Unpopular Opinions About Western Animation

I imagine Safir is referring to The Dragon Prince having the elves exile humans and the narrative presenting them as having some legit grounds for it (namely Dark Magic that threatens magical creatures).

Safir said:
Aaron Ehasz is worse than Konietzko and Dimartino. As of Dragon Prince, he's an outright genocide apologist in addition to being a "current year" sjw hack. I love the Whorra videos, but man, the intro where E;R credits Ehasz with being the brains behind Avatar didn't age well.
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It was always a stretch. The Last Airbender was a joint effort. It's certainly possible that they canceled each-other's atrocious ideas out. As shown by how worse TLA Book 3 was since it was when Bryke took a notably larger role (and Korra of course).
 
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Ren and Stimpy wasn’t all that funny to me most of the time. (Sven Hoek is great though)

Despite all the memes and it potentially fucking up the animation industry, Shrek 1 to me is a goddamned masterpiece. 2 was great too, but it doesn’t capture the same feeling I had when I first watched the original.
 
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Rick and Morty already existed a decade and a half ago.
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Safir said:
Aaron Ehasz is worse than Konietzko and Dimartino. As of Dragon Prince, he's an outright genocide apologist in addition to being a "current year" sjw hack. I love the Whorra videos, but man, the intro where E;R credits Ehasz with being the brains behind Avatar didn't age well.
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I’d like some clarification on this, if you wouldn’t mind.

Dragon Prince has some big problems but I’m enjoying it so far, at least, much more than I enjoyed Korra.

Gotta say that the backstory plot line with the King and the famine in season 2 was pretty stupid though. Did the King really think that starving his own kingdom to help another wasn’t going to inevitably end with him being killed by a mob of angry subjects? He literally was going to forcefully take half of his nation’s food to give to another country and this was portrayed a noble action. Bitch, it’s easy for you not to worry about starving, but when your people start losing their kids because of your “generosity” you’re gonna be dealing with a collapsing kingdom.

I guess a kids show not being well versed in any kind of logical politics is to be expected though lmao
 
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I watched all 21 Big Mouth episodes out of boredom and I legit think it's one of the worst shows I've ever seen, and not because of the character designs or "pedophilia" (anyone who gets pedo vibes from it is a closet pedophile).

It makes a huge deal in promos and shit how it accurately portrays middle school and pushes the envelope.

They all speak and act like 30-year-olds, only ever doing stupid impulsive shit when reluctantly following their hormone monster's orders. Malcolm in the Middle did this WAY better: in one episode Malcolm needs to dispose of a live handgun and naturally thinks to saw it in half, when in Big Mouth it would be the kid arguing with their hormone monster for a full minute that they really should tell an adult about it until finally giving up and trembling as they're cutting through it. Jay is supposed to be deranged or some shit when he's the only one who acts anywhere near his age (he's basically that one annoying tryhard, not fucked in the head).

It doesn't "push the envelope" in any way unless you're an English teacher. Every single mature topic is fucking presented in the most educational, adult manner possible; it constantly felt like some sort of educational video they'd show in sex ed. And they're clearly TRYING to be educational for current middle schoolers; how the actual fuck is an actually educational segment about birth control methods, or body positivity, or consensual sex, supposed to be a "satirical look at puberty?" They even bail out of potentially funny moments, like sucking a kid into the "porn world" before his friend walks in on him jacking off, or shifting the focus of a high school party to consent before all the kids can get drunk and do really stupid shit. They even do shit like portraying GTA in the most gamergate light imaginable, devolving it into a hooker-shooting sim.

TL;DR: It's completely false advertising. It's not accurate to middle school at all and extremely preachy.
edit: holy shit the mr. enter thread is contagious
 
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I haven't watched it in years, but from what I remember, Uncle Grandpa was a great show, despite it making meme references and low-brow gross out jokes sometimes. Every episode was at least new and original (even if the episode in question wasn't good), and the dynamics between the characters and seeing how they reacted to the crazy situations were funny.
 
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Shokew said:
I could say the same about Randy Cunningham 9th Grade Ninja and Tangled: TAS / Rapunzel's Tangles Adventure. Good, consistent presentation/artstyles/animation, an actual point to their madness I can definitely get behind unlike some other shows people worship out there (concept-wise) and just all around hilarious and fun to watch when I can get away with it.
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Back when Randy was on, my parents actually banned me from watching it. I guess it was a little too...random for them. I have no idea.

I have more things to say as well.

Hero: 108's world was so crazy and convoluted, and I love it. It's probably the closest thing out there to televised Problem Sleuth, in that the show introduces weird concept after weird concept. It's too bad most of the episodes in the first season (haven't seen the second one) revolve around rescuing the commander of the rebel protagonists, ApeTrully. You have a great world. I want it explored, dammit.

The Disney Renaissance is the singular-most overrated period in film history. The Disney films I've seen were always formulaic and had characters whose arcs were always quite predictable, until Hunchback of Notre Dame. Yes, that means I'm trashing The Lion King. Sure, I can pop a Disney movie in any day and feel entertained, but the fact that there are thousands...millions of adults out there who would say these are the best animated films ever makes me think we as a society need to get our heads checked.

Turbo: FAST was good, great even. The movie may have been mediocre, but the cartoon made the concept work. There's a song called Schizophrenia in that show which as every bit as catchy and meme-worthy as We Are Number One. Can't believe they got that past the PG-rating.

EDIT: I've changed my mind about the Disney Renaissance. Watching Daniel Ibbertson's documentary on Aladdin made me realize how good the Renaissance and its movies were. Even the most formulaic films in that period had bombastic characters, great songs, and beautiful animation.
 
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Crichax said:
I haven't watched it in years, but from what I remember, Uncle Grandpa was a great show, despite it making meme references and low-brow gross out jokes sometimes. Every episode was at least new and original (even if the episode in question wasn't good), and the dynamics between the characters and seeing how they reacted to the crazy situations were funny.
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I'm not even that big on Uncle Grandpa like you are and I still think we could use more cartoons like it, going forward - provided the effort put into the humor is strong, of course. Too bad reception towards these types of shows is so negative, lately. Damn shame - whatever it did, still funnier than anything Steven Universe dare call that, honestly.
 
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Shokew said:
I'm not even that big on Uncle Grandpa like you are and I still think we could use more cartoons like it, going forward - provided the effort put into the humor is strong, of course. Too bad reception towards these types of shows is so negative, lately. Damn shame - whatever it did, still funnier than anything Steven Universe dare call that, honestly.
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I wouldn't say I'm that BIG on it, but I recognize it for being a decent show for what it was with occasional flashes of greatness.
 
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Crichax said:
I wouldn't say I'm that BIG on it, but I recognize it for being a decent show for what it was with occasional flashes of greatness.
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I stopped watching CN by the time Uncle Grandpa started airing but I probably had the same feelings as you towards The Problem Solverz and Secret Mountain Fort Awesome in the final year I watched that channel. I actually thought the latter was one of the best shows I'd ever seen
 
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