Weeb Wars / AnimeGate / #KickVic / #IStandWithVic / #vickicksback - General Discussion Thread

[AnOminous]

So on a scale from "moose horns up their ass" to "drowned in maple syrup", how fucked are they? If this is getting heard in Canada then they might be Gawker'd out of existence.

Texas makes more sense as a venue. Plaintiff there, many of the main defendants, the subject matter of the case mostly happened there, and they have other interesting options for causes of action other than merely defamation because, yet again, SJWs have indulged their bloodthirst with its direction aimed explicitly at specific contracts and business relationships.

 

[Captain Manning]

So on a scale from "moose horns up their ass" to "drowned in maple syrup", how fucked are they? If this is getting heard in Canada then they might be Gawker'd out of existence.

It won't be heard in Canada. Nobody from BHBH is licensed there, and Pro Hac Vice isn't a tool they could use there. They'll do it in Texas. Especially if they are building a "TI of business prospects" case and wanna play up the religious persecution angle. This isn't just straight defamation.

As for how fucked are they... if they LOSE, it's not going to take much in the way of damages to force them into bankruptcy and liquidation. They are much weaker than Gawker.

 

[AnOminous]

As for how fucked are they... if they LOSE, it's not going to take much in the way of damages to force them into bankruptcy and liquidation. They are much weaker than Gawker.

Is it even incorporated? Justin Sevakis and the individual authors could be personally liable for everything if not.

 

[Least Concern]

Baizuo

Wow. Love this word. I think I'm going to start using it. I wonder how accurate Google Translate's dictation is.

I didn't care so much for Rekieta's idea of using "these nasty anime companies are selling softcore pornography to children" to get sympathy points from a Texas jury. Down that road lies more censorship, either self-imposed by the company to stay under government radar, or imposed by the government itself. If a case with Funimation makes it to a courtroom, I should hope that it's strong enough that they wouldn't have to do that sort of thing.

 

[Captain Manning]

Is it even incorporated? Justin Sevakis and the individual authors could be personally liable for everything if not.

I would sure as fuck hope so. They're fucking morons if they aren't taking advantage of the corporate veil and limited liability that incorporation provides.

 

[AnOminous]

I didn't care so much for Rekieta's idea of using "these nasty anime companies are selling softcore pornography to children" to get sympathy points from a Texas jury.

That's just Nick speculating. Probably.

But just from the Beard firm's general litigation posture and attitude, I have no doubt that if they feel it beneficial to their client, they will burn everyone involved to the ground.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

That's unfortunate it wouldn't be in Canada. Libel tourism is a thing after all, and I'm not sure if Canada has tried to do anything about Americans using their courts to more efficiently wreck Canadians like the UK did.

 

[Captain Manning]

I didn't care so much for Rekieta's idea of using "these nasty anime companies are selling softcore pornography to children" to get sympathy points from a Texas jury.

That wasn't so much his idea as him spit-balling how a Denton County jury might perceive anime, and how Funimation wouldn't want to go to court in a conservative area of Texas. He's not calling for censorship.

I laughed when he mentioned a Texas soccer mom researching High School DxD. With the young girls, panty shots, boobs, nudity, and DEMONS.

Marchi voices the redhead, BTW.

I DO think they should play up the angle of Vic getting shit for being Christian though. If they can find solid evidence that is the true reason certain people acting as agents of the company wanted him gone.

That's unfortunate it wouldn't be in Canada.

Not really. Texas' tortious interference statutes might actually be stronger than Canada's general defamation law. The political climate might also work more to Vic's advantage.

The only thing out of this that might have to be heard outside of Texas is the shit Haberkorn is bringing against Pridemore. Both of them are in California, and I don't think they can (yet) make an argument she's fucked with his business opportunities in Texas. They went over how Haberkorn could hypothetically be handled on the Nick's stream involving the Amazons (tl;dr: They could apply for pro hac vice, and bring a California licensed attorney in if the court required it).

 

[Bullshit Fucked]

Somewhat hilariously, Paulson was so offended by his replacement's portrayal of Raphael that he said something along the lines of "he was passable, but he's definitely not the kind of person I'd let my daughter date."

Oh really? This I gotta see if you can source it. Raphael's stand-in is usually praised as the best impression of the original TMNT VA.

Honestly sounds like Paulson was just salty.

Man DC Douglass is a weird motherfucker

Perfect casting for Yoshikage Kira I say.

Hell, the entire Part 4 dub is pretty solid overall really.

 

[Least Concern]

That wasn't so much his idea as him spit-balling how a Denton County jury might perceive anime, and how Funimation wouldn't want to go to court in a conservative area of Texas. He's not calling for censorship.

I know he's not calling for it per se. I'm just worried that a normie who gets the degeneracy aspect of it all sold up to them might start calling for that sort of thing.

 

[Urbanmech]

The only thing out of this that might have to be heard outside of Texas is the shit Haberkorn is bringing against Pridemore. Both of them are in California, and I don't think they can (yet) make an argument she's fucked with his business opportunities in Texas. They went over how Haberkorn could hypothetically be handled on the Nick's stream involving the Amazons (tl;dr: They could apply for pro hac vice, and bring a California licensed attorney in if the court required it).

I thought they were going for defamation with the Pridemore case since she was telling people in DMs who the rapist was aka confirming it was Todd. But I do have memory problems so could be misremembering that now that I think about it.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

Oh really? This I gotta see if you can source it. Raphael's stand-in is usually praised as the best impression of the original TMNT VA.

Honestly sounds like Paulson was just salty.

One of the biggest criticisms of Turtles Forever is that the '80s Turtles are written in a way to make the 2003 Turtles look better and cooler in comparison. Paulsen was probably referring to the bastardization of the character, but it wouldn't surprise me if he was bummed about not being able to reprise one of his favorite roles and maybe felt intimidated by a soundalike (this guy). It's probably one of the reasons why he got cast in the 2012 show for all I know, though it made for funny meta humor when they did their own crossover episode (which may have been a subtle take that to the 4KIDS crossover special).

 

[repentance]

Nick is currently savaging Josh Clark and it's glorious.

 

[Captain Manning]

I know he's not calling for it per se. I'm just worried that a normie who gets the degeneracy aspect of it all sold up to them might start calling for that sort of thing.

It ain't a hard sell.

High School DxD contains MANY scenes that a reasonable person would describe as soft-core porn. Including myself, as an anime fan. Its sale to minors probably should be regulated, if it's not already.

Nobody is going to outright ban the thing. Nick is just saying the optics of what Funimation has done to Vic, coupled with some of the products they release, might be met with some degree of hostility from an east Texas jury. He's trying to suggest to anybody from Funi ,who might be watching, that a settlement of some sort could be very wise.

I thought they were going for defamation with the Pridemore case since she was telling people in DMs who the rapist was aka confirming it was Todd. But I do have memory problems so could be misremembering that now that I think about it.

Yes. That's pretty much all they can get her on right now. Todd hasn't been "fired" from anything.

EDIT: Sorry for typos. It's late.

 

[Curious Addie]

Here's that DC Douglas video that Anime Outsider mentioned: https://www.bitchute.com/video/jpGxNrIvFBmN/
It's basically just a degenerate gen x-er having a midlife crisis.

 

[AnOminous]

Yes. That's pretty much all they can get her on right now. Todd hasn't been "fired" from anything.

I'd be pretty sure Vic's side would want to associate any testimony and witnesses against him with a provable liar and rip her to shreds. Everyone else's testimony would be tainted just by association. The Vic kickers have themselves to blame for this when they ran with "everybody knows" as some sort of proof when so many of the accusers are outright liars, palpably insane, or otherwise just terrible witnesses.

 

[Hatoful Dandy]

Union/Non-Union work is a mess in of itself.

Essentially, union actors are barred from working in non-union projects. This doesn't stop said actors by going under an alias/pseudonym in order to do that work though. One of the noted examples in terms of Funimation was when it came time for dubbing the Android/Cell arc for Kai and a certain Dameon Clarke (Cell) has moved into being a union actor working on projects like Borderlands as Handsome Jack. So damn, that's a shame.

Oh! But have no fear! Mr "Dartanian Nickleback" literally sounds exactly the same as their "previous voice actor" for the role, so all is well and gold. No, of course not. Clarke and Nickleback are totally not the same person.

What's funny is that Travis Willingham was originally set to play Cell in Kai since he took over from Clarke in the video games but then that role got swept out from under him. Nowadays Clarke has reprised the role proper.

Steve Blum had a similar thing happen when they were going to dub Cowboy Bebop: Knockin' on Heaven's Door and he was 'replacing' Spike's dub actor "David Lucas" from the series.

 

[Urbanmech]

Yes. That's pretty much all they can get her on right now. Todd hasn't been "fired" from anything.

EDIT: Sorry for typos. It's late.

I think that is all Todd is going after. The GFM was going to be set at $10k which is no where near Vics. I think he just wants to go the Vic route to prove that Jessie was a liar.

 

[Recoil]

I've been really chomping at the bit about this case. I feel like I've been waiting to see these folks suffer the repercussions of their actions for years. The behavior exhibited by #kickvic has so exemplified social justice excess that it's cast the whole gang in new roles as sacrificial effigies, doomed to soak up a stash of schadenfreude we've all been working on for the better part of a decade.

 

[Captain Manning]

I'd be pretty sure Vic's side would want to associate any testimony and witnesses against him with a provable liar and rip her to shreds. Everyone else's testimony would be tainted just by association. The Vic kickers have themselves to blame for this when they ran with "everybody knows" as some sort of proof when so many of the accusers are outright liars, palpably insane, or otherwise just terrible witnesses.

Oh, for Vic, yeah. But they're employing an entirely different strategy for Vic's case.

Haberkorn's case is more straightforward (to the point where Nick has been told a GFM isn't even needed), and I brought him up when we were talking about jurisdiction because Haberkorn's case probably can't be done in Texas. They could probably do Vic's case against Pridemore in Texas though, if her bullshit can be linked to Funimation through the discovery process.