Did Michael Jackson Do It

Did Michael Jackson Molest Children?

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    Votes: 88 46.1%

  • No

    Votes: 76 39.8%

  • He Touched Me

    Votes: 74 38.7%
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Mariposa Electrique said:
Agree, I think that most people believe that child sex abuse is like a Lifetime original film where there's a clear boundary being violated. It's never as simple as someone's creepy uncle touching someone's penis or anus. I just don't understand how people can label these two guys as liars, when they don't have established history of lying like Corey Feldman. They did lie to protect someone they loved and someone who they thought loved them, but it was only that one time. It's not uncommon for a lot of victims to lie for their abusers. Some victims even think they enjoy being molested up until a certain point in their development. Just watch Mysterious Skin to get a more accurate portrayal of what child sex abuse looks like. I think the bigger problem is, people have no empathy until something like this hits closer to home.
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I agree. And the reason they lied for Michael Jackson is because he hounded them to get them to testify for him. Those phone calls they have from Michael Jackson prove that he was way too close in these people's lives. If this was some nobody instead of a pop star who was doing this they'd get called out so fast.
 
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Mariposa Electrique said:
There's a reason your username has the word lemming in it.


Safechuck seemed very fucked up from the entire experience. Can you believe, in exchange for licking his butthole, Michael only gave him jewelry and a wedding band.......WTF?
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Ew. Can you imagine licking Michael Jackson's butthole?

That said, I've always thought he was a weirdo, but it's always been hard for me to picture him having sex. Like ever. He seemed so immature and kid-like. But at this point the evidence really seems to be mounting (like he apparently mounted kids.. ?) .. and my opinion is unfortunately changing. I don't know if I believe everything, and I'm skeptical of Robson, but at this point it seems unlikely that he never did anything sexual with a child.
 
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The conservatives on Twitter are being funny over this. They openly call out Bryan Singer and every person who was exposed in An Open Secret and support other victims who have told "graphic stories" about a celebrity predator.
But with these guys they're in denial and they go on about how it's not enough and they try discredit the victims and they're going on about how Michael dindu nuffin.

They have to get off Michael's dick.

Wade Robson- I was skeptical too until the end when he was obviously visibly upset by the entire thing. It didn't feel like acting to me.
 
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Oscar Wildean said:
The conservatives on Twitter are being funny over this. They openly call out Bryan Singer and every person who was exposed in An Open Secret and support other victims who have told "graphic stories" about a celebrity predator.
But with these guys they're in denial and they go on about how it's not enough and they try discredit the victims and they're going on about how Michael dindu nuffin.

They have to get off Michael's dick.
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Can you show me some of these Tweets? This is hard for me to wrap my head around. Because I believe Singer's victims and I believe Jackson's. I don't understand why someone would believe one and not the other.
 
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Can you show me some of these Tweets? This is hard for me to wrap my head around. Because I believe Singer's victims and I believe Jackson's. I don't understand why someone would believe one and not the other.
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I mentioned Singer because these are the same conservatives who have talked about An Open Secret and Bryan Singer.
This guy:

This hardcore fan actually asking how a victim who was groomed by Michael Jackson would be in love with Brandi while also being in love with Michael. Also showing they have no idea how grooming works on victims. (They're not a conservative, but this tweet was so stupid I felt like including it.)

I don't think this one even watched the documentary. They mentioned why they defended Michael in the past.

Piers Morgan:

Every Jackson defender this person has been retweeting and favoriting since the documentary aired.

I have to include this person who thinks that every CSA victim acts the same way when they describe what they've been through.

There's some conservatives mixed in there. I'm seeing a lot of "he was nice to me as a kid so he couldn't have been an abuser to those ones."

Yeah, other famous predators have done that too.
 
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Oscar Wildean said:
I mentioned Singer because these are the same conservatives who have talked about An Open Secret and Bryan Singer.
This guy:

This hardcore fan actually asking how a victim who was groomed by Michael Jackson would be in love with Brandi while also being in love with Michael. Also showing they have no idea how grooming works on victims. (They're not a conservative, but this tweet was so stupid I felt like including it.)

I don't think this one even watched the documentary. They mentioned why they defended Michael in the past.

Piers Morgan:

Every Jackson defender this person has been retweeting and favoriting since the documentary aired.

I have to include this person who thinks that every CSA victim acts the same way when they describe what they've been through.

There's some conservatives mixed in there. I'm seeing a lot of "he was nice to me as a kid so he couldn't have been an abuser to those ones."

Yeah, other famous predators have done that too.
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That first tweet is really gross. Whoever that is obviously doesn't understand how child molesters work or is a child molester themselves (or just an idiot). I wouldn't even call it "in love with". It's more like being taken advantage of by an adult man and not being old enough to fully understand what's going on.

The stupidity burns.. but then again some "fanboys" will go to ridiculous lengths to defend whoever they're obsessed with.
 
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Oscar Wildean said:
The conservatives on Twitter are being funny over this. They openly call out Bryan Singer and every person who was exposed in An Open Secret and support other victims who have told "graphic stories" about a celebrity predator.
But with these guys they're in denial and they go on about how it's not enough and they try discredit the victims and they're going on about how Michael dindu nuffin.
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When people have to resort to personal attacks about someones motive for defending someone, then they've run out of arguments.

We have photos of Bryan Singer, at various gay themed parties, we have photographic evidence of him with teen boys(some underage) in provocative poses.
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While the most provocative evidence the police were able to find with Michael was the paid for photoshoot for the 3T album cover. No gay porn magazines, only porn magazines and pictures from websites of straight porn. Everything else is allegations. The court wasn't able to find sufficient evidence over 18 months. Essentially you are saying you are better than a prosecution team that spent money to get anyone from anywhere to testify, did 2 unnaounced raids on the ranch. The FBI has a huge report on Jackson. Which concluded there was nothing tangible.
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I didn't make any personal attacks. I said they're being funny about because they are. I've seen these people call out Bryan Singer and Kevin Spacey and everyone An Open Secret on Twitter has called out. But they make mad defenses on Jackson. The only one I can think of is "this tweet is stupid" because it's making me think these people haven't talked to CSA victims. "Get off his dick" isn't personal either. They're coming off as fanboys now.

TBH there's creepy photographs with Michael with kids too.
 
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Oscar Wildean said:
I didn't make any personal attacks. I said they're being funny about because they are. I've seen these people call out Bryan Singer and Kevin Spacey and everyone An Open Secret on Twitter has called out. But they make mad defenses on Jackson. The only one I can think of is "this tweet is stupid" because it's making me think these people haven't talked to CSA victims. "Get off his dick" isn't personal either. They're coming off as fanboys now.

TBH there's creepy photographs with Michael with kids too.
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Let me put it this way. People make comparisons to Jimmy Saville and Michael Jackson often. Except for one minor detail. Jimmy Saville was never charged with anything, he never went to court, he never had any settlements. It's only after he died the truth came out. His own family requested his Gravestone be smashed to bits.

I think in time Jackson will be exonerated, because people who are considered beloved around the world, who have never been suspected, never investigated, never charged, will die. And then you'll find out where the real predators in Hollywood are.
 
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Medicated said:
When people have to resort to personal attacks about someones motive for defending someone, then they've run out of arguments.

We have photos of Bryan Singer, at various gay themed parties, we have photographic evidence of him with teen boys(some underage) in provocative poses.
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While the most provocative evidence the police were able to find with Michael was the paid for photoshoot for the 3T album cover. No gay porn magazines, only porn magazines and pictures from websites of straight porn. Everything else is allegations. The court wasn't able to find sufficient evidence over 18 months. Essentially you are saying you are better than a prosecution team that spent money to get anyone from anywhere to testify, did 2 unnaounced raids on the ranch. The FBI has a huge report on Jackson. Which concluded there was nothing tangible.
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Michael Jackson (1958-2009) was a famous singer and entertainer. Between 1993 and 1994 and separately between 2004 and 2005, Jackson was investigated by California law enforcement agencies for possible child molestation. He was acquitted of all such charges. The FBI provided technical and...
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Once again, Willy Wank and Bryan Singer weren't household names. They don't have defined images to protect. MJ was billed as a lady killer, so visiting gay clubs and hanging out with GAY jailbait would most likely tank his career. Doing something like this would have 1. Got him crucified by his own family 2. Crucified by his fanbase, which is largely homophobic. It's like comparing apples to oranges.....or apples to bleached oranges.
There was too much invested in MJ to have him photographed in an LGBT lifestyle, and even if he wanted to, I doubt he would publicize himself in such a way because the self-hatred instilled in him by his own father.
 
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Mariposa Electrique said:
Once again, Willy Wank and Bryan Singer weren't household names. They don't have defined images to protect. MJ was billed as a lady killer, so visiting gay clubs and hanging out with GAY jailbait would most likely tank his career. Doing something like this would have 1. Got him crucified by his own family 2. Crucified by his fanbase, which is largely homophobic. It's like comparing apples to oranges.....or apples to bleached oranges.
There was too much invested in MJ to have him photographed in an LGBT lifestyle, and even if he wanted to, I doubt he would publicize himself in such a way because the self-hatred instilled in him by his own father.
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MJ is probably the most investigated and critiqued celebrity of all time. If 10 years after his death, all you have is a documentary with the allegations of two guys who tried to get several billion out of his estate after the fact. And a Court by Jury acquitting him of all charges, AND the jurors saying in an interview they would still acquit MJ after those two men tried to sue. Then I really have nothing more to say. No matter what evidence comes to light exonerating him, you will believe he is a pedophile.

That's why I think the discussion is a futile one.
 
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Medicated said:
ll you have is a documentary with the allegations of two guys who tried to get several billion out of his estate after the fact.
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LOL, he was worth 385 million at most at his death....now his estate is barely worth 500 million. Now who's doing their research?
R. Kelly was also found not guilty...does that mean he's innocent? The same thing with OJ. I think the biggest problem is some people can't accept they were taken by a pervert, who climbed trees and had a prosthetic nose.
 
Oscar Wildean said:
TBH there's creepy photographs with Michael with kids too.
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yeah, that photoshoot with James Safechuck (who would've been about 10 at the time) was one of the most unsettling visuals in the documentary. and how cartoonishly evil Jacko was looking in this one:
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yeah, that photoshoot with James Safechuck (who would've been about 10 at the time) was one of the most unsettling visuals in the documentary. and how cartoonishly evil Jacko was looking in this one:
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I felt so creeped out when that photo showed up. It looks so sinister. It looks like an ad for NAMBLA.
 
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Medicated said:
That's why I think the discussion is a futile one.
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Typically the response to this thought is to stop repeating yourself in the futile conversation, but endlessly repeating it isn't unheard of...

Yes, it is futile. You've said you're already convinced and no matter what, nothing will convince you otherwise. Why are you trying to shut down the discussion? Just step out if you're done with it, everyone else is allowed to continue the conversation, even if you disagree.
 
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Hoo boy. I just spent most of my day off reading about the evidence that was brought up at the child molestation trials here, and I am now thinking he almost definitely did it. I still haven't watched the documentary and haven't read all the graphic details of what the guys said happened, but what changed my mind is all the porn and nudist mags they found in his house. The porn (some of it was kinda gross but mostly just Penthouse and shit) all had hundreds of fingerprints on it, but only the nudist mags were covered in semen. He was smart enough not to have anything technically illegal but he did have some books of "artful nudes" of young boys locked in his filing cabinet that were dodgy as fuck. So he would leave the regular porn around to get the kids curious about sex but the vintage nudist mags were his private fap material. Both giant flaming red flags that scream pedo.

Another page (it's the same blog but can't find it now) laid out how the accusers who were with him for longer amounts of time (i.e. groomed better) detailed more intimate sex acts than the ones he didn't spend as much time with - This perfectly fits the pattern of a molester going farther each time, and if they were all making it up that is an incredibly specific detail. Seems minor but that kinda clinched it for me.

It's already confirmed he had inappropriately close relationships with kids but whether there was a sexual component to it was the question, this shit pretty much confirmed it in my opinion. There's still a small degree of reasonable doubt (i.e. at the end of the day it's his word against theirs no matter how bad it looks) so I get why he wasn't convicted, but even most of the jurors interviewed were pretty sure he did it.
 
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