Brenton Tarrant posts on 8chan, shoots up Mosque killing 49 muslims in New Zealand, livestreams from GoPro

[Vanilla Essence]

First comment, I'm from oz, never knew of this site before Friday, signed up as I can't for the life of me see a valid reason to be suppressing this so vigorously. Threatening people with prison for simply knowing the facts of an event conveyed via a pdf or video is outrageous.

Even a perpetrator is entitled to free-speech and to be heard.

They even give people to be executed, "Any last words?".

Suppressing the flow of the key facts is also an outrage. The people who have pushed this suppression clearly have not thought it through too well, or if they did they failed to notice that it's a really bad idea. Plus this suppression has predictably completely failed.

So you then disenfranchise your own citizens via threatening to imprison them for up to ten years? Did they even do stuff like that in East Germany, in 1972? Do murderers get ten years these days? Out in seven?

But a video being propagated can get you 14 years?

Draconian government much?

But they have no qualms permitting any kid unlimited access to smartphone and internet for the past decade or two?

Hypocrisy perfected.

 

[Lysenko]

Disgusting. Clearly done because they knew their 15 minutes were almost up, but the media will of course talk about how brave they are for flying halfway across the world to tard cum this tragedy.

Lol do they have any clue a guy chased Brenton away from the Linwood Mosque (2nd Mosque) with A GUN?! Literally a gun probably saved people's lives and the NPCs are all "guns orange man bad"

 

[AnOminous]

Lol do they have any clue a guy chased Brenton away from the Linwood Mosque (2nd Mosque) with A GUN?! Literally a gun probably saved people's lives and the NPCs are all "guns orange man bad"

If anything they should be giving personnel at vulnerable places of worship firearms training.

 

[wendy]

hey guys i know i'm a little late on this, but uhh should i be worried about the coming days?

 

[️ronic]

hey guys i know i'm a little late on this, but uhh should i be worried about the coming days?

Not as long as you remember to subscribe to Pewdiepie.

 

[Dan Abrams]

hey guys i know i'm a little late on this, but uhh should i be worried about the coming days?

Yes. All white males are being put into a registry for later processing into internment camps for the safety of women and Muslims.

 

[️ronic]

Yes. All white males are being put into a registry for later processing into internment camps for the safety of women and Muslims.

Can confirm, am in gulag.

The wifi in here sucks.

 

[QI 541]

If anything they should be giving personnel at vulnerable places of worship firearms training.

Giving firearms training to mosques

I can already hear /pol/'s heads exploding.

 

[repentance]

hey guys i know i'm a little late on this, but uhh should i be worried about the coming days?

That depends. Are you in NZ and did you download the video?

 

[wendy]

Edit: made an oopsie

That depends. Are you in NZ and did you download the video?

nope and nope

 

[repentance]

If anything they should be giving personnel at vulnerable places of worship firearms training.

Where does that stop, though? It's not like there's a limited amount of places in which people are vulnerable. And it's not like these people - whether terrorists or spree killers - won't find another soft target.

 

[Varg Did Nothing Wrong]

Where does that stop, though? It's not like there's a limited amount of places in which people are vulnerable. And it's not like these people - whether terrorists or spree killers - won't find another soft target.

The obvious answer - an armed society is a polite society.

Make every target hard.

 

[AnOminous]

Where does that stop, though? It's not like there's a limited amount of places in which people are vulnerable. And it's not like these people - whether terrorists or spree killers - won't find another soft target.

Then you move on to those. If we're going to have so many armed people in the first place, as many of them as possible should be actually capable of using them usefully and training to do so should be encouraged. This is a U.S. thing, really, not an anywhere else thing where they need a license for a bread knife.

 

[Mewtwo_Rain]

Here are my thoughts on the subject : Sorry if some of these arguments/thoughts were already pointed out I stopped reading around page 40.

Few notes though:

1) I am not right wing. (Nor am I left wing) 2. Most of this is based on theory and observation. 3. I am not racist, but I will be realistic based on observation of patterns of racial groups and other such groups (racial, sexual, etc.) 4. It will be a bit of a long rant. I apologize in advance.

First off:

A lot of people I saw were commenting on how they didn't understand how an event around the world would have an effect (or affect) on U.S. policy, politics, or the rift already existing between the left and the right:

The real truth is the left here look for any reason to escalate their extremist demands, and their destruction of the US via subversion. (Open borders, flooding via immigration of voting blocks who vote mainly for the left by race, and more) So any events can be used as a precedent to enact more gun control (to prevent future events) which laws are mainly about: Potential. Since laws don't actually stop crime only deter them.

So to say it would have no effect on the US is actually wrong. It's just at a more micro level. (Basically a fuel to a fire kind of play out.) Keep in mind Whites are becoming a minority and we see via studies that indeed minorities often vote not only majorly Democrat, but also anti-2A, and also freedom of speech (For hate speech laws/etc.) There is also a lot of tribalism from these immigrant (illegal and legal) groups that breeds conformity to these kind of thought patterns and events like this are used to provide a feedback loop or a confirmation bias for their voting habits. It's easy manipulation and can be used as emotional appeals in politics to push for such concepts.

It can also be used to demonize those who believe similar things but aren't violent, or "alt-right" or "Nazi's/White supremacist." Yes, I myself as a more centrist/ "Other" group kind of person believes the attempt at White genocide is real with quite a bit of events and evidence and even circumstantial evidence I've seen over the last few years. So him making these talking points if he was to agitate could be to lock down and have anyone who believes in such beliefs as extremist whether it is true or not. Such is a means to discredit those who bring up said "theories" so that they can't be considered in case they are correct or true, and the fact it would be done in the first place seems intentional in my opinion or it could be optics at work thanks to a "muddying of the waters." Hard to say really.

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Muslims and optics:

The problem I have with people saying "There are better methods to remove them" is there are no legal methods to force them out that wouldn't' violate human rights, or lead to bloodshed. This is not a justification of this shooter's actions, but I do want to enforce the counter extreme "We should all just be pacifist" is also Utopian nonsense that will only end up either making western countries shit holes or having us lose our cultures and going backwards off the proverbial cliff. Even if you don't believe in White genocide that will be eventual if things do not change and if people do not act.

Let me add these groups with the left such as in the US have made a vicious circle of policy where minorities get financial funding to have upwards of often 5-7 children in the US alone. While most white people can barely afford to have one kid if even that, thanks to often being turned down for the same incentives and as some call it "free shit." Even if you remove the "free shit" these groups will not leave because it would be costly for them to which in the long run would lead to violence. This other Utopian belief they will just leave is whimsical and unrealistic at best. You give people money and you expect they'll just give it up? Not happening.

Onto the Muslims though:

Muslims often paint themselves as victims, when they commit terrorism, they are the victims, not the actual targeted by Muslim extremists, when they are attacked they also cry about victim hood. The real truth is I have no sympathy, by this ruse they pull. You can say I'm heartless but I lost all sympathy when estimations of millions of British girls were being raped by Muslim rape gangs and Muslims then went out decrying how THEY were the victims and not the girls because someone might get mad at them for the actions taken by their group in general... It disgusts me .

Let me add, Pew's research has done many studies into Muslims and pushing of Sharia law and the estimations were often calculated between 40%-51% pushing for it in most countries with a sizable Muslim population. That means it could be larger by estimation but those are the general estimates of those who answered and even then of those who answered supposively honestly. For those who aren't so well educated on Islam, Sharia law is a legal system that by all means oppresses all non-Muslims. So if a decent size (2/5) or over Half are pushing for it that is not a good sign. Take into account Taqiya, and other subversive orders some Muslims follow from the Hadith, and other parts of the Quaran and you lead me to why I don't trust Muslims in particular. Don't get me started on some legislation they pushed for in Canada such as "Anti-Islamaphobia bills" to crack down on criticism of Islam and my case becomes more apparent. They also tried this in the US congress recently with a certain bill.

I'd also point out Muslims do not live in tolerant societies, and do not push for tolerant policies. Being tolerant to intolerance is not tolerance. No more than if you had a neighbor that wanted to physically remove you or start conflicts with everyone would that be a live and let live standard. If Muslims did act like that nobody would mind. That's not the case though. We even see that from recently elected Muslims in the US who are not constitutional and seem to have an issue with not only violations of power but acting like civil servants as they should upholding the law of the land instead of their own personal desires.

I do not consider Islam a religion it is a military cult. No matter how one tries to dismiss it the fact is throughout history groups of people had to either beat back Muslims who invaded and over took societies by flooding them via biological warfare (having many children to outnumber the other residents/citizens) or by using their children to kill the citizens while they would produce more children. IE: Have your child commit terrorism killing a small group of citizens, then have two more children while that family line hit in the terror attack is gone. Thus allowing you to outnumber, and subvert a country.

Just because you may know some Muslims who are friendly doesn't mean they aren't plotting against your country or trying to take over. In fact the story of Taqiya was exactly a similar situation by the Muslims. They are to make friends with non-Muslims and then lie to them to undermine them. Many do follow this and the fact many Muslims want Sharia law which would punish non-Muslims implies the same thing.

Even many "moderates" admit to practicing or pushing some extremist content or beliefs (Or get exposed doing so). Such as moderates on Youtube who were caught promoting child brides despite claiming they weren't extremist. It's the same tactic the left does in the US to no one's surprise considering the left has allied with Muslims. Weird coincidence. "I'm not like the extreme left!" as they push for open borders which is tantamount to treason.

Even many ex-Muslims who I've personally known (who are marked for death for a reason!) talk about how moderate Muslims won't kill you, they just get the extreme ones too so they can keep their hands clean of the blood. Which in my opinion makes them just as guilty and just as extreme by indirect execution of their actions.

So what are the optics

To many people play by "normies optics" which means pulling the bigger man routine or the old and idiotic concept that by acting as the Muslims do towards Muslims makes you as bad as them. IE: Bullying the bully makes you a bully. Which is nonsense. Now these people may be "innocent" I use the term may as we don't know them well enough to make that judgement call, but let me say the shooting is unacceptable and won't change much, but there may have been another purpose or intent by it which I'll get to in a bit, I will say though if these groups can not behave like citizens and do attempt to undermine the host countries they do not belong here. IF they push extremist views and push for extremist laws, they again should not be tolerated . They would have you beheaded in an instant in their own countries, but we should tolerate intolerance? NO. That is acting like a bully, cowarding away from responsibility. If you allow someone to knowingly be victimized then you are just as bad as the bully then. Stop pretending to be on a moral pedestal if you don't have a moral high ground by your own inaction or indirect actions leading to these victimization's. It's unseemly and I will say intellectual cowardice of the highest order. Not directing attacks at anyone to be clear, just my view on such rationalizations. (hate the sin not the sinner kind of concept.)--> Hate the idea not the thinker I guess would be the better way to phrase it.


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Motivations of the shootings:

Now although most people suspect it's simply, "Neo-Nazi group" which it may be, Someone who went ballistic as implied (or directly stated) in the writings. There's also the possibility it may have been a forced escalation, most people have already suggested in this topic about it being to start a civil war, or even undermine a specific political group (of either side.)

Honestly, it may even be escalation (acceleration) of a scorched earth mindset. Let's say he believe full heartedly that White genocide is real, and nothing he says is outright lying he believes what he is saying. Whether it is true or not . He may feel it is a hopeless cause for the west or even White people without forcing the system to basically break down into bloodshed or cause a extreme--->Counter extreme event in a hurry before allowing the Muslims to over populate thus making them have larger numbers than the general populace. Which historically I can see the reason he would take such a drastic gamble with the cowardice within western countries, even if it probably won't end well in either outcome of said actions.

Note: I am not justifying said actions only merely clarifying I can see why these actions and attempt at reactions would take place, no matter how misguided or credible.


However, many people suggesting "Just focus on the adults/elites (Politicians) won't solve this either. In fact if the politicians are attacked optics will kick in and they will be a martyr for the cause of the opposition to those wanting to fix their countries or believe western countries are falling into disrepair. Never forget something similar happened during Brexit where a politician was murdered and became a martyr to remain whether you agreed with Brexit or not.

Now, if you were to believe such an outcome you'd find the only real solution is a gamble, a scorched earth policy, escalating a civil war to force both sides to act while your own side has the larger amount of numbers. Since White people are not having major births and Muslims are you can see the overall conflict and tactical aspect of why many assume Muslims are using biological warfare against western nations and why it may be a real issue.

It may also escalate the heavily biased media to attack one political group (right wing mainly) over the left which could lead to violent retaliation from either side or reverse retaliation, and thus kick it off right there possibly in not just one country but multiple. In a world with internet it's a lot less preposterous than it seems. Especially since many of these western nations are on edge.

-The other possibility:

Some have mentioned "False flaggers" in the comments, and I want to clear one misconception:

"False flags" are conspiracies not directly conspiracy theories. There is evidence to support they happen quite often so to suggest one may have taken place is far from unrealistic. Too many people depend on pseudo-intellectualism to make their arguments but realize rational arguments realize the world is far more complex and often time events are not as simple as they seem. They can be simple, but to flat out deny the counter possibility is more delusional than intellectual. Doesn't mean this is a false flag in this case, but there are quite a few oddities surrounding it. Could be coincidence, but it's a case by case basis and requires context, and a skeptical mind set not a dismissive one.

Even then something be a theory within a conspiracy (conspiracy theory) does not make it wrong, or inaccurate. Never forget the government listening in on phone calls observing e-mails was one considered a "conspiracy theory" as well despite circumstantial evidence for years before Snowden.

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The shooter himself:

A lot of people merely say he was stupid or a nut job, the real truth is he was quite intelligent. He understands optics and not just simple optics he knew exactly how the media and more would react. The only question is how much of his manifesto are true to his claims (outside the obvious absurdities like Spyro 3/etc. statements)

To be fair, I've been expecting such a thing to happen for months now. This event did not surprise me, but the whole problem has become a cultural war, and even a "flight or fight reaction" and I fear this won't be the end and it's not just copy cats, but full blown groups that will start acting, personally with actions like this occurring I've predicted civil war being within 20 years max. At this rate we might have it in far less time as thing's continue pushing this pressure cooker on society closer and closer to the brink.

Part of me thinks this is a part of even normal people being pushed to the brink of what's happening in their countries because as far as I can see the guy seemed generally normal outside of you know shooting people to death. Sure many shooters often give off a false facade, but this case I can't quite put my finger on seems a little different to other similar cases.

Though many will point out maybe it's all a joke and maybe this guy was just trolling and fishing (or baiting) people all together, basically a burn the house down around him with everyone inside mentality. (The house being society) However, that doesn't explain why he'd go to such lengths or such meticulous planning. Sure, he made mistakes, but some of his moves were calculated and not something an inexperienced person would consider such as when he went back in to check for those faking death.

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if more events like these play out in the next few weeks or months if not days, which is the disturbing part. I think we are starting to see a major pushback by people who have been pushed to the brink, and as some have already said it may snowball from there.

I do want to mention though, people keep making a large deal of this event but barely make a fuss about the multiple Muslim attacks, rapes, and more in the last few years, and honestly I can't help but feel this anti-White sentiment is validated by the same concept. Is it not weird to people when governments were abusing White farmers such as in SA (and still are to the point of a proverbial genocide or threatening them with one in the potential future) no one makes any fuss? Yet this shooting then people lose their minds? Hate to make memes over events like this but the Dark Night Joker meme fits this concept perfectly. (In the U.S. Smollet case, the Sandman case, etc. Attacking white people)

I really do think this may be less of just a "edge lord." thing, a psychopath thing, or even a simple "nutjob thing" it might finally be the push of western citizens might be leading to a releasing of steam so to speak . People in the west have been subject to many abuses by foreign immigrants for years (legal and illegal) and with no help from the law/legal system that often turns its heads, or pleads down the perpetrators and even the cops turning their heads to the issue, we might be seeing a start down a vigilante path in society, we're already seeing mistrust in government, and news organizations (though for good reason in many instances) and these groups do not compromise well like the old saying goes... "Those who make compromise impossible make violent revolution inevitable."

It may sound silly or "grandiose" but realistically I think people have been holding in this anger for too long, against these acts happening in society and this may be part of the straw that had broken the camel's back or even the social contract between different groups. (Religiously/Racially/etc.) It's hard to tell, but I won't lie this hits close to home, because many people in my own state are and have been pushed to the edge as well. I often see "pacifist" I've known for years who also have concluded at this point violence is all that's left. Not that they are violent but I think many are waiting for the start of the end, and that's what disturbs me most about all of this. Too much of a perfect storm for how it was planned, the consequences of these actions, and what it will lead to from here.

Sorry for the long post but just my 2c.

 

[2nd_time_user]

To everyone saying "information isn't a crime", let me play Devil's advocate - is possession of CP a crime? If so, why, if it's simply information documenting the sexual abuse of children?

How is watching a video of people getting massacred from a first person perspective and getting your jollies from seeing it, as I'm sure some people who watch it do, different from a person looking at CP and getting their jollies from it? Yes, the mosque shooting happened, and this is video documentation of exactly how it went down. Yes, the child porn did get made, and the pictures are documentation of that event.

This is how it looks to people on the outside. It's such blatantly distasteful material that your argument that "it's just information man!!! hack the planet!!!" doesn't hold up.

This is a historic event

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NZ Network Removes Sky News Australia Over Terrorist Footage - Bloomb…

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That is very frightening that a country has censored a major network from broadcasting. Frightening not only b/c of the precedent this sets not only for NZ but the political West.

A common American view is that Commonwealth countries have more "civility" and as these countries come down on free speech, that's more than ample justification for social media moguls in the Bay Area to do so.

ETA: On the channel, Null's now warning people to scrub their emails from being associated to here if they're NZ so they won't go to literal prison. This is Orwellian.

 

[wrangled tard]

Just gonna leave this here. I'd recommend others archive this too since it's being shoahed everywhere. It certainly makes me question how what he did is any different to what the US government does in different countries. I can't decide if he knew about this and if he did, if it was why he chose that mosque in particular.

 

[SmoopeddyDoo]

At least one reporter out there seems to be a bit more smarter than others.

The Shooter’s Manifesto Was Designed to Troll

The violent rhetoric was written for an audience.

www.theatlantic.com

excerpt:-

Significant portions of the manifesto appear to be an elaborate troll, written to prey on the mainstream media’s worst tendencies. As the journalist Robert Evans noted, “This manifesto is a trap … laid for journalists searching for the meaning behind this horrific crime. There is truth in there, and valuable clues to the shooter’s radicalization, but it is buried beneath a great deal of, for lack of a better word, ‘shitposting.’”

 

[Varg Did Nothing Wrong]

At least one reporter out there seems to be a bit more smarter than others.

The Shooter’s Manifesto Was Designed to Troll

The violent rhetoric was written for an audience.

www.theatlantic.com

excerpt:-

Significant portions of the manifesto appear to be an elaborate troll, written to prey on the mainstream media’s worst tendencies. As the journalist Robert Evans noted, “This manifesto is a trap … laid for journalists searching for the meaning behind this horrific crime. There is truth in there, and valuable clues to the shooter’s radicalization, but it is buried beneath a great deal of, for lack of a better word, ‘shitposting.’”

In a similar vein: New Zealand Shooter & Christchurch Mosques: Mass Murderer Is an Online Troll | National Review

Luckily, these signals aren’t impenetrable. Some of what the shooter wrote in his manifesto was “shposting,” low-quality online trolling designed to shock those who aren’t sufficiently desensitized or in the know. The gleeful cruelty of the alt-right’s shposting in 2016, for instance, fooled mainstream journalists who couldn’t imagine people being glib about death threats or ethnostate advocacy. Their defensive and outraged reactions to something ostensibly ironic fueled the thing they were trying to stamp out. Shposting is ironic, vacuous. But it can also conceal something darker, as the apparent shooter’s 8chan post reveals: “Well lads, it’s time to stop shposting and time to make a real life effort post.”

 

[419]

Just gonna leave this here. I'd recommend others archive this too since it's being shoahed everywhere. It certainly makes me question how what he did is any different to what the US government does in different countries. I can't decide if he knew about this and if he did, if it was why he chose that mosque in particular.

it's been on archive.today since 2014 as well. think wayback either removed it or is actively closing connections to it on their site, from what i can tell constantly trying to access it.

 

[NotoriousD]

Alright, I freely admit I got to page 85 and then skipped ahead here. I've been keeping up with the latest few pages at the same time, however. Some quotes:

Now that the faggotry has abated, I'll thrown in my take.

I think we've witnessed the first mass shooting based on complete and utter nihilism. You can call him evil, because that's what the goal was. You can't call him crazy, because he knew exactly what he was doing. I say this was a shooting of nihilism because there is no one real ideology here he's rooting for. He absolutely knew what he was about to do would call for more censorship, silence more speech and hurt the side the media thinks he's on far more than it ever would do anything. He gave the media exactly what it was craving, more meat for the meat grinder. He knew they'd push hard against the other side. He expected and predicted this outcome.

He's for nothing but more conflict, more death, more suppression for the sake of his own entertainment. You're looking at a pure sociopath at work. He had no other goals other than to hammer a wedge deeper between people, increase tribalism and radicalize both sides further to a breaking point. For him, this was taking too long so he expedited the process. He didn't off himself precisely because he wants to see the outcome of his work. He wants to see blood in the streets, he wants to read the papers. He wants the trial to be a pure shit show.

And that's exactly what he is going to get. He's going to use that trial to make this situation even worse. He's going to do anything he can to inflame conflict even more. This guy wasn't 'radicalized'. He was a born sociopath who got bored and felt he could basically push the world closer to the brink and knew exactly how to do it. Like I said, his choice of victims, his own race, his manifesto, everything was crafted to make this situation even worse. The fact he fucking succeeded is shocking to me (granted, the police taking 10 minutes to respond to a mass shooting didn't fucking help) but I guess this shit was inevitable. Some sociopath could see how to make things worse and do it. I guess it didn't happen in the states because you're more likely to get shot the fuck up by LEOs or armed citizens before you got this far. And even if you did survive, you'd be thrown in a deep, dark hole for the rest of your life so you couldn't see the results of your 'work'.

I don't believe for a second the shit he espouses regarding Muslims. They were on his hit-list for the reaction only. He doesn't care about any of this white nationalist shit, its all a fucking show. He wants to burn everything down and dance in the fucking ashes.

In terms of his motivation, its one of the more monstrous things I've witnessed. I can understand jihadists, ethnic killings and even genocidal purges. Humans are xenophobic by nature, in the past we didn't move more than 20 miles from our homes in our lifetimes, if that. Anyone from the outside was a potential threat, so we naturally form tribes. He's a member of no tribe, cares about nothing.

His motives are more akin to a serial killer than anything else. Murder for his own pleasure, and the pleasure of doing harm to other people. Like I said, a pure sociopath. Everything else is just window dressing, bait for pushing both sides to the breaking point. The problem is, we've all been tribalized. And the instinct to defend your tribe is strong. So that's going to get lost in this whole mess.

The fact is that he's a serial killer at heart. Murder for its own sake and to hurt as many people as possible. He gains pleasure for every bit of dissent he sows. The worst thing is, he's already won. He pretty much won before he started. He knew the climate insanely well and played it like a fiddle. You think we couldn't have logical debate before? Try now. He made himself the media's worst 'fears' and their biggest profit maker. This will be exploited for profit, milked and used as a political bludgeon. His intent was to weaponize this act for his own amusement and he did it. If he even had a modicum of care, he knew this wouldn't help anything or anyone. He fucking knew it. That's why I say he's more like a serial killer than anything else. The only thing we can do is spite him. Hold his trial in secret. Throw him in solitary for the rest of his life. Let him see none of the things that have come out of this. Let him go so mental he bashes his own skull in on the walls of his cell so he has something to do. But we all know this won't happen.

There's no real ideology behind this. That's the stage play, the big lie. This is serial mass murder for an individual's pleasure and to cause as much harm to other people as possible. He set his stage, now he gets to watch his show. And we're all the fucking puppets of this psychopath.

Rated Thunkful because you've given me a lot to think about on this. I don't fully believe your theory just yet, but I'd say it's one of the most likely possibilities.

NZ Threatens 10 Years In Prison For 'Possessing' Mosque Shooting Video; Web Hosts Warned, 'Dissenter' Banned

Hosting platforms can be fined up to $200,000

www.zerohedge.com

New Zealand authorities have reminded citizens that they face up to 10 years in prison for "knowingly" possessing a copy of the New Zealand mosque shooting video - and up to 14 years in prison for sharing it. Corporations (such as web hosts) face an additional $200,000 ($137,000 US) fine under the same law.

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Terrorist Brenton Tarrant used Facebook Live to broadcast the first 17 minutes of his attack on the Al Noor Mosque in Christchurch, New Zealand at approximately 1:40 p.m. on Friday - the first of two mosque attacks which left 50 dead and 50 injured.

Copies of Tarrant's livestream, along with his lengthy manifesto, began to rapidly circulate on various file hosting sites following the attack, which as we noted Friday - were quickly scrubbed from mainstream platforms such as Facebook, YouTube, Twitter and Scribd. YouTube has gone so far as to intentionally disable search filters so that people cannot find Christchurch shooting materials - including footage of suspected multiple shooters as well as the arrest of Tarrant and other suspects.

On Saturday, journalist Nick Monroe reported that New Zealand police have warned citizens that they face imprisonment for distributing the video, while popular New Zealand Facebook group Wellington Live notes that "NZ police would like to remind the public that it is an offence to share an objectional publication which includes the horrific video from yesterday's attack. If you see this video, report it immediately. Do not download it. Do not share it. If you are found to have a copy of the video or to have shared it, you face fines & potential imprisonment."

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?New Zealanders threatened with 10 YEARS IN JAIL if they have the shooting video. ?

"Anybody found “knowingly” in possession of objectionable material can receive a maximum of 10 years imprisonment."

14 YEARS IN JAIL if you are a "dealer" of the video http://archive.li/xT4Mz#selection-1417.92-1417.114 …


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Along with the censorship of online materials and investigation of content sharing platforms such as BitChute and 8chan - where the shooter posted a link to the livestream of his attack, social discussion service Dissenter has been blocked in New Zealand. Created by the people behind Twitter competitor Gab.ai - Dissenter is a browser extension which pops up a third-party comments section for any website where people can discuss content outside of the control of the website owner.



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Milo banned

Meanwhile, far-right commentator Milo Yiannopoulos was banned from Australia in the wake of the New Zealand shootings after he said on Facebook that attacks like Christchurch happen because "the establishment panders to and mollycoddles extremist leftism and barbaric, alien religious cultures."

Australia's immigration minister, David Coleman, said in a Saturday statement that Yiannopoulos's comments were "appalling and forment hatred and division," adding "Milo Yiannopoulos will not be allowed to enter Australia for his proposed tour this year."

UK man arrested

While the Christchurch attacks were utterly reprehensible, supporting them is now punishable in the United Kingdom. On Saturday afternoon, a 24-year-old man from Oldham was arrested on suspicion of sending malicious communications in support of the mosque attacks. It is unclear what he is alleged to have written.

The Greater Manchester Police said in a statement that they "became aware of a post on social media making reference and support for the terrible events in New Zealand," adding "Police have made urgent enquiries and a man aged 24 from the Oldham area is now under arrest on suspicion of sending malicious communications."

"It is clear that people are worried and we really understand that... It is truly terrible what happened yesterday. It is hard to put into any form of words," said Assistant Chief Constable Russ Jackson, who added "We have nothing to suggest any threat locally, but none of this can diminish how people feel and that is why we want to be there to offer more support at this difficult time."

I've already added the original stream to a collection of related data that will be properly organized and securely stored. 10-14 years is ludicrous for this. The worst part is, and I don't know NZ's laws very well, but I feel this is highly overreaching the boundary of their power. Unfortunately, I know too little to do anything but ask(possibly obvious)questions. Is this a new law? Is this even a law, in fact, or just a declaration that New Zealand's government is willing to enforce? Is it something they came up with on the spot, or is it something that's existed in some form unrelated to this incident for some time now?

Either way, it's at best blanket censorship achieved by threatening its own citizens with legal repercussions and at worst literally creating new legal grounds on the spot just to achieve said blanket censorship.

Imagine living in an authoritarian society where the mere distribution of a video is a crime of the highest degree.

Download the video. Information isn't a crime. Do not let them stop the signal.

This statement is 100% correct in my opinion. Information should not be censored like this.

To everyone saying "information isn't a crime", let me play Devil's advocate - is possession of CP a crime? If so, why, if it's simply information documenting the sexual abuse of children?

How is watching a video of people getting massacred from a first person perspective and getting your jollies from seeing it, as I'm sure some people who watch it do, different from a person looking at CP and getting their jollies from it? Yes, the mosque shooting happened, and this is video documentation of exactly how it went down. Yes, the child porn did get made, and the pictures are documentation of that event.

This is how it looks to people on the outside. It's such blatantly distasteful material that your argument that "it's just information man!!! hack the planet!!!" doesn't hold up.

Sadly, your own argument falls flat because you're taking it to an extreme. I can't speak for others, but my thoughts are such:

I don't want this spread wide and far, everywhere, that's another extreme itself. I simply want those who do want to be able to access this information to be able to access it. Unfortunately, information cannot be controlled in such a way that only those you want it to reach receive it. People who are interested in seeing what went down firsthand are going to find it just as easily or with just as much difficulty as those who wish to watch it to satisfy a crude pleasure. That can't be helped. It's something we must concede to.

But comparing this to seeking out actual child porn to obtain "documentation of that event" is quite a skewed comparison.