Brenton Tarrant posts on 8chan, shoots up Mosque killing 49 muslims in New Zealand, livestreams from GoPro

Take away the Guns, Censor the Video, Throw people in Jail for Having the Video, or do it all?

  • Just take the guns, it'll work out fine.

    Votes: 65 5.9%
  • Doesn't matter, it's Trump's Fault.

    Votes: 271 24.4%
  • Just ban the video, it's totally doable.

    Votes: 39 3.5%
  • DO EVERYTHING!

    Votes: 207 18.6%
  • Make Null turn us over, that'll make us safe.

    Votes: 528 47.6%

  • Total voters
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Again, people from NZ and countries where possession/distribution of a video like that can be assimilated to hate speech or is otherwise illegal should not use the torrent. Sure, unless you're going all "WPWW :feels: Love you Brenton :feels: 1488" on your 50k-follower twitter you're probably 99% safe, still "Terror porn enthusiast" doesn't look good on a resume and people ARE prosecuted for shit like that, so don't be stupid.
Imagine living in an authoritarian society where the mere distribution of a video is a crime of the highest degree.

Download the video. Information isn't a crime. Do not let them stop the signal.
 
To everyone saying "information isn't a crime", let me play Devil's advocate - is possession of CP a crime? If so, why, if it's simply information documenting the sexual abuse of children?

How is watching a video of people getting massacred from a first person perspective and getting your jollies from seeing it, as I'm sure some people who watch it do, different from a person looking at CP and getting their jollies from it? Yes, the mosque shooting happened, and this is video documentation of exactly how it went down. Yes, the child porn did get made, and the pictures are documentation of that event.

This is how it looks to people on the outside. It's such blatantly distasteful material that your argument that "it's just information man!!! hack the planet!!!" doesn't hold up.
 
When it becomes not uncommon, they will start to coordinate, that's when Law and Order loses. That's when America and the West loses.

Hasn't the West "lost" already? The Governments of the west have instituted these policies because they are willing to bolster stockmarket growth numbers under the name of equality and destabilize the social fabric of their own countries.
 
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Timcast vlogged about censorship who hit social media in the wake of New Zealand incident.

We got to see more and more comments similar to that Youtube commenter. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsEINBMalyc&lc=UgzAttKHkSotMDgdraF4AaABAg
They'll use the shooting to censor as many moderate and right wing voices as they can. It's coming. Just watch, and wait. We don't see this same outrage when there are Islamic terrorist attacks against worshipers in churches in Egypt, Iraq, Syria, Philippines etc... You've got an army of pseudo-journalist activists scourging through videos, blogs, articles, tweets, etc looking for any sort of material that they think they can connect to the shooting and can get someone censored or even arrested for in the case of the UK....

Edit: Here one more Youtube commenter worth to quote. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsEINBMalyc&lc=UgyqWZPHvfyob66ohDR4AaABAg
Muslims murdering other muslims: crickets Muslims brutally killing westerners including horror executions like beheading cute girls hiking Moroccan mountains: Meh, part and parcel. Don't look back in anger. :^) One mad lad shooting up a mosque: GLOBAL OUTRAGE! DAMN WHITE SUPREMACY! CENSOR EVERYTHING!!!111111
 
To everyone saying "information isn't a crime", let me play Devil's advocate - is possession of CP a crime? If so, why, if it's simply information documenting the sexual abuse of children?

How is watching a video of people getting massacred from a first person perspective and getting your jollies from seeing it, as I'm sure some people who watch it do, different from a person looking at CP and getting their jollies from it? Yes, the mosque shooting happened, and this is video documentation of exactly how it went down. Yes, the child porn did get made, and the pictures are documentation of that event.

This is how it looks to people on the outside. It's such blatantly distasteful material that your argument that "it's just information man!!! hack the planet!!!" doesn't hold up.
Child pornography is made with the intention of stimulating sexual arousal. The manifesto of a shooter was not made with such an intent in mind. Someone jerking off to 50 muzzies getting a surprise ticket to Allah's side isn't reason enough to permit the censorship that is happening.
 
This is how it looks to people on the outside. It's such blatantly distasteful material that your argument that "it's just information man!!! hack the planet!!!" doesn't hold up.

The Zapruda film is distasteful. The footage of 9/11 is distasteful. The footage of the Vietnam war is distasteful. The images of the aftermath of the Paris bombings are distasteful. The images from the Jonestown mass suicide are distasteful.

For at least 50 years distasteful imagery has been beamed into our living rooms via television and/or greeted us on the front page of our newspapers. Why has it suddenly become unacceptable for people to be exposed to the harsh reality of newsworthy events? How many of those who support the censorship of both the documents and the imagery related to this event spent days glued to the television after 9/11? It's either all acceptable or none of it is.
 
To everyone saying "information isn't a crime", let me play Devil's advocate - is possession of CP a crime? If so, why, if it's simply information documenting the sexual abuse of children?

How is watching a video of people getting massacred from a first person perspective and getting your jollies from seeing it, as I'm sure some people who watch it do, different from a person looking at CP and getting their jollies from it? Yes, the mosque shooting happened, and this is video documentation of exactly how it went down. Yes, the child porn did get made, and the pictures are documentation of that event.

This is how it looks to people on the outside. It's such blatantly distasteful material that your argument that "it's just information man!!! hack the planet!!!" doesn't hold up.
Predators pay for access and possession of the CP, creating a demand which is satisfied by creating more CP by abusing more children. Someone who has CP has either contributed to that market himself or has ties to someone else who contributed (or created the content through his own abuse of children).

No one is paying for this video. There is no fiscal demand for more videos of mass murders that would create a sustainable market. That is what makes it a historical document, as opposed to a commodity.

At least, this is my understanding of the difference.
 
The media have had access to the full manifesto as long as anyone else and they actually have a good reason to look at it. And they're so immensely irresponsible that even in the face of the murderer's unfiltered statement of intent, the media are still giving this guy exactly what he wants.

They don't care, never will. His media narrative was set in stone before he even began planning his attacks.
 
This is how it looks to people on the outside. It's such blatantly distasteful material that your argument that "it's just information man!!! hack the planet!!!" doesn't hold up.

The proper response to that is to say that we shouldn't censor anything for being distasteful, come hell or high water.
 
This is how it looks to people on the outside. It's such blatantly distasteful material that your argument that "it's just information man!!! hack the planet!!!" doesn't hold up.

So long as they aren't physically capable of stopping it, I don't really care about what it looks like to morons. I'm more concerned with keeping it impossible for them to do anything than convincing deeply stupid people.
 
I won't deny there may have been a kernel of truth mixed with all the bullshit in that lunatic's manifesto, but ultimately he wanted to and succeeded in causing a shitstorm.

Even if it was meant as a demented wake up call, it's having the direct opposite effect of getting any real problems addressed.

Yes, he's right, there are a lot of Muslim extremists getting a shitload of leeway in this world that shouldn't, and it's disturbing, but cold blooded murder is the last way to get me to sympathize with any legitimate arguments he may have.

He's not trying to get you or me to sympathize with him, though. He's not trying to affect political change by winning us over with legitimate arguments. He's telling the people who already agree with him to nut up and act on their beliefs and showing them how easy it is.
 
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To everyone saying "information isn't a crime", let me play Devil's advocate - is possession of CP a crime? If so, why, if it's simply information documenting the sexual abuse of children?

How is watching a video of people getting massacred from a first person perspective and getting your jollies from seeing it, as I'm sure some people who watch it do, different from a person looking at CP and getting their jollies from it? Yes, the mosque shooting happened, and this is video documentation of exactly how it went down. Yes, the child porn did get made, and the pictures are documentation of that event.

This is how it looks to people on the outside. It's such blatantly distasteful material that your argument that "it's just information man!!! hack the planet!!!" doesn't hold up.
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