Weeb Wars / AnimeGate / #KickVic / #IStandWithVic / #vickicksback - General Discussion Thread

[Freddy Freaker]

And yet they can't sound natural at all. It all sounds like they're reading from a script these days or just changing their volume, the direction is trash compared to the care that seems to come from Japan -- even for the lowliest of anime Japan seems to have a higher sense of professionalism. I honestly can't blame people treating the dubbing industry as trash if that's the majority of what they produce, ya know?

Is there any particular reason for this behavior? Laziness, arrogance, etc?

I'm gonna say a combination of laziness and promotion via political correctness.

Hell, if you're gonna do a bad dub at least be funny bad like most 80s/90s dubs

 

[SinglePlayerCarl]

Please... just stop... you sound like some 2018 GG/KiA sperg

"We must attack when the time is right"
"She will reveal her weakness soon"

See this is exactly why I got out of GG, when people wanted to go slapfighting on Twitter was some sort of epic larp as WHK40K. It's just sad.

There's a reason why I'm saying: just let them neck themselves.
The shit's not a game to play with in the real world -- the more #KickVic does to craft a metanarrative, the worse it'll go for them.

Telling people to just sit up, pay attention, log everything and wait affects nothing -- that's what we did in Comicsgate.


Consider Lauren, for example: For months she kept hollering down next to the #VomitBookPros of Healther Antos, Visaggo, Quinn, and others like her. Casting doubts, putdowns and suspicions about how none of the CG books were real, they're all grifts and they were being duped, the same as she's doing now.

Come to current day: All books have been completed, shipped, and received, with the exception of Bloodhoney -- EVS (and every commissioned author and artist) keeps actively updating to make MORE art and keeps themselves honest in that capacity by showing people the whole creative process like candy being made behind glass.

You literally don't have to do anything but sit, record, and let reality play out.
We don't need to go out and do anything, Nick and BHBH will do that for us.

Relaaaaax and kick up a chair, my guy.

 

[NotoriousD]

Another update:

Now caught up to 500, attempting to catch up on the backlog, based on the timeline of my first tweet and suggesting to start hard archiving everything.

The tweets keep coming, but the tip line keeps going off in my searches, I've taken to medicating myself so I don't Game End reading all of these mind-melting tweets.

I just opened this bottle, and had to drink half of it to get through 494~499.

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Second update of the night:

There was a thunderstorm in my area, took out my wifi, stuck editing on my cellular device until power runs out or phone dies.

Whichever happens first.

Now on bottle 2 of the night, dumped it into a bottle to sip so I don't poison myself.

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Keep the archives coming.

I'll catch up eventually.



Then archive the video, isolate the frame, and search based on the word match of the tweet is Advanced Search parameters.

Don't make my purgatory worse than it is.




We don't need moles, remember?

https://webrecorder.io/ gets around protected mode.

I tried it out all day today -- shit works like a dream.

Thanks for all the hard work but please don't run yourself into the ground.

So I guess this is what Cody wanted to share.

Jesus Christ.

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People will make a waifu out of fucking anything these days.

 

[Five Percent]

"Does Vic's invitation count as an act of God?"

Or better yet, can a self-professed aethist claim act of God for contract severance?

 

[Least Concern]

Is Kamehacon is okay with them doing all this shit? If it turns out that Kamehacon has indeed rolled over and will just let them do what they want then I'm sorry but they should fuck off into the abyss after this too, Imagine being pushed around by people and then when they hand you the rope to hang them by you scuttle off like a kicked dog.

That's a bit harsh. The KamehaCon staff has a lot to put up with right now making sure the actual convention goes off on top of all of the legal and drama crap they're having to deal with now. I really can't blame them if they take a "fine, whatever, just get out of my office" attitude towards Rial's anti-con for now. Perhaps, once the con is over and they have some time to breathe, they can consider their options then.

Plus, doxxing wouldn't have done much then or now - since I'm already a public figure to some degree; VA is a side interest, second to my current job in public safety. The last time someone acted on doxxed information, I ended up making someone's wife a BBC convert & getting a soybeard's funko pop collection melted down and his marriage annulled.…

I've had to claw and fight for what I've had since I was 12 in this industry, and those same VA bullied me then too, because I wouldn't sell my soul. They promised all of those things and more, sex included -- and then when the "situation" happened (having to move across country) , those promises and asspats turned into generalized fear, then hatred, and then shrieking.

Okay… these vague incomplete stories are intriguing, but unless you can fully dox yourself and tell us more, stop teasing us with them.

Unpopular opinion:

I actually like Jeremy Hambly, and I think his video is useful in bringing more attention to this autism carnival, and to all the faggotry on the #KickVic side.

Spoiler: O/T opinion on Hambly

I didn't like or hate him any more than similar YouTubers - until he started his little campaign against "pedos" in the MTG community. Those are very serious accusations to be thrown around, and if he really thinks he found legit predators, he should have taken that crap to the police, not made YouTube videos about it. That's not that different from "Vic kissed my neck eight years ago but I never went to the cops," actually.

That said, the morons who think his attack was staged somehow or didn't really happen are retards. The ones that say "well, if that happened to me, I wouldn't have let him hit me. I would have turned around and beat the shit out of him while dramatic music played in the background and then everybody clapped" are incredible retards.

 

[SinglePlayerCarl]

And yet they can't sound natural at all. It all sounds like they're reading from a script these days or just changing their volume, the direction is trash compared to the care that seems to come from Japan -- even for the lowliest of anime Japan seems to have a higher sense of professionalism. I honestly can't blame people treating the dubbing industry as trash if that's the majority of what they produce, ya know?

Is there any particular reason for this behavior? Laziness, arrogance, etc?

It sounds like it, because they are. In ADR, the drastic difference between performances of characters is based how much someone is "putting on" the voice.

Some actors can just be lazy, but the mixer is meant to cover it up as much as possible in post. Some performances, sadly, can't be salvaged altogether.

Brittany Karbowski's performances across Funi dubs is really good example of "can't cover up the sameness." because of how flat her vocal performance is.

If you listen very closely, you can hear it. It's that gravely, sand-paper mouthfeel.

That's the condenser mic filter registering her sliding between mezzo-soprano (70% of most voice roles) and her natural contralto. It's very noticeable when her character is meant to be panicking or screaming.

She's not making her voice "whole", she's stressing her larynx and esophageal passages and forcing air into her nasal cavity and out her vocal cords -- that "sand-paper" result is her voice resonating through bone and not the air.

It's called head-voicing and it's annoying as fuck -- but it gets a pass because normal people don't notice this, normally.

Rial suffers from this as well, but she dips between soprano and mezzo-soprano instead and doesn't head-voice her shrill timbre and adds contralto bass control behind it while voicing from the diaphragm -- which is the correct method.


Do it wrong, and you destroy your vocal cords, causing nodules to form from scarring.

Fun fact: this is how a black metal scream mechanically functions vocally.

Soy boy is still babbling. No archive I'm, afraid as his tweets are protected.

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Use https://webrecorder.io/ , it gets around protected mode. @repentance.

 

[Megaroad]

And yet they can't sound natural at all. It all sounds like they're reading from a script these days or just changing their volume, the direction is trash compared to the care that seems to come from Japan -- even for the lowliest of anime Japan seems to have a higher sense of professionalism. I honestly can't blame people treating the dubbing industry as trash if that's the majority of what they produce, ya know?

Is there any particular reason for this behavior? Laziness, arrogance, etc?

As much as people want to shit on 80's/90's dubs, they had a charm. Love the dubs for the old Fist of the North Star and Golgo 13 movies for that reason (Steamline was awesome).

We'll never hear anyone with range or charisma like Cam Clarke or Richard Epcar anymore. Hell, I'll take Robert Belgrade's Alucard over Yuri Lowenthal anyday. And most women now sound so bad.

From what I know, dubbing actors seem to be failed actors who barely got through some psycho voice acting school in LA (the UCB), at least from what I remember an old Dick Masterson rant.

Just seems like since when Persona 3/4 were released I've noticed it's the same dozen actors and it'd be fine of they could act beyond their one or two notes. Ironically Vic was the one actor I liked from 3.

Tangent note: some autistic kid that tried butting into our Resident Evil 2 Board Game session introduced himself by sperging about how evil Capcom is for replacing the video games actors with non-union actors. Not maybe, you know, trying to find people with some talent so REmake 2 doesn't come off as anothet b-grade horror movie.

edit: Having said that, Canada actually has a great dubbing pool, Ocean Group, who produced the best DBZ dub.

 

[king of pickles]

And yet they can't sound natural at all. It all sounds like they're reading from a script these days or just changing their volume, the direction is trash compared to the care that seems to come from Japan -- even for the lowliest of anime Japan seems to have a higher sense of professionalism. I honestly can't blame people treating the dubbing industry as trash if that's the majority of what they produce, ya know?

Is there any particular reason for this behavior? Laziness, arrogance, etc?

I heard that a japanese VA learns their trade in dedicated schools or during their work as an actor. Also, their standards are very high, since voice acting makes or breaks a character. In some other countries dubbing is also a trade you heave to learn, sometimes in university. I also noticed that many dubbers here have difficulties getting the tone and emotion right and that they seemingly lack the professionalism of other VAs. There's much more to convey than mere words. The good part here is, you can replace those clowns way easier.

 

[Burnout]

Here is some food for thought, they are not charging admission. I bet they will still charge for signatures and such at said event.

Maybe I was imagining it, but I almost got the impression last night that Nick was suggesting that once they've breached for any reason, say by informing them they're not going and then making it public, the contract no longer applies to them.

Maybe I'm misinterpreting, but that would mean the con would only have action for the cause of breach - saying they won't show up - and everything that follows that, like making their own event, charging for it, or competing with the original event are no longer covered by the contract. In other words, once they've put in notice they're not showing up that's the end of the contract. It's broken. The implication is that if they're careful HOW they breach, they can get away with whatever else once the contract has been nullified.

I'm guessing that's horribly wrong, but that's how Nick was coming across to me last night.

 

[SinglePlayerCarl]

As much as people want to shit on 80's/90's dubs, they had a charm. Love the dubs for the old Fist of the North Star and Golgo 13 movies for that reason (Steamline was awesome).

We'll never hear anyone with range or charisma like Cam Clarke or Richard Epcar anymore. Hell, I'll take Robert Belgrade's Alucard over Yuri Lowenthal anyday. And most women now sound so bad.

From what I know, dubbing actors seem to be failed actors who barely got through some psycho voice acting school in LA (the UCB), at least from what I remember an old Dick Masterson rant.

Just seems like since when Persona 3/4 were released I've noticed it's the same dozen actors and it'd be fine of they could act beyond their one or two notes. Ironically Vic was the one actor I liked from 3.

Tangent note: some autistic kid that tried butting into our Resident Evil 2 Board Game session introduced himself by sperging about how evil Capcom is for replacing the video games actors with non-union actors. Not maybe, you know, trying to find people with some talent so REmake 2 doesn't come off as anothet b-grade horror movie.

edit: Having said that, Canada actually has a great dubbing pool, Ocean Group, who produced the best DBZ dub.

This is accurate to my experience.

I heard that a japanese VA learns their trade in dedicated schools or during their work as an actor. Also, their standards are very high, since voice acting makes or breaks a character. In some other countries dubbing is also a trade you heave to learn, sometimes in university. I also noticed that many dubbers here have difficulties getting the tone and emotion right and that they seemingly lack the professionalism of other VAs. There's much more to convey than mere words. The good part here is, you can replace those clowns way easier.

Also accurate. In general AZN works, 87% of the project is a voiced role.

If you can't voice the on-screen character to sound consistent to the emotion the character should be expressing through the suit actor's movements and body language to what you're doing in the studio with the foley director and mixing specialist, you just wasted $70,000 of studio time for a 6 minute cut of vocals.

 

[VermilionFluttershy]

So not only is she trying to use Kamehacon's name to advertise her new "spite" con but they're not charging for it? So they're basically going to breach contract to not make any money from this at all? Is Kamehacon is okay with them doing all this shit? If it turns out that Kamehacon has indeed rolled over and will just let them do what they want then I'm sorry but they should fuck off into the abyss after this too, Imagine being pushed around by people and then when they hand you the rope to hang them by you scuttle off like a kicked dog.

You know what this is starting to sound like to me?

Tanacon.

No, really. Tana got mad at Vidcon, backed out, hosted her own con nearby and offered free admission. Though I'm pretty sure Tana wasn't under contract to be at Vidcon, it's still pretty similar.

Something to keep in mind is that Tana, despite being some YouTube thot, still had quite a turnout (Though that probably had more to do with Shane Dawson being there). She also gave goodie bags to people that paid in advance to be there, and I think they also got to be first in line. (The goodie bag was shit, btw. Just looked like a bunch travel size products they bought at a random Walmart somewhere.)

Now, it being the middle of summer, it got hot. Fast. By the end of the day, several fans had been hospitalized due to heat related issues. It may not be summer yet, but spring in Texas can be just as brutal. If other VAs that backed out of KC show up, I'm willing to bet that there might be a decent amount of people showing up, mainly fans that don't know about this shitshow. I'd hope that there will be staff handing out water to people in line, should they be stuck outside or, at the very least, make sure that their venue can hold a lot of people. With all the stupidity we've seen from their side though... I'm not holding my breath.

As a side note, as much as I dislike WatchMojo, I think it's cool that, despite the rumors, they are still bringing Todd in to narrarate videos for them, as well as adding his name in the title. Just saw the latest vid he did for them yesterday, and it wasn't that bad. (He sounded amused when discussing a nun getting punched by the main character in A Certain Magical Index, a show dubbed by Funimation) It's nice to see that he's still able to find work.

 

[Son of Sparda 84]

Wow what a sick comeback. Sarcasm

 

[captkrisma]

That's a bit harsh. The KamehaCon staff has a lot to put up with right now making sure the actual convention goes off on top of all of the legal and drama crap they're having to deal with now. I really can't blame them if they take a "fine, whatever, just get out of my office" attitude towards Rial's anti-con for now. Perhaps, once the con is over and they have some time to breathe, they can consider their options then.

This. Wait until the convention finishes before we start going over how much money the owners can get through breech.

As for Monica's venue accepting Kamehacon badges, of course a public park will accept the badges. No need to charge admission for going up to the park bench and getting your autograph!

EDIT: Please don't mistake Renfamous for a hobo, even though they look and smell similar.

 

[VermilionFluttershy]

As an aside, and seriously, I don't remember a thread on KF being this out of control since "Brianna Wu for Congress" was a thing. But I've only been here since 2016 so maybe this is more common than I think. ?

The Channel Awesome thread got pretty crazy after that whole #changethechannel bs got started. (Funny enough, MarzGurl was involved with that as well).

And then we learned that Jew Wario had been outed as a sexual predator. I remember waking up, checking in on the thread, and finding that about 70 or so new pages had popped up while I was asleep.

 

[Monkey Prick]

That's a bit harsh. The KamehaCon staff has a lot to put up with right now making sure the actual convention goes off on top of all of the legal and drama crap they're having to deal with now. I really can't blame them if they take a "fine, whatever, just get out of my office" attitude towards Rial's anti-con for now. Perhaps, once the con is over and they have some time to breathe, they can consider their options then.



Okay… these vague incomplete stories are intriguing, but unless you can fully dox yourself and tell us more, stop teasing us with them.

Spoiler: O/T opinion on Hambly

I didn't like or hate him any more than similar YouTubers - until he started his little campaign against "pedos" in the MTG community. Those are very serious accusations to be thrown around, and if he really thinks he found legit predators, he should have taken that crap to the police, not made YouTube videos about it. That's not that different from "Vic kissed my neck eight years ago but I never went to the cops," actually.

That said, the morons who think his attack was staged somehow or didn't really happen are exceptional individuals. The ones that say "well, if that happened to me, I wouldn't have let him hit me. I would have turned around and beat the shit out of him while dramatic music played in the background and then everybody clapped" are incredible exceptional individuals.

Waiting until the con is over is a bitch made move, these people are actively looking for fuck over Kameha con now for not doing as they say.

As for Hambly, I thought his pedo crusade was mostly against registered sex offenders still being in the judge program and WotC not giving a shit because they don't bother to check the backgrounds of these people.

 

[RodgerDodger]

That's a bit harsh. The KamehaCon staff has a lot to put up with right now making sure the actual convention goes off on top of all of the legal and drama crap they're having to deal with now. I really can't blame them if they take a "fine, whatever, just get out of my office" attitude towards Rial's anti-con for now. Perhaps, once the con is over and they have some time to breathe, they can consider their options then.

They may not have that luxury with regard to the competing event. They can let Rial walk away from her appearance, no problem. That’s a matter of discretion. But their paying vendors have a reasonable expectation under their contracts that KC will take steps to protect their venue from this sort of thing. It’s a bit like Licensing contracts. The licensor has the expectation that the IP owner/licensor will take every possible step to protect and insure the value of the license that they have purchased and contracted. That they go after bootleggers, etc. Failure to take reasonable steps to protect the value of the con and contracts, such as enforcing the clear language of the contract on others, may be argued as a breach unto itself. If they don’t enforce the contracts then what benefit do they have for the vendors that sign them?

 

[Kari Kamiya]

That said, I feel like there is scripture about those that believe in God being protected from those that act against Him and having their false accusations materialize against them. I can't say I remember any such scripture, merely feel like it's there, but if anyone knows what the fuck I'm talking about please share.

I'm currently looking, but I am aware scriptures say that Christ at the end of days is to be part of the judgment and therefore, according to Malachi 3:5, "will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, and against the adulterers, and against false swearers..."; so even if it doesn't happen in this life, judgment and justice comes to those on the other side. I've never seen him be described as a judge, though, as he's supposed to be there pleading your case at the judgment bar. But far as I've been taught and pondered upon, I imagine it plays out no differently from how a court case would go, so you'd get witnesses and a jury and perhaps an audience according to what's written in the Book of Life.

(Being the weirdo I am, I've been wondering if this is something I and others may get to witness the full story of in the next life just for being invested in what's going on now.)

I've been using key words of "false witness" (or just "false") and "slander", but I do believe it's mentioned that God brings about people's false witnesses before them, albeit in due time, as it's happened to false prophets and antichrists in scripture (and it's always gone badly for them, they tend to die horribly). Either way, 1 Corinthians 15:58 asks, "Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye steadfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord." And then there's Jesus' Sermon on the Mount in Matthew 5:10-11: "Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake."

Probably wasn't what you were thinking of, but that's what I got thus far if it helps.

 

[Burnout]

That said, I feel like there is scripture about those that believe in God being protected from those that act against Him and having their false accusations materialize against them. I can't say I remember any such scripture, merely feel like it's there, but if anyone knows what the fuck I'm talking about please share.

Try Isaiah 54:17
No weapon formed against you shall prosper,
And every tongue which rises against you in judgment
You shall condemn.
This is the heritage of the servants of the Lord,
And their righteousness is from Me,”
Says the Lord.

 

[mindlessobserver]

Kamehacon should absolutely send a "fuck you, no" letter to Rial and company about their rival con. This is probably new ground forall of them since I am certain these primardonnas have never missed an opportunity for buckets of cash and psychophantic fan ass pats a get together like kamehacon offered. I remember Ty commenting that almost everyone in the US Anime industry is coming across as amateurs. This is and always has been a semi professional hobby industry everyone involved more or less did on the side. The convention owners and probably many of the backup voice actors have their own day jobs.

 

[Tard]

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Wow what a sick comeback. Sarcasm

This lardass Dragonball neckbeard is calling a woman a virgin
This is so backwards