NeoGAF & ResetERA - The Hilarious N̶e̶v̶e̶r̶e̶n̶d̶i̶n̶g̶ Splintering "Gaming" Forum Circus

[FH 721]

And if you can't, tough. Not everything is for everyone. Find something else you'd rather do if the game is so hard it makes you cry bitter triggered tears. Git gud or go away.

Also the pleasure of tough, challenging videogames is the unparalleled joy you get once you master them. Bayonetta is one of my favorite games ever but it kicked my ass a lot in the first few weeks after I got it, to the point I had to put off finishing it for a brief while (I swear that Jeanne boss fight on the airplane is agony). Enduring through it and eventually getting platinum ranking on all levels and beating it on the hardest difficulty made me proud of myself. If we turn all fucking games into Life is Strange that feeling and sense of achievement is gone. Why do so many journalists fail to understand this, are they THAT spoiled and lazy?

 

[AnOminous]

If we turn all fucking games into Life is Strange that feeling and sense of achievement is gone. Why do so many journalists fail to understand this, are they THAT spoiled and lazy?

It's not enough for these hateful, spiteful little mediocrities to get their participation trophy, they have to do away with the gold medal, too, because its mere existence triggers them.

Fuck these garbage.

 

[School of Fish]

Also the pleasure of tough, challenging videogames is the unparalleled joy you get once you master them. Bayonetta is one of my favorite games ever but it kicked my ass a lot in the first few weeks after I got it, to the point I had to put off finishing it for a brief while (I swear that Jeanne boss fight on the airplane is agony). Enduring through it and eventually getting platinum ranking on all levels and beating it on the hardest difficulty made me proud of myself. If we turn all fucking games into Life is Strange that feeling and sense of achievement is gone. Why do so many journalists fail to understand this, are they THAT spoiled and lazy?

There's also the Mega Man games. Any kid that grew up with those video games will know how difficult they are to beat but it's all worth it just to kick Dr. Wily's ass.

 

[scathefire]

Why do they even bother having it officially be a game forum if everyone seems to hate video games? Would people care if they unceremoniously took that out?

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I must have the opposite problem as them, if I can’t beat a game for whatever reason I just assume that I’m bad at it. Sometimes later on I see people saying “[game] was not very good and was frustrating to play” and I have a bit of an epiphany. Although oftentimes whenever I feel that a game’s difficulty is just right I see others saying it’s too easy. So lol maybe I’m still just shit at video games

 

[School of Fish]

One of my personal cows believes the same thing and he's lived in England his entire life. He unironically believes that Venezuela was a perfect socialist paradise, that Chavez was a great leader, and it's America's fault that everything has gone to shit.

Well for socialists, they love socialism until a socialist government takes away their Starbucks coffee and iPhones and replace them an inferior version of those products given to them by the state and if they complain then it's off to the gulags with them.

 

[Jaimas]

Getting flash back to this

Will at least 80% of the posters in that thread are saying no
Then you have this guy

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Does Chairmancuck know by his own logic and point he was making that he just did a death threat, and that should be reported because jokes don't work that way in his logic.
If anyone has his dox reported him to the police, it's what he wants.

Did these fuckers just forget that SpecOps: The Line exists?

....Wait. Nevermind. It's RetardERA. Of course they have.

 

[Changeofheart]

I wonder if this mentality of never putting any effort even for beating a videogame translates also into other things of their daily lives.

 

[School of Fish]

I wonder if this mentality of never putting any effort even for beating a videogame translates also into other things of their daily lives.

Well losers like the ResetEra community that never amounted to anything in their lives want things handed to them and not put any effort to achieve said goals so this is probably the case.

 

[DriveByTrolling]

I have a feeling this is a troll account posting something they know will be taken as honest because this is Resetera

But yeah they're over 30 pages screaming about how a game needs a super easy mode or they're offended and disabled people will probably kill themselves or something.

Maybe if PewDiePie hadn't shot up a mosque Dark Souls would have patched in a "Journalist Mode"? ?

Imagine hating video games this much but becoming a games journalist or spending your time on a supposed video game forum.

 

[Corbin Dallas Multipass]

I mean, sure, having additional options and modes is a nice feature, although my experience with "Super customizable difficulty" like in the EA sports games, your options are really "Haha fuck you mode" and "The game will literally win itself without your input" mode.

I mean, when Fallout 4 added hardcore mode, I was quite annoyed they didn't just give us the option of keeping fast travel, whatever. I didn't threaten any boycotts or write any articles about it, but I may have ranted on an internet forum or two...

It's funny how they say books and movies are accessible to everyone. Did you guys forget about the blind? They have to buy special books, made just for them.

But, of course, the sane argument always is "They made it, if you don't like it, don't buy it".

 

[Spunt]

Some ReeRa sped on the last page said "movies and books are for everyone so games should be too."

No they aren't. If Reservoir Dogs is too violent for you, Tarantino isn't obliged to make a sanitised version so that you aren't triggered. Kant wasn't obliged to produce a simplified Critique of Pure Reason with less complex ideas for people who weren't smart enough to understand the original. Creators can make different versions of their games, books or films for different audiences if they think enough of them want it to justify the cost, but it's not an obligation.

If Sekiro looks to hard for me, I won't buy it, not demand a version that I can win, and buy an easier game instead. Just as I wouldn't buy the game if I thought it was too boring, too ugly, too long or if I didn't like 3rd person action games as a genre. There's thousands upon thousands of games out there. Nobody is missing out by not buying a game they wouldn't enjoy. Just buy another one and have fun with it. The creators don't owe you a game you'll enjoy, but neither do you owe them your time or money.

Whether to appeal to a broad audience or a narrow one is the creators' choice. I don't subscribe to the idea that adding easy modes somehow dilutes a game's value, that's some ch33vo-hunt3r l33t g4m3r bullshit. Personally, I sometimes enjoy a really tough challenge, but sometimes I come home after a hard day and want to work out my stress by stomping the AI into the dust. It's cool if I can achieve both things in the same game (like I can in Fallout 4, for instance), but if not, I'll buy one game to tax me and one to give me a power trip.

Accessibility options should, as a rule, be built into games as far as is possible - it widens the market for them for a start. But it's not an obligation, and certainly not if it starts to alter the core way a game plays. Some games are just not suitable for some people, deal with it. VR games make me dry-heave, so no VR games for me. But I'm not going to throw a tantrum about it because I can play something else and have fun. Sure, if every game went VR and I couldn't play anything, then I'd have an issue, but have you seen the Steam storefront lately? I don't think we'll run out of games soon.

 

[ducktales4gameboy]

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Getting back on track, it's time for a video game forum to scream at us every game having a "journalist mode" is... progressive for minorities and disabled people or something?

Reminder that 2-3 years back some Kotaku journo (I’m almost positive it was Ben Kuchera) gave some game a bad review for having a disjointed plot with no resolution only to be called out on Twitter by the developer pointing out that they were playing ‘practice’ or some mode that was marked as clearly not being the full experience. The journo proceeded to quickly memoryhole the incident and ever since we’ve had these periodic Kotaku/Polygon puff pieces about ‘assist mode’ needing to be a thing. If anyone knows the specifics of this incident, link it. I know it got documented on KF, possibly in this very thread, but I can’t remember the game.

Personal opinion: fuck that sort of ‘accessibility’ feature taking precedence over properly implemented colorblind mode and control configuration options. Accessibility should be about making sure people can git gud rather than bending over for people who don’t even want to try.

E: Found it. It was IGN rather than Kotaku, but close enough.

 

[DriveByTrolling]

Personal opinion: fuck that sort of ‘accessibility’ feature taking precedence over properly implemented colorblind mode and control configuration options. Accessibility should be about making sure people can git gud rather than bending over for people who don’t even want to try.

That sounds like the opinion of a Nazi. Let me tell you how you are advocating for the genocide of all Jews and why the only game you should be interested in is the "soon to be released" easy Chuck Tingle Adventure https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/703752115/kickstarted-in-the-butt-a-chuck-tingle-digital-adv

Not sure about your specific incident but here is Polygon playing Doom

 

[Megaroad]

There's thousands upon thousands of games out there. Nobody is missing out by not buying a game they wouldn't enjoy. Just buy another one and have fun with it.

Fuckin' this. Why I can't fathom the outrage over hard games to boobies. Literally play something else.

Go to gamestop or Steam and find something that'd interest you. It doesn't have to be what everyone else is playing. No ones holding a gun to your head unless you're some dumbass studies degree holder and Kotaku is the only place that'll hire you (and that's more their fault).

 

[BScCollateral]

I'm a bit mixed about this.

If you drop money on a single player game it's none of my business how you have fun with it. You want to replay the tutorial level of Hulk: Ultimate Destruction where you run around and break stuff and nobody shoots back? Knock yourself out.

But this isn't about that, I think. It's about journalists feigning competence in their subject matter. I'm dubious about this concern for the handicapped.

 

[DriveByTrolling]

I'm a bit mixed about this.

If you drop money on a single player game it's none of my business how you have fun with it. You want to replay the tutorial level of Hulk: Ultimate Destruction where you run around and break stuff and nobody shoots back? Knock yourself out.

But this isn't about that, I think. It's about journalists feigning competence in their subject matter. I'm dubious about this concern for the handicapped.

In a way the journalists are the handicapped. Handicapped by their own political ideology, hatred of their supposed hobby and more concern about ranting on Twitter about how toxic every single male gamer is. Playing games? Nah, I need to be doing "activism" on Twitter and making sure anyone who plays something with a white male lead is called a Nazi.

But then actual handicapped gamers come out in numbers showing themselves on YouTube beat Sekiro and other hard games while Polygon can't even aim in Doom.

It's almost as if, if Polygon, IGN, Giantbomb and more don't hire actual gamers into their ranks and just hire social justice activists, gaming journalism becomes a shitshow ?

 

[Corbin Dallas Multipass]

In a way the journalists are the handicapped. Handicapped by their own political ideology, hatred of their supposed hobby and more concern about ranting on Twitter about how toxic every single male gamer is. Playing games? Nah, I need to be doing "activism" on Twitter and making sure anyone who plays something with a white male lead is called a Nazi.

But then actual handicapped gamers come out in numbers showing themselves on YouTube beat Sekiro and other hard games while Polygon can't even aim in Doom.

It's almost as if, if Polygon, IGN, Giantbomb and more don't hire actual gamers into their ranks and just hire social justice activists, gaming journalism becomes a shitshow ?

Yeah, after a certain point, isn't the journalist's job to have some competence at what they are covering?

Like if you have someone covering a basketball game, they can't complain "The players are passing the ball too quickly for me to keep up, someone has to make it so any blind deaf retarded person can cover the game".

Games journalists, we want you to play and review the same game we do. Admittedly, that's already a joke, as they're playing pre-release versions of games, but the closer the better. Playing a souls game on "So easy your dead grandma could win" mode might not lead to a very useful account of the game.

 

[R.E.O. Spedwagon]

These difficulty debates remind me of an old gag:

The funniest part is that there's plenty of room to discuss accessibility in video games and criticise companies who refuse to implement such functionality; but instead of talking about things like subtitles, remappable controls, or colourblindness features; it's just them complaining about difficulty. Because, y'know, being shit at video games obviously puts you in the same category as people who lost an arm or were born with a defect that limits their ability to engage with the medium.
If anything I'd be pretty upset if I was disabled and a bunch of speds getting offended over being told to "git gud" tried to hijack my issues as a cover for their own incompetence.

I've only ever seen people cheer on actual initiatives towards accessibility, like Microsoft's special controller. These people want to play the same games as everyone else, and they definitely don't want to get a shitty, watered-down version out of pity.

 

[Corbin Dallas Multipass]

These difficulty debates remind me of an old gag:
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The funniest part is that there's plenty of room to discuss accessibility in video games and criticise companies who refuse to implement such functionality; but instead of talking about things like subtitles, remappable controls, or colourblindness features; it's just them complaining about difficulty. Because, y'know, being shit at video games obviously puts you in the same category as people who lost an arm or were born with a defect that limits their ability to engage with the medium.
If anything I'd be pretty upset if I was disabled and a bunch of speds getting offended over being told to "git gud" tried to hijack my issues as a cover for their own incompetence.

I've only ever seen people cheer on actual initiatives towards accessibility, like Microsoft's special controller. These people want to play the same games as everyone else, and they definitely don't want to get a shitty, watered-down version out of pity.

Holy shit, 6.4 million pixels? Also, gotta love the "Jah raggae music mon", making fun of jamaicans runs deep in george lucas' blood I guess.

But even at 60 bucks brand new, that's like... over a thousand pixels per penny. What a deal!

 

[King Kobra]

Pretty disgusting using disable people as a card to justify their own shortcoming instead of working on them and improve

TBH I was expecting someone ranting about Sekiro having a conventionally feminine fair skinned waifu or the general lacks of "inclusivity",but they choosed to go for the usual "gieb easy mode plox" route like every time Fromsoft pull out a new game

These difficulty debates remind me of an old gag:
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The early '90s knew how to deal with cucks,we need that back