Brenton Tarrant posts on 8chan, shoots up Mosque killing 49 muslims in New Zealand, livestreams from GoPro

[muh_moobs]

Judging from the manifesto it'll probably be very cringy (I'm not even sure they'll have a public trial but don't know how NZ law works), he's not dumb but he's nowhere near cleverly-trolling-the-court intelligence levels.

Neither was Bundy but he pulled it off. AND went on to become a super-soldier hero of CWCville. So there. Hmph.

 

[Hellsent]

In his manifesto he actually expected that the gun laws will get much stricter in NZ after what he did.
They are all playing into his hand.

 

[Slimy Time]

Judging from the manifesto it'll probably be very cringy (I'm not even sure they'll have a public trial but don't know how NZ law works), he's not dumb but he's nowhere near cleverly-trolling-the-court intelligence levels.

Given how close NZ is to the UK, and how asshurt they are about the video spreading, even going so far as to arrest and charge people with 10-14 years, they will probably put out a media banning order, like the UK does with its grooming gang cases. We won't get to see the trial, only what they tell us after the trial takes place.

 

[muh_moobs]

The old quote of "when the police are minutes away, you only have seconds to live" comes to mind. UK armed police had it down to 5 minutes with the London Bridge stabbings. Killed the terrorists 3 minutes later. Compare that to this, 36 minutes to get the guy, if he decided to do more drive byes, like he did with the shotgun, how many more would have been killed?

Now they are acting like a bunch of cunts because they were too little too late, charging people for sharing videos and trying to get info from websites out of their jurisdiction. Politicians are going to be using this to crank down on gun laws and justify increased spying on the population, who will happily agree "for the greater good".

Fuck off Tau Empire!

 

[repentance]

Given how close NZ is to the UK, and how asshurt they are about the video spreading, even going so far as to arrest and charge people with 10-14 years, they will probably put out a media banning order, like the UK does with its grooming gang cases. We won't get to see the trial, only what they tell us after the trial takes place.

I just checked and NZ still has a sub judice rule which limits what can be discussed by the media during the legal process. In real terms, it means that they can report what happened in court each day but it has to be a factual recounting of the proceedings.

Where you potentially get into gag orders is if there's more that one trial involved - ie, if an accused is facing more than one trial or if several accused are being tried separately.

The real wild card here is counter-terrorism laws. It's possible they could be invoked to suppress publication of certain evidence - or even to exclude the media from being present while that evidence is given to the court - indefinitely. It would be a hard sell, but almost every Western country has the legal framework to do this.

 

[Hellsent]

I don't know if anyone mention this, since I can't be bothered to read 140+ pages to see if someone did.
I believe Brenton Tarrant was influenced by some sort of Serbian/Slavic culture and was involved in some sort Slavic sect or a cult from the Balkans I am basing this on the sign that is over his picture collage at the end of the manifesto he posted in the middle of the collage is the symbol of a white nationalist group called "Black Sun" or "Crni Ilija" in Serbian which is allegedly a Serbian terrorist group https://www.trackingterrorism.org/group/black-sun-serbia, I have heard rumors that "Black Sun" is also a cult/sect in the Balkans (mainly Serbia) but I can't give my word on this for sure, it has also been confirmed in Bosnia that he has before entered the country, which proves he was definitely in the Balkans for one reason or other.
Hope this is somewhat useful, just my opinion.
EDIT: Forgot to mention also the song he played in his car which is "pro-chetnik" "Chetnik or Cetnik" is associated with the people that did atrocious war-crimes such as rape and murder of innocent men/women/children in Bosnia and Croatia during the 1990s in Bosnia. Chetniks are mainly Serbians. They did the genocide in Srebrenica where over 8000+ innocent men women and children were killed by Chetnik a.k.a Serbian forces and those innocent people were mainly muslim, they wanted to ethnically cleanse Bosnia and Croatia and create "Greater Serbia" but they did not succeed.

 

[Super-Chevy454]

The guys of ZeroHedge posted a far-fetched theory who link the Christchurch attacks with a North Korean embassy break-in https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019...korean-embassy-break-and-christchurch-attacks ( http://archive.is/eblHi )

Via Disobedient Media

As the world reels from the tragic terrorist attack against two mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand, much attention has been given to sensational information about the single named suspect, Brenton Tarrant. However, the hyperfocus on Tarrant distracts from the fact that the Australian national was arrested along with other suspects.

An investigation and analysis by Disobedient Media indicates that Tarrant and the group he worked with likely have professional military connections, are part of the same cell that perpetrated a February 22nd break in of the North Korean embassy in Spain and potentially have intelligence ties to various agencies that cooperate under the UKUSA Agreement popularly known as Five Eyes (FVEY).

I. Signs Of Professional Military Connections

Despite the characterization of Tarrant in the media, he was no run-of-the-mill white supremacist. Images posted by Tarrant online just before the attack to a Twitter account which had been dormant until March 12 showed that he was in possession of high-capacity magazines and a semi-automatic assault rifle. The weapon and magazines would have been classified as either a "restricted weapon" or a "military-style-semi-automatic" (MSSA) under New Zealand law. A person who possesses or uses a firearm in New Zealand needs to hold a firearms license issued by police. Licenses normally last for ten years unless revoked. Foreign nationals may apply from overseas for a one year license based on their possession of an existing license in their home country.

Suspicions are inevitably raised over how exactly Tarrant and his alleged co-conspirators managed to stockpile the military-grade weapons and ammunition used in the attack in a country with comparatively strict gun laws. Tarrant, who supposedly began to radicalize starting in 2016 and was allegedly unemployed would have had his radical tendencies discovered with a proper background investigation. Police say that another suspect in the shooting was an individual who acquired the necessary Category A license and began to legally stockpile weapons used in the attack.

Additional reports have also established that Tarrant trained at the Bruce Rifle Club in Dunedin. Although the club's website and YouTube channel have been scrubbed from the internet, an archive shows that it explicitly catered to users and collectors of military rifles.

The Australian also engaged in extensive travel abroad to a number of areas that should have raised red flags with intelligence services. Countries visited by Tarrant included Pakistan, North Korea, Turkey, parts of Africa, Portugal, Spain, France, Afghanistan and Xinjiang, China. The extensive travel and access to military grade firearms should have made detection by law enforcement and intelligence services nearly impossible to avoid.

II. Similarities Between Spain And New Zealand Operations

There are a number of analogous facts shared by the attack on the North Korean embassy in Spain and the terror event in Christchurch which suggest that the same team was involved in both incidents. In both cases the perpetrators showed that they were well versed in "breach and clear" tactics against buildings filled with people. In both cases the buildings were cleared efficiently and quickly even though the goal of the North Korean incident was focused on intelligence gathering as opposed to mass murder. Aerial analysis of the North Korean embassy in Spain, the Al Noor Mosque and the Linwood Islamic Centre show that all buildings are of similar size and each would have required the same know-how and training to breach.

In securing a getaway from the North Korean embassy, the attacking team of approximately ten individuals utilized two luxury vehicles. In the Christchurch attack, the suspects used two vehicles for transport in which live explosive devices were found. The similar number of vehicles used in both incidents points to a common number of participants.

III. In Both Attacks, Perpetuators Are Likely Military Cells

The groups involved in both the Spain embassy break-in and the Christchurch terror attacks appear to be military or paramilitary in nature. The March 13, 2019 exposé of the embassy break-in by El País directly cited sources involved with the investigation who stated that the attackers were likely a "military cell" with at least two members who were tied to the CIA. Sources such as the New York Post and Washington Post have both run stories attempting to attribute the break-in to a shadowy group of North Korean dissidents. But this explanation is unconvincing since this group would not not have the practical military know-how or muscle required to breach and clear the embassy in such an efficient manner.

Analysis of documentation of the Christchurch terror attack also indicates that the perpetrators were part of a military style cell. Although much has been made of Brenton Tarrant's live-streamed attack, no other individuals were featured in the film. Video footage being distributed online shows two individuals carrying firearms during the attacks. Both are wearing baseball caps. This means that neither can be Tarrant, who was filming himself during the attack and wore a helmet with a mounted camera, not a hat.
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V. Conclusion: Tragedy Exploited By Special Interests

Whether or not one believes that the Christchurch terror attacks have more to them than meets the eye, it is undeniable that the tragedy is now being exploited by various parties for personal gain. New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has taken the opportunity to promote increased gun control with a total ban on semi-automatic weapons. Ardern formerly worked as a policy advisor to Tony Blair, who has himself been a willing collaborator with British intelligence services. Ardern has not yet commented on the fact that New Zealand security and emergency services caused the death toll to rise substantially higher than needed due to an incredibly slow response time.

In addition to the debate about gun control, pundits have begun to harass President Donald Trump, accusing him of having some kind of ideological connection to Brenton Tarrant due to the suspect's fascist loyalties. These efforts only serve to intensify efforts to derail the ongoing crisis involving the Korean peace process.

With the operational similarities between the the Spanish embassy and Christchurch attacks in mind one cannot help but observe that global attention has been ripped away from potential peace talks between the US and North Korea. The gross showmanship of the Tarrant in broadcasting murders for the world to see was an intentional attempt to capture attention and shift global discussion by committing a heinous act of terror. As the Christchurch attacks unfolded, North Korean Vice Foreign Minister Choe Son Hui made an announcement blaming US administration officials for a breakdown in denuclearization talks and threatened to break off negotiations to resume testing. These comments were immediately highlighted by Russian news agency TASS and the international press. Other comments clarifying that personal relations between Mr. Kim and Mr. Trump were still good and their chemistry "mysteriously wonderful” were almost totally ignored in coverage of the press conference.

The official facts of the Christchurch terror attacks will likely shift over time in the same way that official narratives fed to the public by federal investigators changed constantly in the aftermath of the 2017 Las Vegas shooting. But the apparent military and intelligence connections of perpetrators in the attack, the discrepancies between the official reports about the size of the group of suspects and footage of the event as it unfolded and the operational similarities to the North Korean embassy incident will continue to erode confidence that the public is being given all the facts.

3/17/2019: This article was updated with new details regarding emerging facts and clarification about police response times. Unfortunately, the New Zealand government has engaged in unprecedented censorship of the event and videos of the incident have all been taken offline.

 

[Shortsightedness]

This is how our PM should have responded to the attacked.
Fraser Anning on setting the record straight

 

[WinTrain]

You're wrong. I don't know how else to say it. You know Timothy McVeigh? He intentionally waved his appeals to fast track his execution. Real sociopaths or ideologues don't give a shit.

Violent repression does not work like you are implying it does.

Nah, you're wrong. I'm more right than wrong. You gave Timothy Mcveigh, and sure there is a few others, BUT THERE IS WAY MORE... WAY MORE, DID I SAY WAY MORE? WAY MORE! Killers fighting against the death penalty, making deals even to avoid it. WAY MORE.

Actually it seems like every time someone kills someone they fight against the death penalty these days... It seems like that.

It's 100 to 1 in your special case every time. I think Ted Bundy was famous for trying to avoid the death penalty. Look at places like China where you get your hands chopped off for stealing or something like that. That crime is much lower there, than here in the US.... I wonder why? Because we don't get our hands or fingers chopped off.

 

[millais]

I don't know if anyone mention this, since I can't be bothered to read 140+ pages to see if someone did.
I believe Brenton Tarrant was influenced by some sort of Serbian/Slavic culture and was involved in some sort Slavic sect or a cult from the Balkans I am basing this on the sign that is over his picture collage at the end of the manifesto he posted in the middle of the collage is the symbol of a white nationalist group called "Black Sun" or "Crni Ilija" in Serbian which is allegedly a Serbian terrorist group https://www.trackingterrorism.org/group/black-sun-serbia, I have heard rumors that "Black Sun" is also a cult/sect in the Balkans (mainly Serbia) but I can't give my word on this for sure, it has also been confirmed in Bosnia that he has before entered the country, which proves he was definitely in the Balkans for one reason or other.
Hope this is somewhat useful, just my opinion.

The Black Sun or "Schwarze Sonne" is the most basic bitch Nazi paganist/occultist symbol, and its ubiquity is hardly an indication of affiliation with that particular Serbian group. There are Neo-Nazi groups from America to Ukraine that have adopted the Black Sun as their emblem.

 

[repentance]

The guys of ZeroHedge posted a far-fetched theory who link the Christchurch attacks with a North Korean embassy break-in https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019...korean-embassy-break-and-christchurch-attacks ( http://archive.li/eblHi )

Apparently they failed to notice something which even 4pol and 8pol noticed. The content on his social media accounts was only posted in the time leading up to the attacks. People are drawing exactly the inferences he wanted them to draw, but that doesn't make them valid. There's no reason to assume that the "connections" people are drawing are any more real than Spyro 3 influencing him.

 

[Xerxes IX]

Apparently they failed to notice something which even 4pol and 8pol noticed. The content on his social media accounts was only posted in the time leading up to the attacks. People are drawing exactly the inferences he wanted them to draw, but that doesn't make them valid. There's no reason to assume that the "connections" people are drawing are any more real than Spyro 3 influencing him.

Hell, one of the first observations from this thread noted all his facebook posts were made on March 12:

Here's some memes I took from his Facebook. What's interesting is they're all posted on March 12th.

Spoiler: Memes

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His twitter got shoah'd before I could see but from what I saw his tweets were made that day too.

 

[Hellsent]

The Black Sun or "Schwarze Sonne" is the most basic bitch Nazi paganist/occultist symbol, and its ubiquity is hardly an indication of affiliation with that particular Serbian group. There are Neo-Nazi groups from America to Ukraine that have adopted the Black Sun as their emblem.

Yeah I am also basing this on the fact that he was playing "pro-chetnik" song in his car whilst he was driving to the mosque, and chetniks are Serbians, and by association are also white-nationalists based on the war-crimes they did in Bosnia and Croatia where they killed 100s of thousands of Muslims and Croats.

 

[PorkChopJones]

What is

I can't imagine the reaction if he opened with "I'm only starting a conversation".

How about 'I come in peace'

 

[GrungyLawnChlorinate]

i am not onboard with the conspiracy stuff myself, but the NZ reaction has me thinking you know

Conspiracy stuff like that does happen with regularity. History is littered with plenty of verified conspiracy fuckery. It never hurts to take a critical eye. Not that it will matter much, as the media and internet corps - Ministry of Truth and Ministry of Love, respectively - have final cut privileges.

 

[millais]

Yeah I am also basing this on the fact that he was playing "pro-chetnik" song in his car whilst he was driving to the mosque, and chetniks are Serbians, and by association are also white-nationalists based on the war-crimes they did in Bosnia and Croatia where they killed 100s of thousands of Muslims and Croats.

You must be unfamiliar with the Anglophone internet meme culture that surrounds the Yugoslav Wars. Outside of a simplistic endorsement of ethnic cleansing of Bosniaks and the celebration of certain colorful characters like Arkan, Seselj, and Mladic, much of it is highly ironic in nature. This Australian guy was referencing the Yugoslav Wars in a mostly humorous and ironic fashion, not pledging allegiance or affiliation with any Serbian nationalist movement.

 

[Skelter Helter]

I believe Brenton Tarrant was influenced by some sort of Serbian/Slavic culture and was involved in some sort Slavic sect or a cult from the Balkans I am basing this on the sign that is over his picture collage at the end of the manifesto he posted in the middle of the collage is the symbol of a white nationalist group called "Black Sun" or "Crni Ilija" in Serbian which is allegedly a Serbian terrorist group...

The symbol has been in use among white supremacists for a couple of decades now, and it's a common sight on 4chan's /pol/ and presumably 8chan's /pol/ as well.

EDIT: Forgot to mention also the song he played in his car which is "pro-chetnik" "Chetnik or Cetnik" is associated with the people that did atrocious war-crimes such as rape and murder of innocent men/women/children in Bosnia and Croatia during the 1990s in Bosnia.

I haven't watched the video, but that sounds like the song associated with the "Remove Kebab" meme, which is one of the most well known on /pol/. The killer himself referenced the meme by naming his rifle "Kebab Remover".

This isn't esoteric stuff. It's entry-level /pol/ stuff.

 

[Hellsent]

You must be unfamiliar with the Anglophone internet meme culture that surrounds the Yugoslav Wars. Outside of a simplistic endorsement of ethnic cleansing of Bosniaks and the celebration of certain colorful characters like Arkan, Seselj, and Mladic, much of it is highly ironic in nature. This Australian guy was referencing the Yugoslav Wars in a mostly humorous and ironic fashion, not pledging allegiance or affiliation with any Serbian nationalist movement.

I know that this is a "meme" on the internet, I am saying this from a perspective of a Bosniak since I am one, and that song is very pro-chetnik if you look at the lyrics of it which clearly in the lyrics of the song its endorsing Serbs to "defend their country" from "Ustase" basically Croats and "Turks" as a reference to Muslims in Bosnia which are basically of Ottoman origin, looking at it as just a "meme" for me is unreasonable. If someone played that song in Bosnia you would get beaten up or killed probably, as it's endorsing "chetniks" that killed a lot of people, devastated everything and tried to take away the independence of a whole country.
I agree that he is definitely not pledging allegiance or affiliation directly with them, but for someone from Bosnia like me it sure as hell looks like it, though I may be wrong and he is just doing it for the meme.

 

[AbuAssad]

War's coming.... Sigh. I think this was the most stupid thing to do tbh. Action > Chain Reaction

 

[PorkChopJones]

EDIT: Forgot to mention also the song he played in his car which is "pro-chetnik" "Chetnik or Cetnik" is associated with the people that did atrocious war-crimes such as rape and murder of innocent men/women/children in Bosnia and Croatia during the 1990s in Bosnia. Chetniks are mainly Serbians. They did the genocide in Srebrenica where over 8000+ innocent men women and children were killed by Chetnik a.k.a Serbian forces and those innocent people were mainly muslim, they wanted to ethnically cleanse Bosnia and Croatia and create "Greater Serbia" but they did not succeed.

If you ask an Albanian Muslim they will tell you the Serbs raped and murdered innocents. If you ask a Serb they will tell you Albanian Muslims raped and murdered innocents. When's the last time a Serb hijacked a plane and blown it up? Or donned a suicide vest and blown up a bus? Or driven over people with a truck in France?

I believe Slobodan Milošević got a bum wrap!