Weeb Wars / AnimeGate / #KickVic / #IStandWithVic / #vickicksback - General Discussion Thread

[Captain Manning]

Someone said here (Manning maybe?) That donating to the GFM is like buying front row tickets to the big fight.

I believe my words were more akin to it being an investment of the generation of tard cum. Moreover, I really wanna see what comes out in discovery. I'm not a Vic fan per se, and I wanna see what Funimation thinks it has to have warranted such a shit show.

I'm not actually going to Texas to watch any trial though.

And speaking of the Justice Boner™, while it's clearly slown down a lot since meeting its goal, it's now overcharged at 106.2%.

 

[Sketti Land]

I'm planning an update to the OP tonight. Just waiting to see if something drops today as its the last business day before the weekend. Gonna add Haberkorn, Ron Toye and Pridemore to the main cast, gonna change the archive links to the full archive database of the twitter accounts. I kinda want to add Shane to the list too, but I am thinking he is probably just a Sped with delusions of grandeur. Anything else you guys think needs to go in?

Definitely add in what I posted about Amelia Cook, around page 48. In summary, she not only had direct contact with MarzGurl during the creation of the hashtag, but Lynzee Loveridge used to post for her Anime Feminist blog and directly replied to the initial hashtag tweet before posting the ANN article.
Great job on all this by the way. I’m sure the Amazons will have a much easier time with this thread thanks to all the work you’ve put in so far. Kudos!

 

[Dingus Egg]

I'm not actually going to Texas to watch any trial though.

Someone else probably lives closer anyway, but it would be a nice excuse to see family.

Moreover, I really wanna see what comes out in discovery

If we get discovery on something like this then I'm sure the rivers of Texas will flow white with milk.

 

[The Demon Pimp of Razgriz]

Oh but it can get even dumber than that! Somebody way back in the thread suggested they might ignore any subpoena or summons and whine on Twitter that they're being harassed. I could totally see this because when they get booked for failure to appear they can whine and screech more about how they're being martyred by the patriarchy

I've seen this said earlier in the thread, so I might as well address it: people don't get booked for failure to appear in civil court. They get booked for failing to appear in criminal court because that means they broke bail and and thus the law. In a civil case, if the defendants ignore summons or fail to appear in court, then what happens is the court renders what is called a default judgment against the defendant on behalf of the plaintiff. Essentially, a failure to appear is considered a "forfeit victory" (to use sports terminology); the failure to take action is the default. Its similar to pleading "no contest" in a criminal court case; by default the defendant has refused to contest the claims made against them by not showing up to contest them. If that happens in a trial that involves damages, the damages pleaded in the original complaint are what are entered and enforced against the defendant, though if proof of damages is required, there may be a separate hearing for that. The only way a default judgement can be vacated by the defending party is if they file a motion to do so (which they must do promptly) and show "good cause" for their lack of reason to appear. So if the likes of Marzgirl and such are properly served but simply ignore it, the judge will just issue a default judgment and they lose anyway. Individual states have their own laws regarding this, and I have no idea what Texas's laws are regarding this.

 

[Burnout]

I'll also add that is is a valid legal strategy, if the defendant in a civil case knows they could be on the hook for MORE than what's stated in the complaint, they do better to not show and let the stated damages stand rather than risk something worse being discovered.

 

[Medicated]

I'll also add that is is a valid legal strategy, if the defendant in a civil case knows they could be on the hook for MORE than what's stated in the complaint, they do better to not show and let the stated damages stand rather than risk something worse being discovered.

And then what happens? How do they enforce the verdict?

 

[Burnout]

And then what happens? How do they enforce the verdict?

I'm honestly not sure when it comes to things like asking for statements or retractions. The plaintiff can, I suppose, point to the ruling and say "The court said they were wrong" and expect potential employers or whatever to make decisions on that, but as we know the damage is much deeper than simple words can fix. Monetary damages can easily be assessed via lien or garnishing or whatever. Perhaps the judge could also hold no show defendants in contempt and proceed further with that. That's a good question, sorry I don't have a better answer.

 

[Son of Sparda 84]

Lets say that Monica, her tool of a boyfriend, and throw in Funi in the mix actually do have actual evidence and they waited till they went into court to actually show it. The question is why they never shown it on twitter so this can be put to bed real quick instead of the fiasco we're dealing with? Screw the testimonial bullshit just show us a video thats not unedited or is someone elses and prove to us that Vic is the sick man he is. Monica once said that we wouldn't get her because it was too sensitive however her actual wasn't all that horrifying. Yes he kissed you and triggered your PTSD but that isn't the sick man you were saying. And for the people who've we don't deserve evidence and we should just believe victims. You ever heard of a man named Michael Jackson? Have you seen the crap that is going is on with him especially add in the fact that he's dead and he can't defend. The Simpsons episode he was in is now never going to be seen on TV. Monuments of him are being taken down. And all because of a half ass documentary about something that was dealt with twice when he was alive. There comes a point where we need to stop the notion of believing victims and start having second guesses. I've read a tweet by KickVic supporter after Vic got fired from Funi and she said that we she treating women as actual people. No shit women are actual people the point of the whole thing is that people and we've have seen this from the KickVic side (and the IStandWithVic but atleast they own it up)

 

[The Demon Pimp of Razgriz]

And then what happens? How do they enforce the verdict?

Assuming the requirements for default judgement are met and the judgment is not successfully appealed by the defendant, then it is enforced the same way a normal verdict is enforced, with court orders and such. Once the court has ruled, there is not much the defendant can do in that case. For material damages, those should be easy to get. Court orders regarding other forms of compensation, like formal retractions and apologies will also be enforced by the courts, so if the defendants refuses to carry out those court mandated actions, they will be held in contempt of court, which carries criminal consequences, such as fines or jail time, depending on the situation.

Edit: Note, that in most cases, civil contempt does not carry criminal liability, but that changes when the contempt can be considered to harm the reputation of the court or the plaintiff. That would probably be the case here considering its a defamation suit. In most cases, it would be up to the plaintiff to enforce the court order. In this case, though, I think criminal liablilty will be assessed if the defendants refuse the court's measures due to the damage to Vic's career and reputation.

 

[UY 690]

Can we all just agree that the anti-vics don't want to go to court, and the pro-vics want to go to court?

Just think of all the times crack and heroin dealers invite cops and lawyers into their homes and businesses to have a look around. Vic is clearly guilty, here.

EDIT: Oh yeah. I forgot my pound of flesh.

https://twitter.com/ShayuKitsune/status/1104250918638239744

Who cares? Well, he starts in the #KickVic camp. And then later claims to be a convert from the #Stand camp.

Oh yeah. And he's a funny funny guy.

EDIT 2: And fuck you, I'm not archiving this shit. Go fuck yourself.

Fixed that for you.

 

[Big Rob Boss]

Assuming the requirements for default judgement are met and the judgment is not successfully appealed by the defendant, then it is enforced the same way a normal verdict is enforced, with court orders and such. Once the court has ruled, there is not much the defendant can do in that case. For material damages, those should be easy to get. Court orders regarding other forms of compensation, like formal retractions and apologies will also be enforced by the courts, so if the defendants refuses to carry out those court mandated actions, they will be held in contempt of court, which carries criminal consequences, such as fines or jail time, depending on the situation.

Considering it's likely that they'll dismiss the invitation to Court as ''Vic Stans harassing'' and they're the kind of people who won't shut up and believe the advice they get as ''silencing a stronk whaman'', I think it's actually plausible they can be held in contempt of court.
Or maybe that's just whishful thinking.

 

[AnOminous]

Great job on all this by the way. I’m sure the Amazons will have a much easier time with this thread thanks to all the work you’ve put in so far. Kudos!

All that "tee hee hee I'm just a girl what's a hashtag" bullshit, wasted.

 

[Le Pew]

Wouldn't it be an obvious strategy to sue for monetary damages if you think that somebody is just going to ignore showing up to a civil court case to accept the default judgement? What prevents you from suing for one million dollars if that's the case?

 

[UY 690]

I was wondering why hanleia wasn't addressing anything on her Twitter. That's because she's been gossiping somewhere else. I don't think the lawsuit will target her honestly, because she's just part of the group of yaoi fangirls that go back as far as 2006 that wanted his head for not being enthusiastic enough about their fantasy buttsex. They'll go after the people with actual platforms that signal boosted things, and added the air of legitimacy to rumor.

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Still feel like slapping the shit outta her though. What an arrogant ass.

Could you tell what account name she goes as on that cat site? Can't seem to find her name even when I use her Twitter name? Given the site allows folks to be anon. I would need to find it for research purposes.

 

[AnOminous]

Wouldn't it be an obvious strategy to sue for monetary damages if you think that somebody is just going to ignore showing up to a civil court case to accept the default judgement? What prevents you from suing for one million dollars if that's the case?

You still have to prove damages, it's just easier to do against an empty room. You can blow off the trial and just show up for the damages phase, if for whatever reason you think that is a good idea, which it isn't.

 

[Le Pew]

You still have to prove damages, it's just easier to do against an empty room. You can blow off the trial and just show up for the damages phase, if for whatever reason you think that is a good idea, which it isn't.

Gotcha. Thanks as always for the explanation.

 

[OldAmishRenegade]

just show us a video thats not unedited or is someone elses and prove to us that Vic is the sick man he is.

After endless digging on youtube I've finally found video proof of Vic on top of a coworker sexually assaulting them.

Unfortunately for kickvic the "victim" is Scott McNeil and he's having fun with it.

Vic Mignogna Glomping Scott McNeil

Vic Mignogna Glomping Scott McNeil at Scott's Panel at MetroCon 2007

www.youtube.com

Jokes aside does anyone know what's going on with Todd's GFM? It was supposed to go up yesterday but I haven't seen links floating around. I'm interested to see how it does.

 

[Dishwater]

Nick said in his earlier stream today he was waiting for the go-ahead from Todd on the GFM.

 

[Archeopthryx]

Are there firms specializing now on countering the life ruination techniques of these danger hairs? Or is it unprofitable since most of them are perpetually close to being broke?

 

[AnOminous]

Are there firms specializing now on countering the life ruination techniques of these danger hairs? Or is it unprofitable since most of them are perpetually close to being broke?

They're usually acting from within a corporation when they have any power. They have no power of their own so they hijack shit other people created to destroy it from within and turn it into a shitty SJW hive, which soon goes broke and they move on to another.