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Dishwater said:
Almost sounds like he's trying to be the mouthpiece for those who can no longer speak - giving a list of "all" that happened as their proof.
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GethN7 said:
He just handed the lawyer who will certainty be grilling him in court a roadmap of shit to grill him on. Why he's making the job of Ty Beard easier baffles the mind.
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After watching Shane for a couple of weeks... no it really doesn't baffle the mind. It is almost predictable. He will always double down on his stupidity in order to inflate his own self importance. Seemingly with no concept or willingness to understand just how much damage he is doing to himself or those he professes to align with. He's going to be a Discovery dream come true, because he's a complete moron who thinks he's clever, and he just won't fucking shut up.

Love Soze said:
Yeah. They are called Weber Shandwick.

I fully believe this conspiracy. Because the idea that someone would spend all day on Twitter without pay is just too damn depressing.
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rotollo said:
aren't they the guys who used to employ asteros, what's their deal anyway?
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Weber Shandwick is a Marketing Firm. Rumor has it that in addition to traditional Madison Ave services they have a "Dirty Tricks" Social Media "Marketing" division. That is basically an online harassment, slander, disinformation and astroturfing brigade. Paid Online Thuggery. This is Kwanzer's day job. Suspicions have long been that Ren might be one of their contractors. With speculation that someone at Marvel (likely Breevoort or Amanat) engaged their services to attempt to discredit several of the prominent Comicsgater's. Mainly Richard Meyer, Ethan Van Scriver, etc. It was at that moment that Renfamous seemingly appeared out of nowhere, a fully fleshed out industry insider and expert, that nobody had ever heard of before, to launch into non stop vile attacks. This is just common speculation mind you. No proof has yet been found.
 
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Remember that the Beard will not be in the trial itself but the Amazon Primes will.

REGENDarySumanai said:
Allison might as well start selling her weeb shit for dosh for the impending justice dicking. Then again, she won't and she'll be in the hole.
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It would be funny if it was all plush. Because those sell for shit.
 
Least Concern said:
Imagine you're a Japanese MGTOW. You're so sick of these Japanese women and their immature behaviors. You wonder what it would be like to be with one of those elegant, smart, mature foreign women you see on TV and in movies. Then, one day, your dream comes true; you meet a beautiful young lady from America. She's a teacher, and she seems so much smarter and put together than the childish Japanese women you're used to. You two seem to really be hitting it off, and she takes the next step and invites you to her apartment. But you step in, kick off your shoes, and the first thing you see is…

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Really makes you wonder how the hell Allison got a teaching job in Japan in the first place. She does not seem very well adjusted socially.
 
Umm does anyone else think Todd turned over some evidence to BHBH due to getting threatened? Like noticed how the GFM is not needed anymore. I mean can lawyers waive fees for anything they want?
 
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Urbanmech said:
Umm does anyone else think Todd turned over some evidence to BHBH due to getting threatened? Like noticed how the GFM is not needed anymore. I mean can lawyers waive fees for anything they want?
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It's not impossible, any service provider has that kind of discretion, especially when they have the power to make executive decisions. What I mean is that the cashier at a garage can't do that, but the owner can. Fairly obvious, but if I don't say that someone will ask so...
 
Made an account just to be a part of trying to solve who Iago is, because I like a good mystery, and I think Sabat is the sucker's answer. IMO I think he's Igor, because Ty barely bothered to describe him, and he falls in line with the obvious fall-guy. To me, the fact that everyone, myself included, immediately assumed Ty was going to say 'Sabat is in the middle' is a red flag considering everything else Ty said.

Other people have listed off his hints, but I'm gonna do it again myself, because people have missed or dismissed some.

  1. Not affiliated with either Funimation or RT but has influence over them
  2. Not affiliated with any cons, but has influence over them
  3. Brags about his wealth online, and while Ty mocks him about this he's also not poor.
  4. He has enough that not only does he have the ability to put $200k toward his own lawyer fees, but he can be reasonably expected to cover someone else's lawyer fees.
  5. He thinks that there's no proof of his involvement in this and he's too far from this to be caught
  6. He has a higher, weaselly voice.
  7. He's not particularly attractive, and he's not nice.
  8. He's not lucky with women
  9. He's vice-president of a company neither Funimation nor RT, nor any of the cons
  10. His communication has been kept mostly over the phone, in texts and phonecalls
  11. With all the information BHBH has, they don't have enough to come for him on the first round, and he can reasonably expect that he's somehow immune and won't be caught in any sweep.
  12. No one likes Iago, the feeling is mutual
  13. IMO Ty was implying a history with Iago, that he'd threatened a previous client of his.
  14. It COULD be Todd, but if this were Sabat and so much of his influence is already known, why hide his name, why hide Todd's identity? There's no need. At this point Sabat knows he's getting pulled into this, and everyone else knows it too. That supports the theory that Sabat is Igor.
  15. He's a slimy, disgusting fellow, which when all added up means he's probably the kind of person you can tell is untrustworthy and unpleasant from looking at him and interacting with him. Like a businessman of some sort.
People keep disregarding one or more of these points to try to make it Sabat, but it's a mistake to twist information to fit a previous conclusion. I don't know who this is, but I think this is more than enough information to figure out who it is if digging is done.

Here's why I think Sabat is Igor, not Iago

  1. Sabat is affiliated with Funimation and maybe RT, I know he's not 'technically' employed by Funimation, but that doesn't mean he isn't 'affiliated' with them, and as we know he is operating as a vice-principle for Funi, which is important for a later point.
  2. Sabat is also affiliated with at least Kamehacon, due to his studio tour. There's no point in Ty identifying him as not being affiliated with the cons if Sabat actually is.
  3. I don't know if Sabat has ever bragged about his wealth, but he's definitely got less money at his disposal than Vic. I find it unlikely he has $200k to drop on a lawyer himself, and he definitely couldn't be convincingly believed to back someone else up with a lawyer. The wording used makes me doubt this could be a reference to Evan.
  4. Yes, Sabat might think he can't be touched, but it's very unlikely that at the time of Ty speaking this he could be saying "You can't prove anything!" - he already knows that Kamehacon has the texts, and Sabat made the mistake of communicating in other DMs on twitter. They're all acting in some fog of delusion, but it aligns better for me that Sabat thinks he's going to be protected than that he can't be touched.
  5. Sabat's voice is deep, see: every character he voices. I know his actual voice isn't as deep and Ty has a naturally deep voice, but it's a stretch to say it's that high.
  6. I know it's easy to call Sabat ugly and weird looking because of personal bias, but he's quite popular with women due to the characters he voices and has voiced for ages. We have evidence of this because of the various girls flirting with him over Twitter, and the fact that he has kids (and maybe is married? I'm not sure, maybe the kids are from an ex)
  7. He's vice-president of a different company. it's not Sabat's studio, since he'd be the boss of it. It's not Funi or RT because they have other reasons to be dragged into lawsuits already. 7 + 1 makes it all but impossible to be Sabat all on its own. Ty can't say Sabat isn't associated with Funimation in one breath and then say that he's going to drag Funimation into the lawsuit because Sabat is its vice-president in the next.
  8. As mentioned above, Sabat already has communications on Twitter leaked. Ty kept talking about 'thousands of texts' on the matter. This strongly indicates to me that the person isn't using twitter to issue his orders (and this is part of why he thinks he can't be caught)
  9. As mentioned, I don't think Sabat is in any position to think he's immune, and I actually doubt he won't be on the first 'round' of litigation now that he's been caught with Kamehacon.
  10. It's hard to say if people like or dislike Sabat because people lied so much about Vic, but I don't think he's universally disliked. He's very charismatic, and gets along with people easily - look at how friendly and open he is with TFS, who were nobodies to him until he became a DBZA fan.
  11. Again, Sabat just doesn't come off as this slimy unpleasant fellow, it's why so many people are upset to find out that he's the mafioso.
So, while there's some overlap, like Sabat might be pushing people around and he is in a position to threaten Todd with retaliation, and Sabat's in hiding somewhat...but I think Sabat is Igor. Someone else, someone who no one is currently looking at except Ty, is Iago. And I think Nick knows simply because of the birds that whisper in his ear.
 
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rotollo said:
aren't they the guys who used to employ asteros, what's their deal anyway?
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Yeah. They are a big PR firm. I talked about it a bit in the Comicsgate thread.

Love Soze said:
To add to that conspiracy, Kwanza Osajyefo (Government Name: Kwanza Johnson) of BLACK AF works for Weber Shandwick a massive public relations computer known for running what are essentially gay ops. The conspiracy is that Marvel has hired Weber Shandwick and Ren and SJWSpiderman work for Weber.

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Weber Shandwick's "Firebell" Crisis Program, where they talk about setting up fake profiles:
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Weber Shandwick is a Marketing Firm. Rumor has it that in addition to traditional Madison Ave services they have a "Dirty Tricks" Social Media "Marketing" division. That is basically an online harassment, slander, disinformation and astroturfing brigade. Paid Online Thuggery. This is Kwanzer's day job. Suspicions have long been that Ren might be one of their contractors. With speculation that someone at Marvel (likely Breevoort or Amanat) engaged their services to attempt to discredit several of the prominent Comicsgater's. Mainly Richard Meyer, Ethan Van Scriver, etc. It was at that moment that Renfamous seemingly appeared out of nowhere, a fully fleshed out industry insider and expert, that nobody had ever heard of before, to launch into non stop vile attacks. This is just common speculation mind you. No proof has yet been found.
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Is there any proof that Weber Shandwick actually sells e-thugging services at all?
 
damian said:
:story: RON NOOOOOOOO! He liking tweets were Rekieta ans Vic are getting shit talked. Ron may not be speakingbut these screenshots say 1000 words:
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Of course he's a fan of Nick's favorite Canadian civil paralegal.
 
damian said:
:story: RON NOOOOOOOO! He liking tweets were Rekieta and Vic are getting shit talked. Ron may not be speaking but these screenshots say a 1000 words:
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And all of the bitter.
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Well BHBH would love that lol

Burnout said:
It's not impossible, any service provider has that kind of discretion, especially when they have the power to make executive decisions. What I mean is that the cashier at a garage can't do that, but the owner can. Fairly obvious, but if I don't say that someone will ask so...
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Just making sure its "ethical" to do something like that.
 
Urbanmech said:
Umm does anyone else think Todd turned over some evidence to BHBH due to getting threatened? Like noticed how the GFM is not needed anymore. I mean can lawyers waive fees for anything they want?
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Are you saying that BHBH waived their representation fees for Haberkorn because he's feeding them info to help with Mignogna's case? I guess it's theoretically possible, but I doubt it. I think it's more likely that, since Haberkorn's case is going to be smaller and less comprehensive, he just decided to out-of-pocket it rather than fundraise.

But who really knows. This thread has been 87% speculation for the last few days.
 
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