have a board but there are rules to follow. There are no personal attacks. If the exchange between Slott and the fan at CBR had happened here, both would have gotten a warning.

When Slott came to the Crawlspace when he first got the gig, I was flattered. He had a great first post about how he became a Spider-Fan and looked forward to talking to fans. That deteriorated over the months. In his 150 posts he got in more and more arguments. In fact he got a warning on one occasion. He eventually asked for his account to be deactivated. He claimed this was the most negative site about Spider-Man on the internet.He continued to bash this site at CBR and any other place he felt the need. Before he left I told him to explore the other areas of the message board. If you just search the words “Dan Slott” each time you visit you are going to get a different view of the board than taking it as a whole.

In a his recent formspring post Slott said K-Box from the Crawl Space message board told him to “go die in a fire.” After searching thoroughly it simply wasn’t true. At no point did he say that here on the Crawlspace. He could have said it on his own blog but Slott still attested that member to the Crawlspace. Is that fair? Should we have everyone pee in a cup before they enter? Should we do background checks before they enter? Slott did it because the Crawlspace is an easy target.

He proved that today when on his twitter account he accused a member of this site that they hacked his wikipedia page. Someone changed it to include these lines.

"Spider-Man Crawlspace Controversy"

"After having a friendly debate with a fan on the internet about Spider-Man character Ben Reilly on the internet, Dan Slott was criticized by the popular Spider-Man Crawlspace website and was told by several members to “Go F- himself.” Similar incidents have happened on the website already, but never escalated to such a point. They also stated that “His stupidity has spread over the comic book world he should die of something bad… like cancer”, and has been called out by moderators on his forumspring account. While the website of interest has been known for criticizing Slott’s work, Slott in return is guilty of nothing but doing his job. The tension between them erupted in an internet flaming war. On December 11, 2010, Slott recieved death threats from user “Kevin Cushing” (using the fake name Jared) filed suit against Crawlspace owner Brad Douglas, Administrator Kevin Cushing, and 2 unidentified users of the Crawlspace Message Board for as of yet unknown charges"​

Slott then commented on his twitter page.

"Wow! Lurked on a certain message board for the LAST time. I added BlockSite. Going to do the same 4 my laptop as well. Unbelievable. On the SAME thread where they’re saying “No one from our site would EVER vandalize Slott’s Wiki page, we’re just NOT like that here. Yet on the SAME thread a poster has signed on w/ a fake alias and is pretending to B me! Seriously. Bad enough you guys make stuff up left and right, claim we do things we’ve never done in the book, take cheap shots at Joe and the editorial and creative team… But– You know what? I’m done even bitching about it. Whatever. And done! That felt good! That site is now -whoosh- cut off from my laptop too. Can’t even lurk. It’s a relief actually. Let ’em yammer…away over there. Gotta watch out tho, it was almost 2 easy. ‘Might go BlockSite-happy! Poof CBR! Poof ‘Rama! Calm down. Not there yet. "​

Again Slott jumped to conclusions that someone from this website wrote that on his wikipedia page. Anyone from the internet can write on the wikipedia page. Why would he blame this site? Again, it’s an easy target. A bunch of Spider-Fan gather here, it must be the Crawlspace. A lot of people also shop at Wal-Mart that have criminal histories. Do you blame Wal-Mart for crime? By reading the wiki post it seems they have an ax to grind with this site to begin with.

As far as the person who impersonated Slott on the front page. That’s an instant ban. The IP matched Cyberghostface and he was dealt with and banned.

Bottom Line: I think Slott should not read reviews of his work. He is potentially losing Marvel customers. If you tell a customer or potential customer to go F-Themselves then you are taking things too seriously. You need to back away and get out of the environment.
I also don’t take criticism of this website very well. I feel my staff and I put out the best Spider-Man fan site on the internet. We have daily updates and try to give you a place to have fun and discuss our favorite webhead.

I do think fans on the internet need to take some sensitivity classes. They should follow a simple rule. Would I say this to the person’s face? If the answer is no, don’t post it. Discuss,criticize and praise the work, not the creator. Be responsible! We all love a character that is driven by responsibility. We should be responsible in our comments and behavior.

Notice 6 freaking years later, he still lurks on the board and annoys the people working on the forum about minor errors in solicits:

Needless to say that Slott is banned from the site mostly because of his aggressive behavior towards users, abrasive personality, trying to deflect criticism of his book and generally being a total pain in the ass to deal with

 

[Emperor Julian]

If Dan likes online salt he should come here, we hate loads ofpeople he hates he'd like it once he got over us calling him a tubby cry baby with no talent writting series decades past its prime.

Interesting how he's thin end of the wedge mind-you. I wonder if it even occurs to Dan that his terrible online conduct is probably what's causing the current shit show?

 

[Crabbo]

Since no one is taking her bait, it seems the hag is changing her target to Dickie.

Choosing to label people 'Nazi' is a brave and original move.

 

[Grimm]

Since no one is taking her bait, it seems the hag is changing her target to Dickie.

Choosing to label people 'Nazi' is a brave and original move.

Doubt that Zak would even care about Renfamous if he's even on Twitter. Wasn't he banned from Twitter or something? Whatever. The point being is that Renfamous at this point is a grandparent that you would put in a retirement home because they're mind has gotten so bad that they keep shouting about the children are playing in the lawn again.