Weeb Wars / AnimeGate / #KickVic / #IStandWithVic / #vickicksback - General Discussion Thread

[XYZpdq]

I think anime conventions will only get better if are more focuses on creative and artistic aspects of it, but knowing human nature, and the current social and cultural climate these days, I wouldn't hold my breath.

There's something to be said for the "drinking all weekend and watching Japanese cartoons with other nerds" aspects, too

 

[LobotomizedFerret]

There's something to be said for the "drinking all weekend and watching Japanese cartoons with other nerds" aspects, too

Isn't partying a big aspect of these conventions? I've never been to one.

 

[AnOminous]

Don't forget Toei forced Funimation to use Vic. Supposedly the Texas clique didn't want him.

Is Nip Time a thing? Is Toei ever going to notice these insubordinate cunts basically pulled this shit which has immeasurably damaged their property solely out of revenge at their own choice of VA?

I'd be on my absolutely best behavior if I was any of the other VAs next weekend.

That's because you're not a complete nutcase.

Guess who are complete nutcases?

 

[XYZpdq]

Isn't partying a big aspect of these conventions? I've never been to one.

Some years back it was, at least, but it's been a while since I've been to any cons.

 

[captkrisma]

Isn't partying a big aspect of these conventions? I've never been to one.

Partying is still a big deal, but it's calmed down a lot since the old days. Craigslist used to be the website to find parties, now it's just relegated to bars that accommodate cosplayers

 

[I Love Beef]

There's something to be said for the "drinking all weekend and watching Japanese cartoons with other nerds" aspects, too

I'm not going to lie. Conventions elsewhere are also pretty decadent affairs of fandom indulgence, good and bad, compared to Japan. It's quite an affair of celebration and social congregation, pretty much.

Unfortunately, this can also mean for some people to get the idea that they need the world to know that they're the best in this fandom or something at cons, all while piggybacking off of the intellectual and imaginative creations of another. I understand the need to fill in the void in one's life, but convention drama shenanagains as we can see don't cut it.

 

[RodgerDodger]

Is Nip Time a thing? Is Toei ever going to notice these insubordinate cunts basically pulled this shit which has immeasurably damaged their property solely out of revenge at their own choice of VA?

The thing is Toei, and their partners such as Bandai, don’t actually view North America as a primary or core market. They make decisions almost solely based on Asia. Anything that happens in North America they largely view as a happy accident. A nice bonus. So they don’t tend to think in terms of “brand damage” over here. Mostly because they really don’t know how to operate here themselves. Ie how not to cause brand damage when they try. It makes them largely immune to SJW’s, but also makes them quite obtuse to things like this. At least from a structured business point of view. And it’s baked in. It isn’t even a money thing. Many of these Japanese companies make far more in North America then they do in Japan or Asia. But they have no idea how they do it or why, and it doesn’t factor into their decisions or planning. Kamehacon is a great example of this. It’s the only Dragonball specific con or event in North America. It’s only 2 years old. Toei and Bandai do dozens of Asia events yearly.

 

[LobotomizedFerret]

The thing is Toei, and their partners such as Bandai, don’t actually view North America as a primary or core market. They make decisions almost solely based on Asia. Anything that happens in North America they largely view as a happy accident. A nice bonus. So they don’t tend to think in terms of “brand damage” over here. Mostly because they really don’t know how to operate here themselves. Ie how not to cause brand damage when they try. It makes them largely immune to SJW’s, but also makes them quite obtuse to things like this. At least from a structured business point of view. And it’s baked in. It isn’t even a money thing. Many of these Japanese companies make far more in North America then they do in Japan or Asia. But they have no idea how they do it or why, and it doesn’t factor into their decisions or planning. Kamehacon is a great example of this. It’s the only Dragonball specific con or event in North America. It’s only 2 years old. Toei and Bandai do dozens of Asia events yearly.

Wasn't there something called the Dragonball Experience that was official?

 

[Mr. Zed da Robot Poon Fed]

My thoughts are this: They're waiting for Kamehacon to see if Sabat or anyone else from KV decide to say or do something stupid. Some of the TI claims stem from Kamehacon, and what better way to prove malice on the part of KV than to have them say or do something malicious during the convention? I'd be on my absolutely best behavior if I was any of the other VAs next weekend.

I’m thinking that Funimation and Rooster Teeth are being sued first. That way, BHBH can do discovery and find out what exactly the summer 2018 and beginning 2019 investigations had in them. If that ends up being cleared, that means no one else in this matter has remotely a leg to stand on. They can’t “wait” for anything. That would be a waste of money and time.

Todd’s case is easier not just because it’s only one person, but also that defense by truth applies to Thotmore.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

My experience with him suggests some perverse need to be important, regardless the cost. He insinuated himself into a criminal complaint at A-Kon 28 and polluted the investigation by questioning the person who was being complained against.

I misread this as "some perverse need to be impotent", which still makes it accurate.

But that's fucked, how do we know he's not just stupid but maliciously stupid?

 

[Recoil]

WELL. Seems that hairy underbelly of convention culture had long evaded me. Fuck. I guess there's the main undercurrent we all find in common: Jealousy.

Rules from me regarding general goers: Again, be careful who you associate yourself with. I'm not just talking about the professionals and those in the limelight, but also other groups of people wandering the halls on the weekend. Anime conventions aren't always full of fans sometimes; the conventions out here also attract carousers, hipsters, and junkies, especially at night, and they also have their own social circle orbiting conventions among other places they frequent. This also tends to loop around other close knit convention goer groups in and out and word of mouth easily spreads through to them.

So if you want to make friends at conventions, analyze closely, get to know them, and keep a watch on them over a course of time. I've had a lot of garbage throw themselves out because they turned out to be hypocrites or got themselves in the disease known as SJW Faggotry and atrophied away into the NPC hivemind, but some you have to toss out and say you don't know them ASAP.

Some of these people also can be criminal; I've had a cosplayer friend who had her entire wig collection of up to fifty some stolen by some thot she befriended years ago, and said thot is currently serving a hefty jail sentence out in Texas right now. No, my friend never got her wig collection back. Catch social cues, what they like and how they act, but in the face of "appearances can be deceiving", trust your instincts and back it up with the stimuli you got.

Finally, in light of Vic Mignogna's situation, and what he's doing, I'd give another word of advice: If you know you are innocent and still want to attend conventions, do it. Actions speak louder than words, and your prescence means a lot if you know you didn't do shit. Fight back if you need to, but always avoid starting shit. Most SJWs never return to conventions thankfully the year next, as I've seen; in my case, they usually gush over Marvel Cinematic Universe actors these days and fujoshi their way out there. Despite what I thought over the years, for many, anime is but a fad, and thankfully for them they go on to the next thing and fuck off out of our general direction as soon as the next trend hits. Finally, as common sense dictates, if shit is bad, then just don't go. Life is bigger than just some anime convention out in the middle of fly over America. Go to Japan if you want. Fuck it, I always say.

I think anime conventions will only get better if are more focuses on creative and artistic aspects of it, but knowing human nature, and the current social and cultural climate these days, I wouldn't hold my breath.

I've never been to a con, but I saw one in full swing when I was at a hotel in the south and the people were quite the rogues gallery. I sorta wanted to insert myself into the concordant chaos and see what stories developed.
I got the feeling you could wander into some crazy parties at an event like that.

 

[ctalkep]

I’m thinking that Funimation and Rooster Teeth are being sued first. ...

I'm not sure the employers get sued at all. They just made a business decision based on bad information. Isn't the focus strictly defamation/interference by the voice actor cabal?

 

[mindlessobserver]

Funimation is in hock because of their asinine statement about firing Vic following an investigation into the defamatory allegations. They are absolutely going to get sued. Especially since they actually have money and could potentially rope in Sony America who has ALOT of money. Their VA's also most likely have Vice Principle status since they are involved in hiring/firing. Sabat is definitely a vice principle.

Rooster teeth has always been more iffy. But they weren't able to tard wrangle everyone on their end so there is definitely an in there as well.

 

[Uranus Pink]

I've never been to a con, but I saw one in full swing when I was at a hotel in the south and the people were quite the rogues gallery. I sorta wanted to insert myself into the concordant chaos and see what stories developed.
I got the feeling you could wander into some crazy parties at an event like that.

At least for A-Kon, AnimeFest and San Japan con staff check everybody for badges for everything and I.D. for R-rated and up events and panels. Hotels in Texas in the last 2 or 4 years have been taking a lot of steps to ensure only their guests can only go to their rooms; given the number of false fire alarms, property destruction, noise complaints, etc. and etc. over the past 25 plus years.
So you're going to be limited on what you can do short of buying a day pass.

 

[Mr. Zed da Robot Poon Fed]

Yeah Ty Beard said that was the very first thing they thought of so that wont work for them, hehe!
I think Shane have a deranged need to feel important so he just spew random shit in hope that somebody will think he is something else then a misrable husk of rotten SOY!

Any chance they had of that succeeding, which was already near zero, completely went out the window with the Kamehacon shenanigans.

An anti-SLAPP is a special motion to dismiss that requires the complaint be outright frivolous on its face, even assuming every factual allegation in it is true, to the extent the defendant should have their legal fees paid by the plaintiff.

No judge in his right mind is going to look at months of defamation and a foot high stack of defamatory per se tweets by a horde of scummy defendants, as well as breached contracts and threats of breached contracts, and say "nope no case here." It's just not going to happen. They'll try it, they'll lose.

Maybe if they'd had the sense to just STFU and quit digging when this all started, that might have had a 0.1% chance of working but that's dead now.

They can keep living in a fool's paradise for a little while, though, emphasis on very, very little while.

Sorry. I didn’t mean Funimation in particular. Just one of the companies that they’re going after.

I'm not sure the employers get sued at all. They just made a business decision based on bad information. Isn't the focus strictly defamation/interference by the voice actor cabal?

Not necessarily. Otherwise, they would have never done an investigation. They also implied a reason for the being fired, whether by their stupid fucking voice actors/employees, or their own words themselves. If there comes no evidence of sexual harassment based on the investigation, like with Chris Hardwick on sexual abuse, they could be in trouble.

Ty also said he was looking into both companies as well.

 

[AnOminous]

It makes them largely immune to SJW’s, but also makes them quite obtuse to things like this.

Are they aware when someone takes a steaming shit right in their face to overrule what they've been told to do?

I’m thinking that Funimation and Rooster Teeth are being sued first.

I wouldn't be surprised if Funimation isn't sued at all, or if that part settles quickly. The problem with suing them is that moves this into suing your employer territory and if preserving Vic's career is still a possibility, that's not something you want on your record.

If this can be finessed into Vic getting further gigs from some other arm of Sony while Funimation continues doing its own dumb shit, that might be a happier resolution for everyone involved.

Or even better, Vic continues to get DBZ work and the rest of these VA fuckers get their heads delivered on platters and never work again.

But as fun as the latter is for me to contemplate, if you have a choice between money and revenge you're a fool if you pick revenge.

 

[Army Burger]

I will never get tired of Nick ripping on idiots on Twitter

 

[LobotomizedFerret]

Not really important but I thought it was interesting. The second top review on amazon is about Vic.

 

[Recoil]

At least for A-Kon, AnimeFest and San Japan con staff check everybody for badges for everything and I.D. for R-rated and up. Hotels in Texas in the last 2 or 4 years have been taking a lot of steps to ensure only their guests can only go to their rooms; given the number of false fire alarms, property destruction, noise complaints, etc. and etc. over the past 25 plus years.
So you're going to be limited on what you can do short of buying a day pass.

If one were, say, a connoisseur of human drama, would there be enough "content" at a decent event to merit getting a badge just for the sake of writing about the festivities? Asking for a 'friend' who's not an anime fan but enjoys IRL shitposting.

 

[ʕノ•ᴥ•ʔノ Pander]

if you have a choice between money and revenge you're a fool if you pick revenge.

On a different note I'm thinking long term the dubbing industry is going to suffer because of this bullshit. When all's said and done Japan and funimation are going to be a lot more reluctant about hiring new blood due to all the purging after all the lawsuits are done.