Brenton Tarrant posts on 8chan, shoots up Mosque killing 49 muslims in New Zealand, livestreams from GoPro

[Stunning and Brave]

In reference to his motivations, you're right.

Speaking as a former grunt who was married to Ma Deuce; no round is wasted, even if it doesn't have an immediate or visible target.
"When the going gets tough, the tough go cyclic."

However, he did not have an MG; he had shotguns and semi-auto carbines (in apparently rifle calibers), and he had no reason to issue suppressing fire after the initial entry.

Therefore; by wasting rounds on individuals who were either dead, dying, or incapacitated, Tardant was hampering his own success.

The comment about machine guns was a general statement about using a lot of bullets not with the primary intent of hitting the enemy, point being that wasting bullets is almost impossible.
Considering how many bullets he had, he could easily afford double tapping the victims. There is an argument to be made that he wasted a lot of time in the first mosque having to run back to the car to get a new gun with ammo, which might have saved the people in the second mosque (IIRC the man armed with a handgun in the 2nd mosque brought it as a response to the shooting).

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

Political violence and mass murder for fucking memes is now a part of our political discourse.

I read something by William S. Burroughs a long time ago, that posited a shared theory (with Gysin, iirc), which describes words as thought viruses, transmitted through speech & media, and often created and/or used by the agents of control.

Taking it further; ideas and causes are varying forms of thought-disease or syndromes; with information being the DNA.
Which can, of course, easily mutate from benign to extremely malignant.

My opinion is that they were right, and predicted memes as they've become.

 

[Fareal]

I read something by William S. Burroughs a long time ago, that posited a shared theory (with Gysin, iirc), which describes words as thought viruses, transmitted through speech & media, and often created and/or used by the agents of control.

My opinion is that they were right, and predicted memes as they've become.

Mostly the plot of Snow Crash. Words that literally reprogram your brain.

 

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Can't forget the idpol game. Part of the reason why demonize anyone who isn't ashamed to be white or a be a man is because they absolutely don't want to unleash the genie of white or male identity politics. But at the rate things are going, white identity politics will be rising, and they better hope to god they don't radicalize all the whites into legit Nazis or Brenton Tarrant types. They've screamed "Nazi" so many times that they're almost blind to actual Nazis--remember, PewDiePie is just as much of a Nazi as Brenton Tarrant.

It is literally only a matter of time. The Identity Marxist, NPC Left thinks they can social engineer a white identity politics of submissive and self hate... but that only plays well in extremely radical lefty circles. Outside of the 8% progressive bubble you have people at best just being silent out of fear of this stuff, at worst doing a slow burn or even radicalizing.

There's only so many times people can see "Black Lives Matter, FUCK WHITEY, gimmie gibs, we wuz kangs dat dindu nuffin, how DARE you claim to have a culture, George Washington was really an Arabic Muslim, ALL INVENTIONS COME FROM POC WHITES BTFO" before at some point they're going to go... "Ok, that's enough of that."

It's literally only a matter of time before someone like Brenton Tarrant, but whose skills are more suited to rhetoric and debate comes onto the stage. They are not going to like it when the various races they have bundled as undesirable Whites finally have enough and start playing IdPol back.

 

[Unog]

I came back and have a lot to say, so this is going to be a long ass post.

Aight, so I'm braced for the colorful puzzle piece internet stickers, but I genuinely want to understand where you're coming from with this.

1. Say the "incompatible with our values as westerners" bit is true. In that case, what do you do about Islam? Ban it?

We can start with nullifying the stigma surrounding talking about the religion itself and it's practices.

2. The generally held opinion here seems to be censorship in any form is bad and that freedom of speech. I also see a lot of if "x is banned, y and z will be too". Say you do want to ban it. If a whole established religion is banned (or otherwise restricted), is that not impending on personal freedoms? How do you prevent the eventual banning of other religions if a precedent has been set? And wouldn't that be censorship of like, the Quran?

I'm not trying to be like, "gotcha!" or whatever. I genuinely don't know.

For one, there's always exceptions that prove the rule. Islam has been described as "a political ideology wearing religion as a beard" and I don't disagree. It's the only modern religion that has these problems, and pretending it doesn't is unbelievably naive. Society can figure out a solution, as I'll expound on later in this post.

No point banning anything, since it'll just drive everything even further underground. (Though, I suspect that's what The GoPro-fessional admired about China.) Much easier for intelligence agencies to whack-a-mole these things when they're operating (more or less) in broad daylight.

This sentiment cannot be expressed enough. Driving these people into a corner is what made them imitate wild beasts to begin with, doing such further and in doing so separating them from rational discourse will only serve to inspire much the same.

The point that I'm well aware you were making in this post btw, I want to reiterate: If these people are open about it, at least we know who's at risk for violent action.

It is a genuine secondary concern to identifying a problem, how you should solve a problem.

If you have a corrupted hard disk and keep trying to reboot the computer it won't work, you have to accurately acknowledge the problem before you can solve it. Worrying about the problems in solving it in advance only gives undue anxiety.

Though if you do want to think about solutions, you can't effectively ban a religion and maintain a liberal society. (This is also part of the reason liberal society and islam don't mix; islam does want suppression of other religions and atheism)

And I always think this is a good thought experiment: if you moved with your family to saudi arabia, how many generations would it take for your family to celebrate stoning women for being raped and such? Or support legal forced marriages?

I think most people's answer is: hopefully never.

Then what makes muslims so different? And if they are so different, how could they be compatible as a people?

In the end I think the idea that you can seperate religion from the identity of a people can only result in the most massive of bloodshed. And as a result I think the most peaceful long term solution is remigration.

There may be better solutions. Just have to start acknowledging the problem to get more bigbrains on solving this.

I quote this in full because it's so well put together.

I am but a single man, but it's been proven that when you get enough humans together to solve a problem they (we) can find an answer so long as we can get on the same page and assess the information given. Breaking down the censorship of the problems that are occurring and allowing people to speak honestly about the situation will make way for actual solutions to be had that don't include capitulating to backwards beliefs.

No, you don't ban it - what you aim for is to make it as socially acceptable to mock and lampoon as any other religion. At the moment, if you make a quip in an office about, say, Mo flying around on the back of a winged horse, you'll be frogmarched into HR and likely fired for being insensitive - once that changes, tensions will fade.

I agree, but this is another immutable aspect of Islam. It's a basic tenet comparable to "thou shalt not kill" in their religion that one cannot mock nor make images of Mohammed. This isn't something that's going to be reconciled without people considering exactly what's going on here.

If you enjoy the freedoms of the western world and choose to keep it that way, then you do need to have a conversation about it.
Islam is completely incompatible with anything that isn't that exact sect of Islam. That's not a "what if". It's a reality.

Feminists should be pro-removing kebab. Islam is not a feminist religion, no matter what taqiyya hijab'd western muslims say. If we desire to keep the west or any country - China included, how it is, then you do not allow Islam to take over. Look at the UK. It's fucked, there's no saving it. The british are licking the balls of every Islamic brown person that strolls on in.

As for banning, no you don't ban it. You just start moderating it. You start holding them to the same standards everyone else is held to. You don't let them run around like animals. You send them back if they can't behave. You stem the flow of the savages and you don't go opening the flood gates to the ones directly from war zones.
You certainly don't kowtow to them, make up new laws to protect them and fetishize them like SJWs do in the west.

You encourage your own countries to be self feeding, you encourage your own citizens to raise the birth rate. You don't import replacement populations of second grade humans.

I'm not saying some muslims aren't good people, but their culture is incompatible with freedom. Hence why they fight each other, everyone else and flee their homelands all the time.

Also, to the people who say "Well.... white people stole the land from brown people" in Australia/NZ forget the small fact, that when they turned up, nothing was there. The people who were there beforehand didn't have any kind of modern culture. So "allowing" muslims to "take over" coz the "white people did it" isn't the same thing.

Having said that, I think it's terrible that innocent people were killed, when the people who should be killed are the dumbasses bringing them in and replacing the population with them. If anyone should be killed.

I'm quoting your post for a reason other than that I agree with a lot of it.

No, it is the same thing. Thousands of unique cultures, languages, etc. were destroyed by disease-ridden foreigners taking over the place and oppressing the locals. That's exactly what will happen if Islam is allowed to take over.

That's the greatest tragedy of mass immigration, the blending of cultures in an artificial, destructive way and imposition of some homogenized globalist culture. It's a world where New York, London, Baghdad, Delhi, and Tokyo all look the same and are inhabited by the same people. How ironic that in their quest for more diversity and multiculturalism, they will destroy diversity and multiculturalism in the process.


A wise man once said "Don’t worry so much about money. Worry about if people start deciding to kill reporters. That’s a quote." It would still be shit if he did kill journalists, but if you're going to film yourself killing 49 people and write all that bullshit on the internet, they better be journalists or politicians.

Another quote that, while I may not agree entirely with, is worth including in it's entirety.

I would hold off on calling him "intelligent and calculated". The massacre slippery sloping into the 9th crusade is a looooooooong fucking shot.
Also he was definitely insane. Sane people don't shoot at children.

I have to interject that this man was not insane. Calling him insane absolves him of the agency, or mens rea, of what he did.

If your first impulse after an atrocity like this is to think (or worse, say), "Everyone I already hate needs to be shut up," it's time to rethink your impulses.

If you're surprised that people are like that, it's time to grow the fuck up.

The one thing I've taken away from this is that Brenton Tarrant achieved everything they intended, and everyone who did as he expected is worthy of shame.

He wanted people to fling shit, point fingers, politically grandstand, virtue signal, blame everything but the asshole who pulled the trigger, and generally use this as an excuse to hate others instead of the sick bastard who murdered those people in cold blood.

He has won, he's laughing his ass off right now, and as disgusted as that makes me, I can't blame him, he got the entire world doing exactly as he expected.

This was a sick social experiment written in blood, and the script he wrote has been followed as he said it would be without a hitch.

I understand your anger and where you're coming from. That said, acting as if though this man was some kind of monster who had no pitiable grievances does nothing but help to serve his agenda. What we, as humans, can do is come together and address the problems the guy had.

I don't mean on this website, or in this thread, but in general. Our societies are fucking failing in the ability for people like this jackass to meaningfully express their grievances. I could go on but this post will be long enough.

Oh jesus, this won't play out well.

New zealand prime minister wearing hijab in "solidarity" today.

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This is simply disgusting, and exactly what this faggot wanted.

Lol, watch out guys, we got an internet badass in the thread.

Some people are accustomed to the intrinsic brutality and ugliness of man. Calling such people "edgelords" is pretty rich considering actual edgelords have a bafflingly less complicated view of the shooting.

I think it's the sheer scope of how many die that's unsettling. Gore-wise, no it's not like a Cartel video. Think one of the worst vids I'd seen was an ISIS execution where they put a homosexual in a cage and burned him to death.

It's not that bad. Faggots who are LARPing as PTSD victims here are exactly that: faggots. If you've never seen someone die you might want to read my previous post about how coddled the modern first-world human is.

I honestly doubt that it can fly that far (2 or 3 meters) just by turning around at that slow speed.

Dude I've accidentally knocked shelving further than this guy did his dropped magazine. You're being a sped here.

Mind-blowing revelation : people feel revulsion at the sight of other people dying even if there isn't guts flying everywhere, hell even if there's no blood at all. Very surprising I know, I mean I nonchalantly masturbated to the whole mosque part because I am very badass.

Nobody that I've seen in this thread since page 24 has made any kind of boast about how non-traumatizing the video was. You're being a faggot.

which feeds into their persecution complex and they then blame Jews etc and go shoot up a synagogue. Deplatforming is probably the dumbest thing ever because it just breeds radicalization.

All because leftists are too feeble brained and can’t debate or confront them on their bullshit. That is unless they’re covering their faces with masks, leading online witchunts and dox brigades, and burning trash cans.

Which is why I am against censorship.

There's been studies on just how humans can solve a problem, and the fix is in. If we're cooperative and non-hostile to one another, we can solve just about any problem. We're, as a species, very capable of solving even the most difficult of problems if we can stop screaming about how xenophobic or racist one another is for mere suggestions.

I'm just one guy, but I'm not so stupid as to overlook that if we stop the stigma and ostracization around the topic, we can come up with an answer, but we have to overcome the slavering horde-mind of whether or not something is possible to discuss.

 

[GethN7]

I understand your anger and where you're coming from. That said, acting as if though this man was some kind of monster who had no pitiable grievances does nothing but help to serve his agenda. What we, as humans, can do is come together and address the problems the guy had.

I don't mean on this website, or in this thread, but in general. Our societies are fucking failing in the ability for people like this jackass to meaningfully express their grievances. I could go on but this post will be long enough.

I won't deny there may have been a kernel of truth mixed with all the bullshit in that lunatic's manifesto, but ultimately he wanted to and succeeded in causing a shitstorm.

Even if it was meant as a demented wake up call, it's having the direct opposite effect of getting any real problems addressed.

Yes, he's right, there are a lot of Muslim extremists getting a shitload of leeway in this world that shouldn't, and it's disturbing, but cold blooded murder is the last way to get me to sympathize with any legitimate arguments he may have.

 

[OB 946]

Gotta love when apologists show their face on social media, and get mad when others are -rightfully- horrified by senseless violence.
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Violence is innate. I'm telling you, once you pull the trigger the first time, each subsequent time becomes easier and easier. Killing is insanely easy, and I'm not saying that to be edgy. There's a series of videos on YouTube where a journo interviews combat vets of different eras, and every one of them when asked if they would go back to war answer yes without any hesitation. It's like a high, dude.

You can say this specifically is why it's so scary. Humans are biologically and psychologically predisposed to not only not care but enjoy murdering out-group members. This is why the Popes called for crusades, so that Europe would go fight a common enemy. Murder is in our DNA, and no, we have not evolved past it, that's why hyper violent media, including glorified murder sims, are so popular.

It isn't senseless. You can call it gratuitous, you can call it counterproductive, but you can't call it senseless, because the emotions and feelings that people are having are normal. Lying down and waiting to have your homeland overrun with out-groups is not normal, and the desire to kill these people is normal and good.

Let me be very clear that I am not advocating violence, all I'm saying is killing is easy, normal, natural, and these killing sprees will only become more common as people's natural primal instincts overcome their fear of societal consequences.

 

[Bill Cosby SVP]

Even Elliot Rodger got points for innovation in psycho killer manifesto writing

Not really. Rodger had an Oriental version of tragic mulatto syndrome. He was obsessed with whites, being white because it was prestigious, and being blonde. I counted over 60 mentions of the word 'blonde' in his screed.

 

[Zilortha]

Except he doesn't mean his mom when he was a kid, but his mom right now when she won't get his tendies for him right now.



I think he was kind of at a loss when he'd actually done the deed and didn't know what to do next. Otherwise, he'd have done something more tactically useful like immediately leave to the next target or use that incendiary instead of aimlessly wandering back and forth just to shoot some dead people again.

A person might survive if they aren't hit in the vitals and just drop and play dead. But if someone goes through and shoots every incapacitated person in the vitals? It's a lot less likely.

That's one reason I think his kill count was so fucking high. We can joke that he just "wasted his time shooting dead people", but considering his kill/injured ratio? It seems more likely he was going through and executing the gravely injured.

 

[Jewelsmakerguy]

A person might survive if they aren't hit in the vitals and just drop and play dead. But if someone goes through and shoots every incapacitated person in the vitals? It's a lot less likely.

That's one reason I think his kill count was so fucking high. We can joke that he just "wasted his time shooting dead people", but considering how close his kill/injured ratio were it seems more likely he was going through and executing the gravely injured.

I certainly wouldn't put it past him. He did want to be remembered, and it's likely one or more of those people would be considered witnesses if they pulled through. So why not put two and two together?

 

[Unog]

I won't deny there may have been a kernel of truth mixed with all the bullshit in that lunatic's manifesto, but ultimately he wanted to and succeeded in causing a shitstorm.

Even if it was meant as a demented wake up call, it's having the direct opposite effect of getting any real problems addressed.

Yes, he's right, there are a lot of Muslim extremists getting a shitload of leeway in this world that shouldn't, and it's disturbing, but cold blooded murder is the last way to get me to sympathize with any legitimate arguments he may have.

Shockingly to you it's probably the most effective way to get people to sympathize with him. We're an incredibly violent species, and having this resentment boil for so long under the pot has done nothing but bring relief to those hoping this would happen eventually.

If you honestly believe most people are viewing this as a tragedy you are as politically equipped as a child.

Violence is innate. I'm telling you, once you pull the trigger the first time, each subsequent time becomes easier and easier. Killing is insanely easy, and I'm not saying that to be edgy. There's a series of videos on YouTube where a journo interviews combat vets of different eras, and every one of them when asked if they would go back to war answer yes without any hesitation. It's like a high, dude.

You can say this specifically is why it's so scary. Humans are biologically and psychologically predisposed to not only not care but enjoy murdering out-group members. This is why the Popes called for crusades, so that Europe would go fight a common enemy. Murder is in our DNA, and no, we have not evolved past it, that's why hyper violent media, including glorified murder sims, are so popular.

It isn't senseless. You can call it gratuitous, you can call it counterproductive, but you can't call it senseless, because the emotions and feelings that people are having are normal. Lying down and waiting to have your homeland overrun with out-groups is not normal, and the desire to kill these people is normal and good.

Let me be very clear that I am not advocating violence, all I'm saying is killing is easy, normal, natural, and these killing sprees will only become more common as people's natural primal instincts overcome their fear of societal consequences.

It's fucking fascinating that this guy, an LEO and self-admitted fed-hopeful is saying what so many are afraid of - that we're a violent species, and that the recourse is non-violent.

Societies in the west need to be able to talk about the problem, is the basic information to be gleaned here.

 

[Medicated]

Even if it was meant as a demented wake up call, it's having the direct opposite effect of getting any real problems addressed.

Yes, he's right, there are a lot of Muslim extremists getting a shitload of leeway in this world that shouldn't, and it's disturbing, but cold blooded murder is the last way to get me to sympathize with any legitimate arguments he may have.

Yeah but if this shooting didn't happen, nothing much would've changed socially apart from these calls for censorship coming a bit slower and a bit more spaced out. And there would probably be another random school shooting as well in America that would help the narrative along.

 

[Zilortha]

I certainly wouldn't put it past him. He did want to be remembered, and it's likely one or more of those people would be considered witnesses if they pulled through. So why not put two and two together?

I don't even necessarily think that's the reason. He streamed it from a facebook page with his own name attached lol. I don't think he was concerned about witnesses. Regardless of what happened, he was getting caught. So...
I think he just wanted to kill as many people as possible. Remember, this guy was a memelord. He was most certainly aware of the high score table and other such shit. Whether it was because he didn't want to be remembered in the same vein as a Randy Stair or Couch Cuck, or because he wanted to kill as many "invaders" as possible, he was thorough about ensuring the people he'd downed were actually dead.

 

[OB 946]

I won't deny there may have been a kernel of truth mixed with all the bullshit in that lunatic's manifesto, but ultimately he wanted to and succeeded in causing a shitstorm.

Even if it was meant as a demented wake up call, it's having the direct opposite effect of getting any real problems addressed.

Yes, he's right, there are a lot of Muslim extremists getting a shitload of leeway in this world that shouldn't, and it's disturbing, but cold blooded murder is the last way to get me to sympathize with any legitimate arguments he may have.

It doesn't resonate with you because you are not his target demographic. Right now, as we're talking about the logistics of autists shooting muslims, there are MILLIONS of military-aged-males on both sides that are ratcheting closer to doing the exact same thing at an AOC rally or Patriot Prayer march. It will happen, full stop. When it becomes not uncommon, they will start to coordinate, that's when Law and Order loses. That's when America and the West loses.

Long story short I was a part of a training exercise immediately after the Dallas killings of those cops back in 2015. We were testing the potential effects of a coordinated attack of 6 individuals on a similar BLM march as a reprisal killing. The attackers had 2 trucks, one driver each, 2 each in the bed of the pickup, prone, with rifles and thousands of rounds of ammo. Even though we knew an attack was coming, OPFOR was able to cause over 200 casualties, including a dozen officers, in less than 5 minutes and flee the scene without being immediately apprehended or neutralized.

Point blank Western society is not prepared for coordinated mass shooting events. If these lone wolf attackers ever figure out how bad the odds are stacked against us and decide to carry out attacks in groups, we're fucked. we have a million LEOs in this country and we have no way of protecting the public.

 

[Mola Ram]

If you're surprised that people are like that, it's time to grow the fuck up.

I'm not remotely surprised. Don't mistake my aggravation with the usual suspects milking this for their agendas for being a naif about this stuff.

 

[OB 946]

Shockingly to you it's probably the most effective way to get people to sympathize with him. We're an incredibly violent species, and having this resentment boil for so long under the pot has done nothing but bring relief to those hoping this would happen eventually.

If you honestly believe most people are viewing this as a tragedy you are as politically equipped as a child.



It's fucking fascinating that this guy, an LEO and self-admitted fed-hopeful is saying what so many are afraid of - that we're a violent species, and that the recourse is non-violent.

Societies in the west need to be able to talk about the problem, is the basic information to be gleaned here.

I say it because the only reason I have a job is because I am a violent asshole. Look up the article called "Violence is Golden." The only reason we live in peace is because people like you pay taxes so the government can pay people like me to violently repress criminality.

 

[Dingus Egg]

I don't even necessarily think that's the reason. He streamed it from a facebook page with his own name attached lol. I don't think he was concerned about witnesses. Regardless of what happened, he was getting caught. So...
I think he just wanted to kill as many people as possible. Remember, this guy was a memelord. He was most certainly aware of the high score table and other such shit. Whether it was because he didn't want to be remembered in the same vein as a Randy Stair or Couch Cuck, or because he wanted to kill as many "invaders" as possible, he was thorough about ensuring the people he'd downed were actually dead.

He didn't want to look incompetent because he wanted to accelerate the narrative. If he had killed two people and gotten cucked by a prayer mat or something we would be calling him a sped. Higher kill count means more revolution and more gravity to the deed.

Long story short I was a part of a training exercise immediately after the Dallas killings of those cops back in 2015. We were testing the potential effects of a coordinated attack of 6 individuals on a similar BLM march as a reprisal killing. The attackers had 2 trucks, one driver each, 2 each in the bed of the pickup, prone, with rifles and thousands of rounds of ammo. Even though we knew an attack was coming, OPFOR was able to cause over 200 casualties, including a dozen officers, in less than 5 minutes and flee the scene without being immediately apprehended or neutralized.

Point blank Western society is not prepared for coordinated mass shooting events. If these lone wolf attackers ever figure out how bad the odds are stacked against us and decide to carry out attacks in groups, we're fucked. we have a million LEOs in this country and we have no way of protecting the public.

This is why I don't leave my house anymore ever. My neetcave is a safespace.

But in all seriousness, things are reaching a boiling point. How many more attacks do you think it will take before the lid blows off?

 

[GethN7]

Shockingly to you it's probably the most effective way to get people to sympathize with him. We're an incredibly violent species, and having this resentment boil for so long under the pot has done nothing but bring relief to those hoping this would happen eventually.

If you honestly believe most people are viewing this as a tragedy you are as politically equipped as a child.



It's fucking fascinating that this guy, an LEO and self-admitted fed-hopeful is saying what so many are afraid of - that we're a violent species, and that the recourse is non-violent.

Societies in the west need to be able to talk about the problem, is the basic information to be gleaned here.

Agreed, violence is an innate part of our nature, only a fool would deny it.

However, let's not forget one thing: This asshole did this to attention whore.

By doing so, he has cheapened the very point he was trying to make. If this was done in utter seriousness, minus the memes and other bullshit, I might be able to take his message a little more seriously, brutal as it may be.

Instead, it's quite obvious this asshole killed people as much as for his own jollies as he did it to make a political point.

The pot is getting close to exploding and making a hell of a mess once the lid slides completely off, this assbag just gave the world a chilling foretaste of that, and that is a valuable lesson I can take from this: We do need to address what reasons made Tarrant's attention whoring by mass murder so attractive before MORE like this heartless murderer do this shit again.

 

[Slap47]

I was recently introduced to something called the "Twitter K-Pop Community". They're proud to announce themselves as retarded for some reason.

 

[Sm0kINHaZefEEliNBlaZEd]

It's not like he didn't leave a cringey, meme-ridden manifesto or anything stating such. I don't understand, is the MSM so detached that they'd ignore what he specifically said he wanted to come out of this to push their agenda?
Like I get they already are, but it's obvious to anyone who reads what he wrote.

The media hasn't practiced journalism for quite some time now. How many "journalists" reported on al Qaeda's motives/rational post 9/11? Especially right after the attack the narrative was pretty universal and pretty simplistic. Personally, I find it to be the result of the 24hr news cycle. Things like Twitter have only made it worse.