2019-03-17 - New Zealand Police: "We would like to preserve any posts and technical data including IP addresses, email addresses etc"

Mar 19, 2019

2nd_time_user said:
Bellin?cat makes a decent attempt, at least in the beginning, to explain chan-speak to the masses

The shitbags at (((Bellingcat))) have caused the death of more Muslims with their support of ISIS against the Syrian government than Tarrant could ever have hoped to have killed.

2nd_time_user · Mar 19, 2019

NZ prosecutor explains how Tarrant's trial and sentencing will likely go and why:

Clearing up some confusion regarding charges for the Christchurch sho…

archived 19 Mar 2019 23:04:14 UTC

archive.is

tl;dr: He argues why NZ will put Tarrant in prison for the rest of his life (they have a life without provision, they just haven't used it yet). He goes into Tarrant's probable defenses, such as perceived self-defense, then breaks down legally how the argument will fail. He explains jury selection (literally, it's just 12 randos, no voir dire) and how the court likely will handle Tarrant's need for self-publicity (a trial only open to approved press).

AnOminous · Mar 19, 2019

Marvin said:
Like the dude's manifesto is a great example of something you need to read firsthand to reliably interpret, considering all the irony and neckbeard references in it. If you only listen to the journalist take, it's just a run-of-the-mill racist spiel.

Journalists are literally too stupid to understand it and too dishonest to be trusted even to describe what they misunderstood accurately.

Mcniggered · Mar 19, 2019

AnOminous said:
Journalists are literally too stupid to understand it and too dishonest to be trusted even to describe what they misunderstood accurately.

It's worse because all these fucking idiots are not only eating the bait that the manifesto is but they're using this massacre to further their own stupid fucking political agendas. It's fucking disgusting in all seriousness.

Mar 19, 2019

2nd_time_user said:
it's just 12 randos, no voir dire) and how the court likely will handle Tarrant's need for self-publicity (a trial only open to approved press)

I don't trust any lawyers, especially not prosecutors, especially not alleged prosecutors on Reddit, but I don't think either of those statements are necessarily found in the archived link anyway.

I didn't see any commentary on challenges to jurors in the archived link, and I know that lawyers are able to challenge the admission of jurors in cases of this nature. Not with the same degree of freedom as might be the case in the US, but the opportunity is there to exclude biased jurors (though many will lie, because Christchurch despite being in the South Island has been filled up with shitty North Islanders and foreigners). I would be shocked if Tarrant, in representing himself, is deprived of that right.

Likewise, the court may not be 100% open, but citizen journalists will be able to attend and tell the truth as they would anywhere.

Nasty · Mar 19, 2019

Mcniggered said:
they're using this massacre to further their own stupid fucking political agendas.

They do this every time, and more restrictions and laws will be put into place.

Just like France and the UK, these Kiwi Cunts won’t see the danger in their own countries until it’s knocking on their door and throwing acid in their faces.

Every one of these Blessings of Peace has been turned into a call for more Muslims to enter these countries. Then they ban all forms of self defence or ownership of weapons, and expect criminals to follow them.

It’s like letting wolves into the sheep pen, for tolerance. You know what the most astonishing thing is? The people in the UK will claim that gun and knife bans are a success and that they “don’t have that problem here”... while they’re getting acid thrown at them in the streets and being stabbed! They consider that a success!

2nd_time_user · Mar 19, 2019

3119967d0c said:
I don't trust any lawyers, especially not prosecutors, especially not alleged prosecutors on Reddit, but I don't think either of those statements are necessarily found in the archived link anyway.

I didn't see any commentary on challenges to jurors in the archived link, and I know that lawyers are able to challenge the admission of jurors in cases of this nature. Not with the same degree of freedom as might be the case in the US, but the opportunity is there to exclude biased jurors (though many will lie, because Christchurch despite being in the South Island has been filled up with shitty North Islanders and foreigners). I would be shocked if Tarrant, in representing himself, is deprived of that right.

Likewise, the court may not be 100% open, but citizen journalists will be able to attend and tell the truth as they would anywhere.

It's in the admittedly very long archive, discussed here: https://www.reddit.com/r/newzealand...some_confusion_regarding_charges_for/eiudrll/

"We don't try to find unbiased jurors. We don't ask them any questions and we don't know anything about them before the trial. You just get 12 randoms, basically. And then we tell them to ignore everything they have heard previously. It actually seems to work pretty well."

TaterBot · Mar 19, 2019

2nd_time_user said:
People could get 14 years for watching a news event unfold...it's just as fucked for a first-world largely white Commonwealth country to do it, too.

Commonwealth? More like Communist. Or even Nazis.

Mar 19, 2019

2nd_time_user said:
It's in the admittedly very long archive, discussed here: https://www.reddit.com/r/newzealand...some_confusion_regarding_charges_for/eiudrll/

"We don't try to find unbiased jurors. We don't ask them any questions and we don't know anything about them before the trial. You just get 12 randoms, basically. And then we tell them to ignore everything they have heard previously. It actually seems to work pretty well."

Ta.

All I can say is that if he's claiming that they aren't asked any questions about their knowledge of the case, and their general attitude, he's lying.

W00K #17 · Mar 19, 2019

2nd_time_user said:
Daily Mail, which itself published but then took down the video, joins in:

http://archive.li/VDXA6

'You're a small, irrelevant island nation': The expletive-laden email an American website sent to New Zealand police after refusing to share Christchurch terrorist's emails

Kiwi Farms founder Joshua Moon refused to cooperate with New Zealand police

Emails show detectives asked the site for information on shooter's alleged posts

Moon published his response onto his site calling the request a 'joke'

He admitted he was responsible for posting Tarrant's video and manifesto online

The founder of an American far-right chat board has lashed out at New Zealand police after they requested information on posts linked to the Christchurch shooting.
An email exchange posted on Kiwi Farms on Monday, reveals New Zealand Detective Senior Sergeant John Michael had asked the site to preserve any relevant email and IP addresses to aid their investigation.
Accused gunman Brenton Tarrant, 28, is believed to have posted his 74-page manifesto and details of his alleged attack onto the site ran by American Joshua Moon.
He also foreshadowed the shootings on at least one other controversial forum popular among alt-right groups.

What fucking "emails"?? What "posts"?

If Tarrant had been a poster here, we would denounce, vilify, and mock him endlessly. And I'm sure Null would hand over everything he had on the evil fuck.

I just can't even... how are they able to lie like this? Why do they get away with it? Is this kind of libel lawsuit worthy? Because maybe it's time to file one. I would donate to that fund in a heartbeat.

I don't really care if they call us incels, nazis, whatever the fuck. That's like, their opinion.. man. But saying that Tarrant was a kiwi farmer is a bold faced lie and THATS the one that offends me.

BoxofMonkeys · Mar 19, 2019

Nasty said:
They do this every time, and more restrictions and laws will be put into place.

Just like France and the UK, these Kiwi Cunts won’t see the danger in their own countries until it’s knocking on their door and throwing acid in their faces.

Every one of these Blessings of Peace has been turned into a call for more Muslims to enter these countries. Then they ban all forms of self defence or ownership of weapons, and expect criminals to follow them.

It’s like letting wolves into the sheep pen, for tolerance. You know what the most astonishing thing is? The people in the UK will claim that gun and knife bans are a success and that they “don’t have that problem here”... while they’re getting acid thrown at them in the streets and being stabbed! They consider that a success!

Wasn't the UK the place where they were trying to ban chefs knives and bandying about the idea of putting GPS trackers on every knife?

JosephStalin · Mar 19, 2019

BoxofMonkeys said:
Wasn't the UK the place where they were trying to ban chefs knives and bandying about the idea of putting GPS trackers on every knife?

Yes.

This UK could never have stood up to Hitler after the fall of France in 1940.

Pixy · Mar 19, 2019

Superloop, an ISP in Australia and Asia-Pacific in general, hasn't blocked KF, 4chan/channel, Zero Hedge etc.

repentance · Mar 19, 2019

Some technical info on what TPG and Voda were doing yesterday.

Sackity said:
Superloop, an ISP in Australia, hasn't blocked KF, 4chan/channel, Zero Hedge etc.

Neither has Aussie Broadband. Whirlpoolers are now reporting their ISPs unblocking Zerohedge.

QT 219 · Mar 19, 2019

Null said:
And I don't give a single solitary fuck what section 50 of your faggot law say about sharing your email. Fuck you and fuck your shithole country.

They really mad at this nigga. :story:

Christchurch mosque shootings: Website Kiwi Farms refuses to surrender data linked to accused

US operator of controversial website smacks down request by New Zealand police.

www.nzherald.co.nz

"Before he founded Kiwi Farms, Moon was sacked as an administrator for 8chan for allegedly promoting paedophilia. He is notorious for his online stalking and harassment campaigns, which have featured threats to "rape, murder and dismember" his mainly female victims.

In 2016, Moon was linked to a series of online threats to harm children in Florida, where he shares a home with his mother, forcing dozens of schools into lockdown."

Vordrak is creaming on himself.

:story:

EDIT: I don't care if it's late. I can't stop laughing at how butthurt an entire political system is when it comes to the Internet. And now they're trying to paint it like KF was encouraging the shooting and shit by disseminating factual information.

I only have a single question for New Zealand: DO YOU LIKE...MY CAR?

TheChivalrysOath · Mar 19, 2019

Masterton woman to be charged over Facebook post about Christchurch mosque shootings

A woman who posted on Facebook about the Christchurch shootings will be charged with inciting racial disharmony.

www.stuff.co.nz

I didn't see this posted but police here have now arrested a 28 year old women. Someone reported her over a "unsettling" message on Facebook. They won't release any details of what was said. Only that it was classified as "inciting racial disharmony".

Pargon · Mar 19, 2019

Zeitgeist said:
They really mad at this nigga.

Christchurch mosque shootings: Website Kiwi Farms refuses to surrender data linked to accused

US operator of controversial website smacks down request by New Zealand police.

www.nzherald.co.nz

"Before he founded Kiwi Farms, Moon was sacked as an administrator for 8chan for allegedly promoting paedophilia. He is notorious for his online stalking and harassment campaigns, which have featured threats to "rape, murder and dismember" his mainly female victims.

In 2016, Moon was linked to a series of online threats to harm children in Florida, where he shares a home with his mother, forcing dozens of schools into lockdown."

Vordrak is creaming on himself.

EDIT: I don't care if it's late. I can't stop laughing at how butthurt an entire political system is when it comes to the Internet. And now they're trying to paint it like KF was encouraging the shooting and shit by disseminating factual information.

I only have a single question for New Zealand: DO YOU LIKE...MY CAR?

Cool how the press can just publish whatever baseless things they want without fear of repercussion provided the target isn't some billionaire who can afford to sue them into the void.

In unrelated news, I hear that Jacinda Ardern can't achieve orgasm unless she's choking an infant with her bare hands whilst being fucked from behind by a Clydesdale.

Uranus Pink · Mar 19, 2019

Biggest lie the news media told the people was yellow journalism was dead and they're all impartial now. At least with U.S. yellow journalism in the 18th and 19th centuries people knew which side an individual newspaper was on. And more importantly competition of competing papers with opposing viewpoints and opinions.

repentance · Mar 19, 2019

Uranus Pink said:
Biggest lie the news media told the people was yellow journalism was dead and they're all impartial now. At least with U.S. yellow journalism in the 18th and 19th centuries people knew which side an individual newspaper was on. And more importantly competition of competing papers with opposing viewpoints and opinions.

Here, at least, the media has become more and more tabloid over the last twenty years. Serious, investigative journalism is pretty much extinct.