Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[Capsaicin Addict]

The complete lack of creativity of SJWs always boggles me - I don't know if their baseline stupidity draws them to social justice, or if the precepts of social justice simply smother all original thought. Either way, the 'woke' can never come up with anything original, compelling or truly 'brave' in regards to character, setting or concept. They cannot even express their own ideals in a fully open and supportive universe, turning out only incomplete and misshapen miscarriages that mewl pathetically for death from their deformed faces.

Chuck is given an expansive science fiction universe where nearly anything is possible, where his SJ identity had no limitations to its expression and the best he can do is a baseline human cosplaying a pirate with ridiculous pronouns. How stunted is Chuck as a thinker, much less a writer if that is the furthest he can stretch himself creatively? How small and narrow his vision is, so restricted are the wanderings of his crippled brain that using a pronoun someone else invented feels 'brave' and 'fresh' to him and his ilk.

Compare and contrast (or just read this because its a good book!) with Player of Games by an actual creative thinker and skilled writer Ian M. Banks. In this book not only does banks present The Culture, an alien society so advanced in biotech that quasi-immortality is standard. It is also considered typical that citizens will biologically transition with their technology between male and female during their lives, alternatively bearing and siring children. It also introduces an alien species, the Azadians who have 3 genders; male, female, and hermaphroditic that engage in a complex gender based relationship integral to the plot. Banks delivers on these concepts in a much more nuanced and interesting way with a high degree of craft, he forms them in such a way that influences the plot naturally and this was back in 1988.

It speaks to the absolute garbage tier of writer and thinker we have in Chuck that Banks absolutely annihilates him in craft and undercuts concept completely unintentionally 30 years prior.

LOL. The Culture is to Star Wars what a properly grilled and seasoned filet mignon, cooked by Gordon Ramsay, is to a cold McDonald's burger. And this is from a guy who's only read the first three Culture books.

 

[BScCollateral]

IIRC, there's a Larry Niven SF detective story with a male to female transsexual. Our hero admits being surprised, there's speculation that it might be a motive for murder for some people, but otherwise the characters don't comment on it. 1975, I think.

I don't know how people got the idea that SF fans were in particular need of enlightenment, but I think it's only explained by gross ignorance.

 

[Krokodil Overdose]

IIRC, there's a Larry Niven SF detective story with a male to female transsexual. Our hero admits being surprised, there's speculation that it might be a motive for murder for some people, but otherwise the characters don't comment on it. 1975, I think.

I had a theory that's this is why we didn't see a lot of trooning, tattoos, bizarre hair colors, etc. in most non-cyberpunk sci-fi settings: "when everything is possible, nothing is interesting." There's nothing edgy or special about having your sex changed when it's something you can do on your lunch break, so people who indulge in those kinds of body mods have another reason for doing so (I'd assume "tradition" in the case of people like Darth Maul.)

I don't know how people got the idea that SF fans were in particular need of enlightenment, but I think it's only explained by gross ignorance.

No, it's for the same reason that Black Panther was the "first black-led superhero movie-" because if it happened decades ago and is frankly pretty ho-hum within the confines of the genre, they're not some edgy rebel standing up for the oppressed, they're derivative nobodies poorly copying what better authors have done before them. Therefor, every year needs to be Year Zero of the Revolution, with themselves at the vanguard, of course.

 

[Arachnomatricide]

I don't know how people got the idea that SF fans were in particular need of enlightenment, but I think it's only explained by gross ignorance.

Yeah, I read pulp sci-fi stories that were Star Wars inspired that had a fully realized MtF character back in the nineties. You don't even have to look to the greats like Niven.

Mag Force 7 Series by Margaret Weis

The Knights of the Black Earth (Mag Force 7 #1), Robot Blues, and Hung Out

www.goodreads.com

A lot of these properties seem to be controlled now by shallow people who found nerds gross as kids and just make a bunch of assumptions based on their stereotypes. The geek social fallacy idea of nerds being welcoming to a fault rings more true to me than the idea that they are exclusionary, though I take some issue with that as well.

 

[Miller]

"Zhe" along with some of Chuck's other "girls" received honorary mentions and illustrations in the 2018 guide "Women of the Galaxy", a guide of pure virtue signaling cringe.

I remember that book, they chose to put their Disney OC on the cover instead of Leia despite the fact that Fisher died before they published the book.

 

[Creep3r]

As a wise man once said: "The best way to write didactic fiction? Don't."



What makes it worse with Wendig is the fact that he's doing this in friggin Star Wars, an entire galaxy full of sentient life that allows him to come up with whatever he wants in terms of bizarre alien biology. One gender? A tumblr's worth? A species that changes sex at the drop of a hat? You can write all this stuff, and more, without breaking the confines of the universe. But instead of actually exploring the potential of the material he's been given to work with, he just writes human genderspecials and calls it a day. Dude, if we want to read about enbie attention whores, we all know where tumblr is; howzabout you try putting some escape in your escapism?



If Iron Liz ever writes an autobiography, that would probably be a good starting point.

There were even SW stories in the 90s that had insectoid aliens with multiple sexes, hutts and other gastropod species that adopt gender roles due to being hermaphrodites, and in the 70s comics there was an entire species of pheromone exuding horny humanoids called the Zeltrons from a resort-style planet who would even give C-3PO a-go if he wanted.

Spoiler

And then there was the anti-human Diversity Alliance in the 90s led by the most loud mouthed Twi'lek tranny you ever did see. It was prophetic as fuck.

Yet all Chuck Wendig does is make a fucking looney troony pirate and the tumblr team led by Hillary Clinton in space, all of whom are smug as shit.

Hillary Clinton Norra Wexley, the protagonist of Wendig's books...

The one who truly defeated the empire and took all the credit with a cucked Luke's approval.

 

[Red Hood]

Oh my goodness...what if Episode IX begins and reveals that Episode VIII was all a dream?

I will lol like no tomorrow.

The whole series was Luke's daydream as he repairs a moisture vaporator and never leaves Tatooine. Suversion!

 

[Iceland Heavy]

The whole series was Luke's daydream as he repairs a moisture vaporator and never leaves Tatooine. Suversion!

That was unironically the inverse of the prologue of the TLJ novel, an alternate dream Luke who never left Tatooine and had a quiet moisture farmer's life married to the local neighbor girl.

Spoiler

Probably would've been better for him all things considered

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

IIRC, there's a Larry Niven SF detective story with a male to female transsexual. Our hero admits being surprised, there's speculation that it might be a motive for murder for some people, but otherwise the characters don't comment on it. 1975, I think.

I don't know how people got the idea that SF fans were in particular need of enlightenment, but I think it's only explained by gross ignorance.

It's the "Halo invented FPS" mindset.
Someone who's never trusl dug into something has his personal first contact via something concurrent and declares it the perfect embodiment of virtues and qualities that have been hitherto not been seen in that genre or the genre itself might not have existed before.

Therefor, every year needs to be Year Zero of the Revolution, with themselves at the vanguard, of course.

This might be the best way anyone has ever put it. Being part of a social movement isn't enough, they have to be the brave vanguard, rising up against the oppressive shitlords of this world in perpetuity.
It's kind of weird how these people invalidate their own achievements, just so they can stay in front of the wave, so to speak.

A lot of these properties seem to be controlled now by shallow people who found nerds gross as kids and just make a bunch of assumptions based on their stereotypes. The geek social fallacy idea of nerds being welcoming to a fault rings more true to me than the idea that they are exclusionary, though I take some issue with that as well.

The thing about Nerds is that they are ostracised to much by others, they are pretty open towards other nerds and at worst, they are socially awkward around girls and will be easily manipulated and taken advantage of.
But overall, when you're into the same stuff as them, they are the most hospitable group you can imagine.
They won't trashtalk you for being brown or yellow or whatever, they will trashtalk for thinking the wrong person is the best Captain in Star Trek.

 

[Red Hood]

Watching Return of the Jedi...something bugs me. During the sail barge fight...why does Boba Fett attack Luke? Does Jabba have him on retainer? What reason does he have to stick his neck out for the Hutt cartel instead of jetpacking off into the distance?

Maybe, ironically, after paying for Solo, Jabba was stiffing Fett on payment and he needed him alive to collect.

 

[Creep3r]

Watching Return of the Jedi...something bugs me. During the sail barge fight...why does Boba Fett attack Luke? Does Jabba have him on retainer? What reason does he have to stick his neck out for the Hutt cartel instead of jetpacking off into the distance?

Maybe, ironically, after paying for Solo, Jabba was stiffing Fett on payment and he needed him alive to collect.

Maybe Jabba is his best customer? He's a Hutt and the head of his own criminal empire after all, which means having a lot of enemies comes with the territory. So having a #1 bounty hunter wouldn't be surprising, and both old comics and the fucking new comics cemented Boba as being Jabba's favorite and most successful bounty hunter. As such, Boba would want to protect his bread and butter (and we can probably assume the pay for capturing Solo was pretty sweet too). I mean, if some fucking space wizard showed up to fuck with my paycheck I'd be pretty pissed too.

 

[thx1138]

IIRC, there's a Larry Niven SF detective story with a male to female transsexual. Our hero admits being surprised, there's speculation that it might be a motive for murder for some people, but otherwise the characters don't comment on it. 1975, I think.

I don't know how people got the idea that SF fans were in particular need of enlightenment, but I think it's only explained by gross ignorance.

Robert A. Heinlein wrote a mindfuck of a short story/novella called "All You Zombies..." that deals with an intersexed main character.

Spoiler

...who is all the characters in the story. All of them. He's his own father, his own mother, he's the guy who kidnaps infant him from the hospital early on, the guy who recruits him into a time-traveling police organization...it's a real trip. But Heinlein doesn't dwell on the character's sexual orientation (and yet, it is a linchpin of the story at the same time).

 

[Red Hood]

Robert A. Heinlein wrote a mindfuck of a short story/novella called "All You Zombies..." that deals with an intersexed main character.

Spoiler

...who is all the characters in the story. All of them. He's his own father, his own mother, he's the guy who kidnaps infant him from the hospital early on, the guy who recruits him into a time-traveling police organization...it's a real trip. But Heinlein doesn't dwell on the character's sexual orientation (and yet, it is a linchpin of the story at the same time).

That was a jarring story to read as a teenager that had just finished Starship Troopers and wanted to check out more Heinlein. I remember having no idea what I was reading the first time I read it- but as an adult it's a pretty cool and truly creative work.

 

[thx1138]

That was a jarring story to read as a teenager that had just finished Starship Troopers and wanted to check out more Heinlein. I remember having no idea what I was reading the first time I read it- but as an adult it's a pretty cool and truly creative work.

Yeah that was almost exactly the same time period I read it and I had much the same reaction.

It's really a "twist" worthy of Ellison or any number of so-called "new wave" SF authors. Heinlein could keep up with the best of them and if the old boy had figured out how to live another 50 years I'm sure he'd have written some cyberpunk as well.

 

[RockVolnutt]

I don't know if it's been posted but these panels of traced faces in the comic are pretty exploitable.

 

[Krokodil Overdose]

It's the "Halo invented FPS" mindset.
Someone who's never trusl dug into something has his personal first contact via something concurrent and declares it the perfect embodiment of virtues and qualities that have been hitherto not been seen in that genre or the genre itself might not have existed before.

W/r/t troons, though, I think the divide between the old and new is pretty clear. The old cases of changing sex in sci-fi came from the same place as transhumanism- it's of a kind with uploading brains, plug-and-play body parts, and other "hey let's brainstorm about what we can actually do with these meatbags we occupy with Sufficiently Advanced Technology." The modern crop trade transhumanism for transgenderism, and want to write about STRONK WAMMAN who were born in the wrong body and blah de blah de put this on your Tumblr and stop pretending you're adding anything to the genre.

It's not that the old guys weren't open minded enough, it's that they were TOO open minded- they were interested in the theoretical possibilities of biological manipulation in ways that went well beyond drag queen space pirates with custom pronouns.

This might be the best way anyone has ever put it. Being part of a social movement isn't enough, they have to be the brave vanguard, rising up against the oppressive shitlords of this world in perpetuity.
It's kind of weird how these people invalidate their own achievements, just so they can stay in front of the wave, so to speak.

Thanks. I think you touch on the crux of the matter in the "invalidate their own achievements" sentence though: what if the achievement is being an activist itself, more that whatever your activist-ing (or however you parse that) for? Whether you think it's communist memes propagated by the zombie media or just stupid people raised on heroic tales of "MUH CIBBIL RIGHTS" and "MUH FEMINISM" and cargo-cultishly re-creating them by creating barricades to man human person?

 

[Shadfan666xxx000]

That was unironically the inverse of the prologue of the TLJ novel, an alternate dream Luke who never left Tatooine and had a quiet moisture farmer's life married to the local neighbor girl.

Spoiler

Probably would've been better for him all things considered

Not in real canon but in Disneydump yeah.

 

[Creep3r]

I don't know if it's been posted but these panels of traced faces in the comic are pretty exploitable.

Makes me wish I had kept posting more of these. These fucking faces are gold. Seriously though, they gotta have over 50 issues about now and they still show no sign of improvement despite this being their biggest seller (soon to be former biggest at the rate sales are going).

 

[Flexo]

Dang it I keep falling behind. Did anybody post the nuLeia vs Leia classic comparison video yet? (apologies if I'm late)

 

[Antipathy]

Dang it I keep falling behind. Did anybody post the nuLeia vs Leia classic comparison video yet? (apologies if I'm late)

Leia Sue. Just when I didn't think it could get any more pathetic.