The Horrific War Crimes of Japan, never acknowledged, never atoned for, or apologized for. - Kawaii culture used as propaganda to make Japan look better after killing millions of people.

Will the world ever openly condemn Japan, and will Japan ever accept its history, or just bury it?

  • They will never apologize and keep brainwashing their people.

    Votes: 59 47.6%
  • They will apologize after another nuke.

    Votes: 32 25.8%
  • It's actually Trump's fault, Japan Dindu nuffin.

    Votes: 53 42.7%

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People who live in glass houses ...
  • Most of the Japanese doctors who conducted "experiments" on Chinese were ushered to ... the U.S., where they worked and shared their info in exchange for a complete immunity.
  • US bombed more German civilians than people know about. Dresden was a big one, but I think that it was more of a policy than isolated incidents, based on my conversations with different WWII surviving Germans.
  • US and UK signed "repatriation" agreement that forced millions of former Soviet citizens to be returned to SU for execution or GULAG time. In some cases, Soviet POWs were executed at the docks as British ships unloaded them.
  • UK fucked Poles with prejudice, in so many ways.
There are very few countries that could legit claim high moral ground in WWII. I remember seeing UK propaganda leaflet to German soldiers that in graphic illustration said something like: "while you fight, back home, jews are raping your wives and daughters" ... google can't find it anymore.

I am also glad to see in this thread that some people remember that Soviet Union entered WWII as an Axis power by dividing Poland in 1939 and splitting Norway/Finland.

Up until 1941, Stalin publicly congratulated Hitler on occupation of Paris and Soviet trains with grain, ore and other things rolled into Germany up til the night of 22nd of June. This is an inconvenient truth that does clarify some of Paton's sentiment.
 
The problem is history gets twisted to the point where in the US we're being taught the US was completely in the wrong in the run up to WW2, and we bombed japan for no reason, and no talking about the HORRIBLE shit other countries did because we aren't perfect and their governments get mad when people bring it up.

How long until the US was actually the one genociding people and the nazis actually were just misunderstood?

And this is why you never apologize. Once you do, it's blood in the water, because you've just admitted (to the satisfaction of far too many) that you're ACKSHULLY the bad guy here. Instead, we decided to go the endless self-flagellation route (sure, not as bad as Germany, but that's a low bar) and have gotten tangled up in our own ridiculous moral qualms because we're scared of being seen as not giving a fuck about shit that happened decades or centuries ago.

If you want penance, get a religion and do it yourself. It's not something you have a right to demand from others, be it your fellow countrymen or random strangers.
 
And this is why you never apologize. Once you do, it's blood in the water, because you've just admitted (to the satisfaction of far too many) that you're ACKSHULLY the bad guy here. Instead, we decided to go the endless self-flagellation route (sure, not as bad as Germany, but that's a low bar) and have gotten tangled up in our own ridiculous moral qualms because we're scared of being seen as not giving a fuck about shit that happened decades or centuries ago.

If you want penance, get a religion and do it yourself. It's not something you have a right to demand from others, be it your fellow countrymen or random strangers.

the problem that I have, the guilt is socialized but gain is privatized.

There were not many individuals/families/companies that profited from the mayhem. Especially on the winning side, people who made those heinous decisions are at very least protected, or at best glorified. Most Stalin's executioners are still classified to this day. In some cases, when their names are known, they still retire with full honors drawing good pensions. There was a case in UK when relatives of high ranking UK officer who sent thousands of POWs to their deaths sued for defamation. That's the real problem. It's not about apologies, it's about transparency because to this day those in power declare: "if you follow our immoral orders, we will protect you" There are many x-KGB/Stasi agents living kick ass lives in Europe. Weren't Merkel a Stasi agent herself?

The problem is not about apology, it's rekoning.
 
the allies made up the whole genocide thing.

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How long until the US was actually the one genociding people and the nazis actually were just misunderstood?

Every side is mostly misunderstood. The first casualty of war is the truth. The whitewashing of any country's atrocities is always special. But it's easier to spot in countries where you didn't grow up in the groupthink and among the people that were propagandized into a certain viewpoint. I have my doubts about any government that starts a war due to the horrible things that's being done to regular people. I just don't buy it.

I don't buy that Germany attacked Poland due to the horrible things being done to German people in Poland and I don't buy that US got into war because of the horrible things japan was doing to other asian people. I don't think babies, whether they're being bayonetted or whether it's like the 14 words, ever factor into the primary decision making by the nation-leaders. It just seems that way because it's one of the most persuasive vehicles of propaganda towards the people.
 
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Reminder that there is no way that how the Injuns were treated is "morally superior" to the Holocaust.

Also reminder that Orientals don't give a big damn about Hitler. The way they see it, all he did was kill some Anglos, Slavs, and Jews.
 
It's not about moral superiority, punishment, or penance. It's about that old saying, those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.

You talk about the atrocities the US has been involved in. But in school we aren't taught those atrocities are lies. Sure, they don't go into every single bad thing, nor should japan, but that's different from telling a different version of events than actually happened.

To me, it's like the thing with conservatives in politics being 'respectable'. If we, the US, play by the rules of admitting our fuck ups and not taking too much credit for the good shit we did, but every other country does not play by those rules, people are going to think the US is actually worse than those other countries, when in fact, the opposite is true.

The US didn't enter WW2 because of japanese atrocities, or because of nazi atrocities. We entered WW2 because japan attacked pearl harbor. The axis attacked the allies in WW2, I hope that part isn't now in debate. This isn't a "both sides were wrong" thing because the side that starts a war is the aggressor. When you do what you have to to stay alive because you're being attacked, you get a lot more leeway than if you do it not in self defense.

When we bombed civilians, we were targeting factories, infrastructure, trying to end the war. Throwing babies into the air and impaling them on bayonets in pre-industrial china was not accelerating the end of the war.

This fucking matters because it's all going to happen again, or at least, something close enough. I'd like it if when that happens we have an accurate history still, and it isn't "Well we can't just end the war with atomic bombs because last time the US did that it was just for laughs and to put a scare into russia, and besides, the US really started that war anyway".
 
It's not about moral superiority, punishment, or penance. It's about that old saying, those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.

But it will be used for all of those things. You're talking about how these things ought to work, when experience tells us differently: there are far too many interested parties for simply changing their stance to "yeah, it happened" to be without serious consequences. If the Japanese don't want the grievence industry setting up in their country and browbeating their children into self-hatred for being Japanese, Kraut-style, and see "we dindu nuffin" as the best way to protect themselves from that sort of hostile system gaming, more power to them.
 
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The Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor since the Amerimutts were butting into the Far East. We already established that.

Also, what part of "Amerimongrels covered up for Hirohito and Co. instead of ensuring they be judged by the Chinks and other countries" are you missing.
 
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The US had a big problem (Russia) and couldn't afford to have one hand tied down slowly suppressing Japan mile by mile. Both the nukes and the relatively lenient terms offered to Japan's leadership reflect that desperation. The nukes as a threat to Stalin, the lack of harsh consequences for their royalty to get them to sign the dotted line faster and let the US park their navy there.
 
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The Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor since the Amerimutts were butting into the Far East. We already established that.

Also, what part of "Amerimongrels covered up for Hirohito and Co. instead of ensuring they be judged by the Chinks and other countries" are you missing.
Well of course: US had interest in China since the Spanish-American war; its what set up the US and Japan drifting into conflict in the first place

Slightly confused by your second point though: are you saying us covering for the Japanese Emperor was a bad thing? Or are you just critiquing OPs confusion on why the US gave amnesty in the first place.
 
The Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor since the Amerimutts were butting into the Far East. We already established that.

Also, what part of "Amerimongrels covered up for Hirohito and Co. instead of ensuring they be judged by the Chinks and other countries" are you missing.
Yeah, they were mad that we were looking at countries they wanted to take over. That doesn't justify it, nor does it make it wrong for us to respond to the attack.

OK, americans helped cover for hirohito. Let's not pretend we didn't and lie about it then. I don't care, if japan wants to go full china and say "We never did anything bad" they can, we just should write them off like we do anything coming out of china. OK, they're liars, good to know. We, in the US, can still keep track of true history, and we should make sure we remember that's what we're doing, so later, down the line, it's not "He said, she said" it's "US said, China said, everyone knows china's a liar, so let's ignore china". We apparently need to do the same with japan. Their nationalist propaganda isn't truth.
 
Anyway, if Amerimutts can get away with terrorizing the Injuns then we can let the Japs off fo Nanking.
This is a bad comparison for a few reasons:
  1. Smallpox etc. did the vast bulk of the genocide work against the Amerinds.
  2. Amerinds frequently traded and collaborated with the USA against "themselves" i.e. they weren't a unified bloc.
  3. Democratic/Christian restraint did spare them frequently wherein they were relocated or left alone for various periods.
  4. They really were uncivilized savages. If you look into the practices of indigenous people all over the world, you'll find we got our estimations right the first time. Since native practices involve things unspeakable to civilized people--it's natural this kind of information didn't get around. Howard Zinn can go fuck himself.

Meanwhile the Japanese and the Germans said "neener neener the world is our amerind, we are exempt from morality" like full on autismos and just went around genociding fully literate civilized peoples with no restraint whatsoever, which really wasn't the same thing at all.
 
OK, americans helped cover for hirohito. Let's not pretend we didn't and lie about it then. I don't care, if japan wants to go full china and say "We never did anything bad" they can, we just should write them off like we do anything coming out of china. OK, they're liars, good to know. We, in the US, can still keep track of true history, and we should make sure we remember that's what we're doing, so later, down the line, it's not "He said, she said" it's "US said, China said, everyone knows china's a liar, so let's ignore china". We apparently need to do the same with japan. Their nationalist propaganda isn't truth.

But it is a he said, she said. Has the US published the original contents of the morgenthau plan, for example? A document that in all likelyhood contains a plan for the death of millions of germans post-war. Would anyone in the US have known about the dresden bombing without Irving's book? Has the original claims of the holocaust not been revised numerous times, despite being illegal to do so in almost the entire west, including in the then by US occupied Germany? Claims of making people into soap, lampshade, etc have fallen by the wayside and the amount of camps that were death camps has been steadily reduced, as well as the deaths per individual camp, though the total deaths of those camps together still sits at its original figure.

I think one thing that americans often aren't tuned into that they had a significant hand in shaping (west) germany after the war. And though being eminently preferential to living in east germany (which is why people generally fled from east to west if they could), a lot of the direction of Germany has been built by the US, including all the speech laws that ensure dominance of american's version of events. Americans love to wave their free speech in for example german's faces, but it's the americans that brought those speech laws in the first place. It's like japan saying: "Look at the high rape rate of china during the second world war! Ha ha those barbaric chinese!" Well yeah, lots of rape, but it's your doing.

America's nationalist propaganda isn't truth either. Is there any pimary or secondary education in the US that teaches how american soldiers raped in Germany?

I'm not saying that they should, by the way, just that the idea that there is a tradition of unfiltered truth in american education is as false as saying so for japan.
 
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It depends who you ask. Some can still feel that anger others don't, it's entirely different in Asia:


Like I mentioned in another thread, the Philippines has a bit of a different perspective in regards to WWII:

https://www.filipiknow.net/common-misconceptions-about-wwii-in-the-philippines/

10 Biggest Misconceptions About World War II In The Philippines


World War II was one of the largest and deadliest conflicts in human history, claiming the lives of millions and wrecking havoc on countries’ economies throughout the world.

Truly a “world war” in scope, virtually every country participated directly or indirectly in the war. For the Philippines, its own involvement came in the form of being occupied by the Japanese for three years.

Eager to grab the country’s natural resources, the Japanese drove out the Americans and became the new masters of the archipelago. Their reign—marked by numerous accounts of atrocities—alienated majority of the Filipinos who kept on fighting for their homeland right until the Americans came back to liberate the country.

According to the famous quote, the first victim of war is usually truth, and with World War II here in our country, it’s no different. Over the years, many misconceptions have been made about certain facts, and thus it is only right to rectify them in order to set the record straight.

Note: This article in no way seeks to justify the unprovoked Japanese aggression and occupation of the Philippines but only seeks to give a clearer picture of what really happened during those dark and deplorable days.


1. Every Japanese Treated Our Countrymen Harshly.

A mother and child murdered on the streets of Manila. Source: Battling Bastards of Bataan
Probably the biggest reason why some Filipinos—especially those belonging to the older generation—still harbor feelings of hatred for the Japanese is because of the brutality they suffered under their rule. We don’t blame them; after all, it is well-documented that life was generally a living hell for those who lived under the Japanese.

Contrary to popular belief however, not all the Japanese acted like savage barbarians. In fact, there were some who actually displayed kindness towards the people. Chief Justice Abad Santos had fond memories of a Christian Japanese Captain named Watanabe who not only treated him and his son kindly, but even delivered his letter to his wife.

https://www.filipiknow.net/rare-historical-videos-philippines/
Japanese officers, especially those who knew how to speak English, and their men were quite well-behaved and would even try to befriend the local Filipino community. While it won’t erase the stigma of their compatriots’ brutality, it’s also equally wrong to classify every single Japanese as a mindless murderer.



2. They Controlled The Entire Philippines.
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WWII Japanese Premier Tojo & Gen. Waji-Ehk Arrive in Manila. Source: tommy japan via Flickr
While the Japanese did wrest the country from the Americans, a highly effective guerrilla force prevented them from ever taking full control of the country.

In fact, the Japanese controlled as much as only 40 percent; all the rest belonged to different guerrilla groups. While the Japanese did control the major urban centers, they were in fact confined mostly to Luzon and Visayas, surrounded by the guerrillas who operated in the countryside and in the mountains.


One guerrilla movement in Mindanao—the island farthest from the Japanese—even installed its own government which operated out in the open. These groups’ non-stop destabilization and surveillance campaign against the Japanese proved to be hugely successful, and were invaluable to the eventual return of the Americans.



3. The Guerrillas Were A United Front.
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Propaganda poster depicting the Philippine resistance movement. Via Wikimedia Commons.
In a way, the different guerrilla groups were united primarily that they had to fight a common enemy. However, the cause for unity ends there as these groups hated each other almost as much as they hated the Japanese. In fact, they often fought each other either for territory and influence.


The Huks, for instance, despised American-led guerrilla groups and would often engage them in battle. The Moros also clashed with Filipino and USAFFE guerrillas on a regular basis. So in actuality, the conflict in the Philippines looked less like a clear-cut duel between two people and more like a barroom brawl among drunken customers.



4. The Guerrillas Were Composed Of Filipinos And Americans Only.
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Chinese-Filipino guerrillas with some captured Japanese soldiers in Luzon. Source: www.watawat.net
While we may think that only Filipinos and Americans fought as guerrillas against the Japanese, there was actually another nationality that fought them here too: the Chinese.

That’s right, the Chinese—being also on the receiving end of Japanese aggression during the war—formed their own guerrilla group against the invaders. Composed mainly of assimilated Chinese, the Philippine Chinese Anti-Japanese Guerrilla Force or “Wah Chi” operated in Central Luzon and often conducted lightning raids and liquidations against the Japanese and their collaborators.


They also fought together with the Huk. In fact, Luis Taruc was said to have remarked that among the guerrilla groups, the Wah Chi “were among the most courageous and ferocious.” Speaking of ferocity…



5. The Guerrillas Fought A Good, Clean Fight.
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Four Japanese snipers shot and killed in the muddy water of a bomb crater (1944). Source: Wikimedia Commons.
To think that only the Japanese were brutal is misleading since various accounts have shown how creatively cruel our guerrilla forefathers could be as well. That Filipinos are an innately gentle and hospitable people just goes to show how far the Japanese actually forced them into becoming cruel sadists as well.

Fulfilling the proverb of “violence begets violence” and driven by revenge, the Filipino guerrillas struck fear into the hearts of the invaders, mutilating and decapitating captured Japanese soldiers whenever they could. One Japanese officer in Mindanao related how they would go back to sleep on their ships at night for fear of being ambushed by Moro juramentados. When the Americans finally returned, their cigarettes were often bartered with by the guerrillas using the severed heads of Japanese soldiers.


The guerrillas also often ignored American orders to treat captured enemy soldiers well, killing and decapitating them the moment they could lay their hands on them. Even the Americans themselves were frightened at the behavior and appearance of the guerrillas, some of whom vowed not to shave or cut their hair until they’ve wiped out the enemy.

Again, only by the sheer cruelty of the Japanese were the Filipinos forced to become cruel themselves.


6. The American Liberation Campaign Was Unstoppable.
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US Armada moving towards Leyte Island (1944). Via Wikimedia Commons.
Believe it or not, General Douglas MacArthur almost didn’t get to keep his promise of returning to the Philippines in 1944, and it’s all thanks to some very critical mistakes the Americans made during the decisive Battle of Leyte Gulf. Luckily for them though, the Japanese made far more mistakes.

At this point, the Japanese were getting desperate and banking on a last-ditch gambit to delay or even possibly defeat the overwhelming American forces poised to land on Leyte. To do this, they consolidated what was left of their once-mighty Navy and devised a plan wherein a sacrificial decoy force would lure away the American’s most powerful ships which was guarding the invasion force. With those out of the way, the Japanese would then swoop in with their own ships and destroy the unguarded forces.


The plan, if it succeeded, would have slaughtered a countless number of American soldiers as well as set the liberation campaign schedule back by years. And it nearly worked too.

Taking the bait, the powerful main fleet led by Admiral William Halsey pursued the decoys and allowed the Japanese Navy led by Vice-Admiral Takeo Kurita to sail unopposed through the San Bernardino Strait right into the unguarded American forces off the coast of Samar. Up against this overwhelming force of battleships which included the Yamato (the largest of its kind in the world) and heavy cruisers was a motley collection of American support ships which consisted of slow-moving escort carriers, transports, and small destroyer ships.

However, the Americans displayed ferocious fighting skills in their engagement, their outgunned ships going toe-to-toe with the powerful Japanese battleships. In fact, Kurita lost his nerve and sounded the retreat because he thought he had been fighting the main American fleet.



7. MacArthur Made His “I Shall Return” Speech Here.

Gen. Douglas MacArthur wades ashore during initial landings at Leyte, Philippine Islands (1944). Via Wikimedia Commons.
With all the legends surrounding MacArthur, it’s probably no wonder if many Filipinos still think he announced his famous promise here on Philippine soil.

In reality however, MacArthur uttered that line only after he had arrived in Terowie, South Australia with the rest of the evacuees from Corregidor. He also kept repeating that line in his subsequent speeches.


Incidentally, his colleagues and officials at Washington thought MacArthur’s line was too personal and asked him to change it to “We shall return”, a request he ignored. Besides, his supporters countered, MacArthur took the war personally since he thought he had let the Filipino people down and wanted to make amends.



8. The Japanese Completely Surprised Our Forces When The War Began.
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Battle of Corregidor: Victorious Japanese troops on Hearn Battery (1942). Via Wikimedia Commons.
After the infamous attack on Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941, we were taught that the Japanese quickly launched “surprise” air raids on several bases across the Philippines.

One raid at Clark Airfield—which would be known as our own version of Pearl Harbor—resulted in the destruction of virtually the entire arsenal of USAFFE airplanes. As a consequence, the Japanese achieved air superiority at the onset of their invasion of the country.

It was a complete tactical surprise, right? Not really.

Since the attack on Pearl Harbor, USAFFE forces in the country had already been put on the alert for the impending Japanese onslaught. In fact, General Lewis Brereton, commander of the Far East Air Force even proposed sending bomber planes to destroy Japanese air bases in Formosa (Taiwan) to pre-empt their raids when he heard the news about Pearl Harbor. He also recommended that the planes be kept off the ground in order to prevent their destruction by the Japanese.


However, bureaucratic squabbling between him and MacArthur’s Chief-of-Staff General Sutherland prevented the planes from launching the operation in time, an incident which has come to be known as the “Far East Air Force Controversy.” One Japanese airman who took part in the first air raids even expressed his surprise when he saw the American planes “like sitting ducks” on the ground.

Without the much-needed planes, the Filipinos and Americans found themselves at a huge disadvantage against the Japanese.



9. The Death March Was Japanese Brutality At Its Worst.


There is no question that the infamous Bataan Death March was one of Japan’s worst atrocities committed against the Filipinos and Americans. The 60-mile trek from Mariveles, Bataan in the south to Camp O’ Donnell in the north resulted in the deaths of tens of thousands of captured prisoners, many of whom succumbed to the gruelling conditions of the march.

Curiously enough, many misconceptions have been attributed to such a well-documented event. For one, some prisoners described the long walk as relatively easy. According to them, their constant rest stops was the reason why the march lasted for at least three weeks.

And aside from the numerous accounts of Japanese cruelty, there were also stories of kind Japanese soldiers who helped out the prisoners, giving them water and allowing them ample time to rest. A few even allowed the weak ones to ride with them on their jeepneys or trucks. Unfortunately, acts of kindness like the aforementioned were the exceptions rather than the norm.


Another misconception is the view that surrendered personnel from Corregidor were transferred and forced to join the Death March. On the contrary, at the time of their surrender (May 6, 1942) the last of the Death March participants had already reached Camp O’ Donnell in Tarlac, their exodus having begun after the fall of Bataan on April 9. Instead, they were shipped to Manila and paraded on the streets as the Japanese wanted to show off their victory.

The Corregidor prisoners were also in far better shape (they enjoyed better rations) than their comrades who joined the Death March at the time of their surrender.



10. Every Effect Of Japanese Occupation Was Negative.

Was there ever a positive effect of Japanese rule of the Philippines?

While a decimated population, a destroyed economy, and a wrecked infrastructure would seem to negate that notion, there were indeed a few silver linings to be had during their occupation of the country. For one, Tagalog and not English became the national language. As a result, our culture experienced a sort of renaissance during those years especially when artists and writers re-discovered the beauty of indigenous arts and literature.



As we’ve mentioned before, the presence of a foreign invader also strengthened our national identity. Even if the guerrilla groups squabbled among themselves, they at least had the propensity to recognize the Japanese as a common enemy.

Lastly, the occupation showcased the positive qualities of Filipinos who not only had to be resilient but also be extremely creative to stay alive. Conclusively, the hardships of the war definitely strengthened the Filipinos’ indomitable will to survive.
 
the presence of a foreign invader also strengthened our national identity.
I think calling the resistance to occupation a positive effect is stretching things a bit thin in saying why the foreign invader isn't as bad as it's cracked up to be.
 
I'll split the baby here: Japan doesn't have to apologize for the Rape of Nanjing but only if they admit that them having atomic weapons dropped on them was wholly justified, and stop complaining about it.
Pretty much this.
I doubt that apologizing now would matter (what good is apologizing for something done potentially years before you were even born?), but they should very well own up to it instead of revising textbooks and pretending none of it ever happened.
Eating two nukes because you refused to surrender, and then crying about it decades later is pussy shit. Get fucked.
 
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But it is a he said, she said. Has the US published the original contents of the morgenthau plan, for example? A document that in all likelyhood contains a plan for the death of millions of germans post-war. Would anyone in the US have known about the dresden bombing without Irving's book? Has the original claims of the holocaust not been revised numerous times, despite being illegal to do so in almost the entire west, including in the then by US occupied Germany? Claims of making people into soap, lampshade, etc have fallen by the wayside and the amount of camps that were death camps has been steadily reduced, as well as the deaths per individual camp, though the total deaths of those camps together still sits at its original figure.

I think one thing that americans often aren't tuned into that they had a significant hand in shaping (west) germany after the war. And though being eminently preferential to living in east germany (which is why people generally fled from east to west if they could), a lot of the direction of Germany has been built by the US, including all the speech laws that ensure dominance of american's version of events. Americans love to wave their free speech in for example german's faces, but it's the americans that brought those speech laws in the first place. It's like japan saying: "Look at the high rape rate of china during the second world war! Ha ha those barbaric chinese!" Well yeah, lots of rape, but it's your doing.

America's nationalist propaganda isn't truth either. Is there any pimary or secondary education in the US that teaches how american soldiers raped in Germany?

I'm not saying that they should, by the way, just that the idea that there is a tradition of unfiltered truth in american education is as false as saying so for japan.
No, i mean, they don't go into each and every individual war crime, but they also never said our troops were perfect, and occasionally incidents would be highlighted. If you think american education is teaching kids that america was always in the right I don't know what to tell you, half of it is telling you how horrible america is for the shit it did.

It's a matter of degree. China's version of history and truth is a very extreme degree of propaganda. Japan's isn't as extreme as china's, but certainly appears a lot more extreme than the US. Also in the US, there's really no mention of Japan's WW2 atrocities, because WW2 is about the holocaust and nothing else, unless it's something bad the US did, like dropping those atomic bombs for funsies.

I mean it's pretty funny to see the whataboutism, oh sure, Germany was directly attacking the citizens of london with rocket attacks, and Japan really loved to murder them some civilians, but we bombed dresden and hiroshima and nagasaki, so no thinking about which happened in response to which, we just have to feel guilty and not talk about what the other sides did.

So I'll happily continue to call the Japanese views on WW2 laughable propaganda, and will happily read about and research any US atrocities as well. Because I don't care who did the bad thing, let's just not let it happen again.
 
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