Weeb Wars / AnimeGate / #KickVic / #IStandWithVic / #vickicksback - General Discussion Thread

[Scarlett Johansson]

Sean Schemmel is Sabat's buttbuddy right? I wonder if he'll add his completely unwarranted two cents in.

 

[DrunkJoe]

So wait these fucks might have gone into criminal terrority. Fucking righteous kharma. Trying to ruin a mans life for twitter virtue points wasnt enough for them. They just want more blood.

 

[mindlessobserver]

All I know is Nick is kind of entering the same territory that Monica and co entered, which is to say he's directly accusing them of something based off of information we haven't seen, and if it's just a straight up lie then that doesn't look good. I believe that he's telling the truth, but still.

Good bet the guy who gave Nick the info was the CEO of the con himself.

 

[captkrisma]

Good bet the guy who gave Nick the info was the CEO of the con himself.

Especially since he DMed Nick saying that he can't do this anymore and wants to quit.

 

[Zilortha]

Especially since he DMed Nick saying that he can't do this anymore and wants to quit.

Let's not get ahead of ourselves. The person might simply work with the director, and overheard his frustrations, his plans, etc. and revealed them to Nick.
There's a chance it could be the director, but there's a chance it might not be too.

 

[Burnout]

So wait these fucks might have gone into criminal terrority. Fucking righteous kharma. Trying to ruin a mans life for twitter virtue points wasnt enough for them. They just want more blood.

It's possible that Sabbat's (Sabat's? I have no idea how it's spelled) angle was immediate financial gain. Maybe Rial too, if she's deluded enough to think that folks will give her money since Vic isn't around to patronize via autographs and whatnot.

 

[Monkey Prick]

You'd think KamehaCon would just grow a spine and invite Vic regardless, they've done nothing wrong in all this and if Sabat and co want to breach their contracts let them. There's a good chance when all this stuff gets laid out on paper to the public that they'll end up being shunned by the community. Think about it, why would you invite habitual liars who you run the risk of being bullied by if you don't give into their demands? I doubt the kick Vic Vas are going to have many fans left by the time this is over with and I could see their business prospects drying up too. I'd laugh my ass off if somehow through all this Vic ends up with a good chunk of Sabats recording studio and Funimation have to come grovelling back once they need to use it for Dragon ball again.

 

[Urbanmech]

So wait these fucks might have gone into criminal terrority. Fucking righteous kharma. Trying to ruin a mans life for twitter virtue points wasnt enough for them. They just want more blood.

So what's the criminal part here? I am slow for I am Urbanmech...

 

[Clockwork Dragon]

You'd think KamehaCon would just grow a spine and invite Vic regardless

This phenomenon is actually what is really interesting to me about all this culture war stuff. People who buckle under are demonstrably worse off than if they just stood firm and did what they signed up to do. I feel bad for the KamehaCon guy if all this has fallen out as has been discussed, but, if so, he showed them his belly and so he placed himself in a position of weakness.

 

[Monkey Prick]

So what's the criminal part here? I am slow for I am Urbanmech...

Blackmail by the sounds of it, forcing the chair of KamehaCon to not invite Vic back for fear of all the Funimation VAs they have invited not coming. The interesting part is if Sabat himself said this he could be in for a world of hurt as I believe he actually has a position at Funimation beyond his VA work which could in theory suck Funimation into all of thise whether they wanted it or not.

 

[Urbanmech]

Blackmail by the sounds of it, forcing the chair of KamehaCon to not invite Vic back for fear of all the Funimation VAs they have invited not coming. The interesting part is if Sabat himself said this he could be in for a world of hurt as I believe he actually has a position at Funimation beyond his VA work which could in theory suck Funimation into all of thise whether they wanted it or not.

Wouldn't that fall under TI with a contract though? Or are you saying the Kamehacon Owner has the right to charge them with Blackmail?

 

[captkrisma]

It wouldn't be blackmail, because blackmail implies they have negative information that they'll leak. More like extortion.

 

[Urbanmech]

It wouldn't be blackmail, because blackmail implies they have negative information that they'll leak. More like extortion.

But that would apply to the Con owner and not Vic correct?

 

[Medicated]

You'd think KamehaCon would just grow a spine and invite Vic regardless, they've done nothing wrong in all this and if Sabat and co want to breach their contracts let them. There's a good chance when all this stuff gets laid out on paper to the public that they'll end up being shunned by the community.

I think they assume no matter what they do, they have Funimation, Rooster Teeth, Sony, ANN, and Amelia Cooke to pay everyone off and give them some nice media coverage. That's the only reason I can think they'd act like there are no consequences to their actions.

 

[Zilortha]

Wouldn't that fall under TI with a contract though? Or are you saying the Kamehacon Owner has the right to charge them with Blackmail?

I think it would only be TI w/ Contract if they were trying to get Vic kicked by pressuring the director without threatening their own contracts. But threatening to break their own contracts if the director didn't break Vic's contract? That seems like TI w/ contract and potential extortion or something very similar. I could be 100% wrong, but either way it's not good for Rial + Sabat and Co.

It's certainly another case of TI, and potentially more.

 

[Monkey Prick]

Wouldn't that fall under TI with a contract though? Or are you saying the Kamehacon Owner has the right to charge them with Blackmail?

They're blackmailing the KamehaCon chair yes, if this is all true then the TI with a contract stuff is a slam dunk for BHBH. If they have indeed done what has been said then they're up to their eyeballs in shit. Good luck trying to find a lawyer to defend you now.

 

[Urbanmech]

I think it would only be TI w/ Contract if they were trying to get Vic kicked by pressuring the director without threatening their own contracts. But threatening to break their own contracts if the director didn't break Vic's contract? That seems like TI w/ contract and potential extortion or something very similar. I could be 100% wrong, but either way it's not good for Rial + Sabat and Co.

It's certainly another case of TI, and potentially more.

I mean could they get nailed with both. Vic goes after TI with a Contract and the Con owner gets the law to get them for Extortion?

 

[Ponderous Pillock]

I am honestly really perplexed by the timeline of the latest developments, so if someone could correct me if I am wrong:

* Sometime in Feb, Rial, Toye and Sabat, and very possibly Shane Holmberg, allegedly pressured the chair of Kamehacon to disinvite Vic. Was this before or after they should have become aware that Vic had retained an attorney and was going to sue their asses, potentially for tortious interference of various types, thereby dragging Funimation as an entity further into this mess?

* Sometime in the very recent past (?), after learning that Kamehacon was going to re-invite Vic, they allegedly strongarmed the chair into not inviting him, and again further dragged Funimation into this. This is not only the tortious interference, but also possibly criminal, and took place well after they became aware that Vic had retained counsel and was pursuing them for damages?

I guess what I am confused about is why they would allegedly do this after they are well aware that papers are already being served, and so I wonder if this all took place when they were still in denial about Vic actually proceeding. They can't have actually believed that these allegations wouldn't get out.

As for Shane, I guess I don't get why someone would allegedly deliberately involve himself in an ongoing legal situation. It boggles my mind. Attention whoring doesn't seem to be a good enough reason, but maybe he is pathological in some way. I can believe that VA's are more or less narcs (like most actors of various stripes), but he's just a schlub.

If the timeline of allegations in my head is correct, the sheer arrogance is breathtaking. What are they thinking?!

Remember, the hot take was that Vic should go off, apologise for all the rape, beg for forgiveness, then fade into obscurity as the new woke and righteous thinking took their earned places at the top table for all Funimation roles. Personal friends of Rial and Sabat have benefited from Vic being fired from all his roles in Texas and everyone else has "moved up one" meaning longer queues at cons, more appearances (and associated fees) and more chances to hock merch and make more money. All for the low, low cost of an innocent man, his livelyhood and reputation. It's cost them nothing at all for now, and has been repeated writ large across whole communities for the better part of a decade.

Also, do not underestimate how fucking important these morons think they are. That seething jealousy is what has driven them since at least November, if not for years. They're still on the high for "winning the fight" not realising they barely scraped by round one. This is why they've (allegedly) thrown their weight around at Kamahecon, they still think they're winning despite the fact the wheels of civil litigation have begun to squeak and squeal as they slowly start to turn.

They're acting like bullies because the current VAs not turning up would hurt the con's bottom line. Not many people realise all this stupid shit is going down and Sabat and Rial need the extra win. As Nick pointed out, it's shitloads of money at a time when most lawyers by the point of this fucking train wreck will be asking for $40-50k up front each and they won't be able to fucking resist trying to punt their story out there again at the DBZ convention where all the core fans are going to be watching and are not aware of the situation.

As Nick guessed, rightly, they'd be able to pick up 20-30k easily in a single weekend talking to people they hate the sight of and for signing shit as lazily as humanly fucking possible.

They're well aware of the litigation coming, the problem is they have tiny lizard brains addicted to social media and approved news sources so have no fucking clue them screaming Vic's a rapist or a predator repeatedly is just making things a lot worse for them, and this situation with the con?

Well, for starters they threatened the con with a no-show if Vic was reinvited. That's TI with contract as everyone was contracted to appear to the point as @AnOminous has said it's basically text book slam dunk. So, strike one.

Strike two is threatening to call all their friends and for them to no-show if Vic was reinvited. That, if proven, is outright extortion and an actual criminal offence. It's where the "That's an awful nice X you got there" meme comes from. We've apparently got proof that these fucking idiots, at a time when they're being served papers, decided to wail on a guy for three hours straight by text telling him they'd try and ruin his con by giving him a bunch of empty tables and probably make some further idiotic public statements about how evil people are for backing Vic.

But that would apply to the Con owner and not Vic correct?

Yes, but it is proof of malicious intent. Just makes the TI part of the case a fucking easy win for BHBH and Vic.

 

[RodgerDodger]

I’m a little confused here. Was Vic under contract when Sabat and them called up Kameha Con? From what I heard from Nick, they had a change of heart about bringing Vic but was a contract established at that point?

Slow fag here.

The original contract was still in effect. In February they had decided to cancel it based on pressure from the Funi VA’s. That was before Vic got a lawyer involved. After everything came out, 5 days ago Kamehacon reversed their decision d3cided they would honor their signed contract with Vic and reinvite him. Then yesterday, Tuesday, Sabat, Rial, Toye and Shane? Spent 3 hours harassing the con owner until he pulled the invite again, and decided he is ending the con going forward.

There is a written contract. It is the one written and signed months ago. He would not need a new contract. The con has the option to remedy the breach by honoring it.

 

[Urbanmech]

Here is some food for thought. So everyone is asking how reliable Nick's source is on the Kamehacon.

Didn't Nick just "defame" the Sabat, Rial , Toye and Shane with his allegations in a public forum? And if yes wouldn't you think his source would be really credible for him to do something like that?