2019-03-17 - New Zealand Police: "We would like to preserve any posts and technical data including IP addresses, email addresses etc"

[HG 400]

One of the victims attempted to tackle the shooter.

That happened, dude was a legit hero.

 

[JuliusCaesar]

The child is already a victim and so are the dead Muslims, that's independent of the view count. Whether possession of "material" creates more of the crime depends on the sicko in possession, not on the material. Before anyone starts drooling, I don't care for the CP possession laws and don't want to change them, but only because I'm not affected - same goes for possession of meth or heroin. From a die-hard free speech absolutist point of view it's still a thought crime (like software piracy) unless proven otherwise.

I meant that more views/downloads of a CP video leads to a higher demand leads to more videos being created/more victims. The same does not apply to the terrorist attack video. Plus, nothing can be gained from CP other than sick enjoyment from pedophiles; the video of the shooting provides important context to the situation that we wouldn't have known without it. The dead muslims are still victims, but we know what happened to them now and the authorities in all parts of the world can use the video to better be able to prevent future terrorism victims.

Whether or not either is a thoughtcrime is a bit of a moot point.

 

[2nd_time_user]

Allowing people to view CP increases the market and encourages people to create more CP for profit. Nobody is making terrorist attack videos for profit.

Well, ISIS did it for profit. And what was done incited over 40 countries that normally hate each other to squash it for humanity (and for profit). That's the socially redeeming value. It's part of history, also a socially redeeming value, and why Holocaust victims/Vietnam War footage/911 is shown to this day.

In this case, the footage has immediate value that could save more lives: Anyone who's seen it sees how they could have acted and how others could have acted to result in less carnage. That's why US law enforcement wants it, and that's why civilians should be able to view it.

 

[Dickens Cider]

Reading through this thread and a few others related to this topic on here, I see a lot of people getting their whine on about us being called "neo-Nazi" and "incel". Here's the thing, guys.

This site didn't get to be the pile of hilarious shit it is today by users caring what other people think. You look at our threads, and what do you see? Savage takedowns of mentally ill trannies. Furries being outted for the worst kinds of degeneracy. Insecure manlets being doxed and mocked because of their odd shaped dicks.

All of this is socially unacceptable behavior and for good reason. It is disruptive and hurtful to do these things.

Now that we have the spotlight, the media is shining down on us like we have on others. If we care about what the media has to say, the response would be "yea, but not all of us are X" or "there's no proof that we're Y". Defending the website from the scorn we heap on others because it isn't entirely accurate. Do we ever believe cows when they deny they are X and Y? Does it really matter as long as we get our entertainment value out of it?

At the end of the day, what the media has to say about us doesn't really matter.

If they wanna say were incels, then be a wizard. If they wanna say we're alt-right, get your MAGA hat. We don't need their approval to mock what we may feel is misunderstanding or mischaracterization.

This is a place to have fun on the internet, and if you're gonna let the media of some trash country like New Zealand troll you into defending yourself, then you should find someplace where you can have your fun.

I wanna be the illegitimate love child of Gandalf and Dumbledore! Fucking wizard yay!
TBH I don't gaf what they say bout us. I love this little site, and it has been a place where I have seen some of the best and worst of human discussions, on some of the worst and strangest people that put themselves out on the web. Even our resident asshats are smarter and more on point than the talking heads of shill mainstream news.

 

[Cheetahman]

I remember hearing it on a Rackets stream a while back, the feds keep archives of CP for the purpose of cataloguing to determine if a spread is of old victims or newly-created victims. Contrast to LEOs asking for the video in order to train to prevent new terrorist attacks, where having this information directly makes it possible to prevent new attacks.
It's also possible to argue that the intention behind CP is to be consumed by pedophiles for their sick enjoyment, the intention behind filming acts of terrorism is to inspire terror.

 

[downwardspiral]

Allowing people to view CP increases the market and encourages people to create more CP for profit. Nobody is making terrorist attack videos for profit.

yet

 

[MW 590]

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government.

The Declaration of Independence's statement that people having certain inalienable rights is a common truth agreed upon by Christendom and the international community(except for Communist and Muslim countries). It is just that different countries have a different interpretations of the specifics of these rights. For example, 49 out of 50 US states do not consider prostitution to be a liberty while other countries do.

The doorman greeted the shooter.
One of the victims attempted to tackle the shooter.
[insert list of defamatory statements directed at KiwiFarms here]

What are the defamatory statements?

 

[Anonymus Fluhre]

Reading through this thread and a few others related to this topic on here, I see a lot of people getting their whine on about us being called "neo-Nazi" and "incel". Here's the thing, guys.

This site didn't get to be the pile of hilarious shit it is today by users caring what other people think. You look at our threads, and what do you see? Savage takedowns of mentally ill trannies. Furries being outted for the worst kinds of degeneracy. Insecure manlets being doxed and mocked because of their odd shaped dicks.

All of this is socially unacceptable behavior and for good reason. It is disruptive and hurtful to do these things.

Now that we have the spotlight, the media is shining down on us like we have on others. If we care about what the media has to say, the response would be "yea, but not all of us are X" or "there's no proof that we're Y". Defending the website from the scorn we heap on others because it isn't entirely accurate. Do we ever believe cows when they deny they are X and Y? Does it really matter as long as we get our entertainment value out of it?

At the end of the day, what the media has to say about us doesn't really matter.

If they wanna say were incels, then be a wizard. If they wanna say we're alt-right, get your MAGA hat. We don't need their approval to mock what we may feel is misunderstanding or mischaracterization.

This is a place to have fun on the internet, and if you're gonna let the media of some trash country like New Zealand troll you into defending yourself, then you should find someplace where you can have your fun.

Personally, If I gave a iota of a fuck what people thought about me being here I wouldn't be here. It's one of the last few places where you can speak the truth and not get banned for it. Laughed at for sure, but not out right banned.

 

[Dickens Cider]

yet

Dammit I was about to do this exact same post. Anyway, I keep thinking about how utterly DUMB the media has become. I'm a history buff, have seen and read atrocities from the Crusades all the way to Mai Li and beyond, and my peers, my professors, NONE of us have watched any of that and said to ourselves, "Gee seems Neeto lets go restart the fuckin Inquisition eh?" and I don't know a single fucker that thinks that way. By the reasoning of the mainstream media and NZ LE every fucking HiPs major in every university is a goddamned terrorist in training.

PS- They make terrorists movies for profit already, cannot explain Tom Green any other way. I see him and get triggered to violence.

 

[2nd_time_user]

Daily Mail, which itself published but then took down the video, joins in:

http://archive.is/VDXA6

'You're a small, irrelevant island nation': The expletive-laden email an American website sent to New Zealand police after refusing to share Christchurch terrorist's emails

• Kiwi Farms founder Joshua Moon refused to cooperate with New Zealand police
• Emails show detectives asked the site for information on shooter's alleged posts
• Moon published his response onto his site calling the request a 'joke'
• He admitted he was responsible for posting Tarrant's video and manifesto online

The founder of an American far-right chat board has lashed out at New Zealand police after they requested information on posts linked to the Christchurch shooting.
An email exchange posted on Kiwi Farms on Monday, reveals New Zealand Detective Senior Sergeant John Michael had asked the site to preserve any relevant email and IP addresses to aid their investigation.
Accused gunman Brenton Tarrant, 28, is believed to have posted his 74-page manifesto and details of his alleged attack onto the site ran by American Joshua Moon.
He also foreshadowed the shootings on at least one other controversial forum popular among alt-right groups.

 

[Edward]

That happened, dude was a legit hero.

Various people interpret it as an attempt to run past. Hard to tell for certain since the video blurs out at that spot, but his body was angled away and he fell to the side.

Edit: meh. After watching that part a few dozen times in slow motion, he did grab on to Tarrant's arm instead of rounding the corner, so it probably was a takedown attempt.

What are the defamatory statements?

Tarrant was affiliated with this website. Posts directly connected to the shooting were made during the event. The website is popular with [list of stereotypes the left hates].
More or less every word of this article.

 

[Nasty]

Accused gunman Brenton Tarrant, 28, is believed to have posted his 74-page manifesto and details of his alleged attack onto the site ran by American Joshua Moon.

How are they coming up with this crap?

 

[GethN7]

How are they coming up with this crap?

This is intended to punish Null for not complying with a bullshit illegal request to hand over information to assholes on a blatant fishing expedition. Since Null refused to give the fascist pigs of New Zealand free reign so they could oppress their own citizens, they have instead mobilized the lugenpresse to shame and defame him and make him the evil one to deflect from their own evil.

And that's all they can really do, and I laugh at them for it.

 

[2nd_time_user]

How are they coming up with this crap?

The same way they're putting it in the headline that @Null refused to turn over the shooter's emails.

This is what people believe when they trust journos to deliver their info while calling not to look at the primary source of the info.

 

[Anonymus Fluhre]

This is intended to punish Null for not complying with a bullshit illegal request to hand over information to assholes on a blatant fishing expedition. Since Null refused to give the fascist pigs of New Zealand free reign so they could oppress their own citizens, they have instead mobilized the lugenpresse to shame and defame him and make him the evil one to deflect from their own evil.

And that's all they can really do, and I laugh at them for it.

If I had the extra money, I'd be more than happy to donate it to a legal fund for him. One good lawsuit could pay for the Farms for a life time.

The media never learns that they shouldn't lie about people in the press. I would suggest the instant any of these go up to archive them as they change hourly in some instances.

 

[Kosher Salt]

I meant that more views/downloads of a CP video leads to a higher demand leads to more videos being created/more victims. The same does not apply to the terrorist attack video.

I think in at least some cases, they're both doing it for notoriety. Not that they necessarily want to be caught, but they want to be admired and/or feared in the eyes of at least some of the viewers. That said, they're still totally different situations, and as for the remainder of your post that I didn't quote, I fully agree.

There is no valid reason for anyone, anywhere, to view or distribute child porn, except specific agents of law enforcement in the direct course of investigating those crimes and finding and prosecuting the abusers - and that, only because it is absolutely necessary to achieve justice.

Terrorist attacks, on the other hand, are newsworthy to the public, and there are potentially valuable insights to be gained about the identities, ideologies, and tactics of both the attacker(s) and the victim(s). Except in the rare cases where specific items of national security must be kept secret, the public has a right to have the full, uncensored facts.

That brings me to another critical difference: these media sources have watched the very video that they don't want us to watch. When terrorist attacks happen, the press believe that they should also have access to the raw, uncensored evidence, so they can tell us who dunnit and what to believe. I don't trust the press to do that. If they need access to raw, uncensored evidence, then so do we, because we are the press. "The press" is literally anyone with a message and a soapbox, and the large news outlets should not be allowed to gatekeep it by restricting our access to the evidence.

I'm quite alright with handing over child sex abuse cases to the FBI to investigate. They can tell us who dunnit and what to believe. They can present the case in court in a way that achieves justice for those victims, and there is absolutely no reason that anyone outside of that process should see that type of horrific evidence. I'm not alright with letting the press have access to non-public evidence, in terrorism cases or any other kind.

How are they coming up with this crap?

Spoiler

 

[Troonos]

@Null is a heretic. Trump supporters are supposed to respect the law, and he is now encouraging New Zealanders to break New Zealand’s laws. If we don’t respect the law, then we don’t have the moral high ground when condemning illegal immigrants for coming to the US illegally or Hillary Clinton for her email scandal.

New Zealand’s government is legitimate because they gained independence from the illegitimate British Empire and are internationally recognized by legitimate governments such as the US.

What in fuck's name are you talking about? Trump supporters are allegedly supposed to be anti-authoritarian (how that pans out in reality might be questionable). Pandering to a nanny state's demands that KF dox New Zealand citizens so that they can be imprisoned for watching a video or posting on a forum is exactly the kind of censorship and bullying that people were trying to move away from by voting for Trump. That was the most autistic post I've ever read.

 

[JuliusCaesar]

Kosher Salt said what I was trying to say, but better. (Not a sentence I thought I'd say, but user handles are always like that and I'm sure no one would think they'd ever say "I agree with juliuscaesar!" either.)

Anyway, fuck the media and fuck the shithole countries trying to restrict access to information and free speech on the web. If laws are unjust then you're in your right to break them. Sure, a lot exist for a reason and breaking laws willy-nilly isn't good either, but that's not what we're talking about. Good on Null for keeping his users' identities safe.

 

[Qualin Frank]

I'm not alright with letting the press have access to non-public evidence, in terrorism cases or any other kind.

Given the current state of, ahem, journalism, having them be the sole gatekeepers of anything seems like a terrible fucking idea regardless of the subject matter.

 

[AnOminous]

Allowing people to view CP increases the market and encourages people to create more CP for profit. Nobody is making terrorist attack videos for profit.

Well, why not? Are they stupid or something?