Brenton Tarrant posts on 8chan, shoots up Mosque killing 49 muslims in New Zealand, livestreams from GoPro

Take away the Guns, Censor the Video, Throw people in Jail for Having the Video, or do it all?

  • Just take the guns, it'll work out fine.

    Votes: 65 5.9%
  • Doesn't matter, it's Trump's Fault.

    Votes: 271 24.4%
  • Just ban the video, it's totally doable.

    Votes: 39 3.5%
  • DO EVERYTHING!

    Votes: 207 18.6%
  • Make Null turn us over, that'll make us safe.

    Votes: 528 47.6%

  • Total voters
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With that kind of information, you could easily keep yourself from being swayed by people who are, through ignorance or subterfuge, trying to tell you what happened and giving you an incorrect representation of said events. On a personal level, it's incredibly important. However, I'd have to say to try and go to the extreme of making people aware by spreading it around online just makes you look like a jackass(not you particularly, but I'm sure some people somewhere have that mindset).

Agreed. Historians always must be careful with primary and secondary sources. A lot of Ancient Greek and Roman work we have is lost and we only have quotations, and that has the personal view of the quoter baked in. Even first-hand accounts can be embellished and/or mis-remembered afterwards. Video and photographs capture a lot of detail that just can't be remembered exactly, but with photoshop and deepfakes it's also possible to alter these "primary sources" and pass them off as unmodified.
 
A lot of mass shootings, especially Columbine and all the people influenced by Eric and Dylan were far more nihilistic than this. Eric Harris in particular wanted to kill as many people as possible, blow cities up, and even hijack planes and crash them into NYC just to cause destruction, chaos, and riots. Elliot Rodger also had delusions of starting as much shit as possible as well.

This was more or less classic terrorism mixed in with the shooter having the background of being a channer. Considering how he's racked up sympathizers across the internet unlike a lot of mass shooters who only get mocked or condemned, this is very different.

Maybe this was the point. If the nihilism theory is true, he probably knew if this was another dime-a-dozen nihilist who shot up a place, it wouldn't get as much headlines. By playing it this way, he's riled up as many people as possible and once he gets bored with the whole "Saving the West from Islam" routine, he'll pull the rug from under the White Nationalist crowd and pretends he believes in something else and repeats the process until he gets bored with that too and offs himself, all the while knowing that the chaos he's caused will continue for some time.
 
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OK we get it you were in the military

Shut the fuck up and stop powerleveling you exceptional individual sperg nobody cares.

And your comment isn't?

Apparently someone recently kicked sand all up in your fourth point of contact, or you're just permamad at the internet.

Thank you for removing all doubt.

Off you go, tyke.
 
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Jesus. They REALLY don't want non-approved people talking about this guy. Quick, make about 5 fake domain names and set up a filename randomizer.
 
So some people have been digging around and there are now links to an old article circulating about the goings on in the totally peaceful, integrated Muslims.
Turns out, shockingly, that this mosque, like every other mosque in the west and most mosques on the planet, was hosting violent Islamist preachers and some stupid white boys that converted (one of which converted and was radicalized at the mosque that was attacked) got blown up by drones on their terrorism adventures abroad.

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So far the list of people responsible for this shooting are 8chan users, conservative commentators, anyone who has ever criticized mass migration, Chelsea Clinton, and anyone who called Ilhan Omar an anti semite.

It seems like the only person who isn’t responsible for this guy shooting a bunch of fucking people is the guy who went to those mosques and shot a bunch of fucking people.
 
Is this a Youtube Play button type situation? Does he get a bronze plaque to put on his cell wall?

In before Unreal Tournament MMMMMultikill meme.
It's a disappointing 4th place on the solo FPS scoreboard though https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/High_Score
Soooooo close to the podium but he'd need 7 more to die from their wounds I'd say it's very unlikely at this point
 
Now that the faggotry has abated, I'll thrown in my take.

I think we've witnessed the first mass shooting based on complete and utter nihilism. You can call him evil, because that's what the goal was. You can't call him crazy, because he knew exactly what he was doing. I say this was a shooting of nihilism because there is no one real ideology here he's rooting for. He absolutely knew what he was about to do would call for more censorship, silence more speech and hurt the side the media thinks he's on far more than it ever would do anything. He gave the media exactly what it was craving, more meat for the meat grinder. He knew they'd push hard against the other side. He expected and predicted this outcome.

He's for nothing but more conflict, more death, more suppression for the sake of his own entertainment. You're looking at a pure sociopath at work. He had no other goals other than to hammer a wedge deeper between people, increase tribalism and radicalize both sides further to a breaking point. For him, this was taking too long so he expedited the process. He didn't off himself precisely because he wants to see the outcome of his work. He wants to see blood in the streets, he wants to read the papers. He wants the trial to be a pure shit show.

And that's exactly what he is going to get. He's going to use that trial to make this situation even worse. He's going to do anything he can to inflame conflict even more. This guy wasn't 'radicalized'. He was a born sociopath who got bored and felt he could basically push the world closer to the brink and knew exactly how to do it. Like I said, his choice of victims, his own race, his manifesto, everything was crafted to make this situation even worse. The fact he fucking succeeded is shocking to me (granted, the police taking 10 minutes to respond to a mass shooting didn't fucking help) but I guess this shit was inevitable. Some sociopath could see how to make things worse and do it. I guess it didn't happen in the states because you're more likely to get shot the fuck up by LEOs or armed citizens before you got this far. And even if you did survive, you'd be thrown in a deep, dark hole for the rest of your life so you couldn't see the results of your 'work'.

I don't believe for a second the shit he espouses regarding Muslims. They were on his hit-list for the reaction only. He doesn't care about any of this white nationalist shit, its all a fucking show. He wants to burn everything down and dance in the fucking ashes.

In terms of his motivation, its one of the more monstrous things I've witnessed. I can understand jihadists, ethnic killings and even genocidal purges. Humans are xenophobic by nature, in the past we didn't move more than 20 miles from our homes in our lifetimes, if that. Anyone from the outside was a potential threat, so we naturally form tribes. He's a member of no tribe, cares about nothing.

His motives are more akin to a serial killer than anything else. Murder for his own pleasure, and the pleasure of doing harm to other people. Like I said, a pure sociopath. Everything else is just window dressing, bait for pushing both sides to the breaking point. The problem is, we've all been tribalized. And the instinct to defend your tribe is strong. So that's going to get lost in this whole mess.

The fact is that he's a serial killer at heart. Murder for its own sake and to hurt as many people as possible. He gains pleasure for every bit of dissent he sows. The worst thing is, he's already won. He pretty much won before he started. He knew the climate insanely well and played it like a fiddle. You think we couldn't have logical debate before? Try now. He made himself the media's worst 'fears' and their biggest profit maker. This will be exploited for profit, milked and used as a political bludgeon. His intent was to weaponize this act for his own amusement and he did it. If he even had a modicum of care, he knew this wouldn't help anything or anyone. He fucking knew it. That's why I say he's more like a serial killer than anything else. The only thing we can do is spite him. Hold his trial in secret. Throw him in solitary for the rest of his life. Let him see none of the things that have come out of this. Let him go so mental he bashes his own skull in on the walls of his cell so he has something to do. But we all know this won't happen.

There's no real ideology behind this. That's the stage play, the big lie. This is serial mass murder for an individual's pleasure and to cause as much harm to other people as possible. He set his stage, now he gets to watch his show. And we're all the fucking puppets of this psychopath.
I couldn't between rating this a thunk or a like ?
 
Had to make an account here to say thank you.

I've tried having discussions about this all over the place. Many sites purge even mentioning Christchurch. All videos eventually break, linking to the manifesto (which with how media keeps spinning it, is very important. Amazing how they took the bait) gets you banned, entire subreddits are being nuked from orbit without any regard for content, etc.

I may stick around, I may not, but sweet Christ. This is one of the very, very few places on the internet we're allowed to just... talk.

On one hand I don't want to continue discussing Christchurch as that was his main objective. To get people talking and spread what he did. On the other, there is so much misinformation, especially from mainstream sources, that is being spread to millions. Nobody is fact checking. Those that try are unable to find many sources, or worse, are screamed at and accused of supporting the shooter.

Fuck that. I have an innate need in my very soul to counter the misinformation and show how this crackpot perfectly played everyone and is laughing in his jailcell right now as the chaos unfolds.
 
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ffs

Are they going to stop people sharing Elliot Rodger's manifesto? Unabombers? The Zapruda film?

All this is going to do is erase contemporaneous records of what really happened. Once enough time has passed, books will be written and movies made, but they'll present whatever "truth" is acceptable at the time. And people will remember that distorted truth as being factual.

It's social engineering at its worst.
 
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