Weeb Wars / AnimeGate / #KickVic / #IStandWithVic / #vickicksback - General Discussion Thread

[Lone Outsider]

He put the wrong county LMAO

More like wrong reality. Sorry I meant wrong Riality.

I don't know about popular in the sense of it gets used often, but I've never seen a Texan object to the actions reported in this article.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/charges-texas-father-beat-death-daughters-molester/story?id=16612071

I would cheer but the damage has been done. The only consolation is that that pedo got what he deserved and the father wasn't charged.

 

[Urbanmech]

For some weird reason, i don't believe this person
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May have spoken too soon oh noes.....

 

[madethistocomment]

Dominique Skye / Dominique Montez / Dominique Benavides

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Dox:
DOB: June 4, 1986
2121 Spring Ct
Harlingen, TX 78550
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She is a registered nurse.
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Her husband's name is Roberto/Robert Benavides (archive). Here is his instagram. They've been married since 2007, and have one daughter named Azurei Skye, which I guess is where she took her costhot name from.
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https://twitter.com/dominique_skye (archive)
https://www.facebook.com/DominiqueSkye2 (archive)
https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100013499288514 (archive)
https://www.instagram.com/dominique_skye/
https://www.instagram.com/Dominique_Skye2/
https://myspace.com/miserableme

oh yeah she also shills fox ears and tail dildos which means she's probably a secret furry
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That poor little girl looks miserable in that Supergirl pic.

To be fair, I'd be miserable too if I had a name like "Azurei Skye"

 

[Son of Sparda 84]

So just to say this. Why Ron is saying 30 years is because he's going by that Michelle (not Vic's ex) story who said she knew Vic back in the late 80's and he tried to sexually harass her

 

[Lone Outsider]

Motherfucker, the mailmen put my PO Box number on my mail all the time for identification purposes, even when I put the PO Box in my mailing address.

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This can’t be real. This motherfucker works in business. He got a degree in business administration and management. Fucking how?

Here is something my Step-Father once told me. Being intelligent doesn't mean you are smart.

 

[Colonel J]

At no point did Nick ever retweet anything of Zoom's.

Low-iq. If Nick retweeted anything of Zoom's it was likely done to a smurf's account and not Zoom's main one. I'll ask Zoom about this next time they stream.

 

[Freddy Freaker]

Remember when all that US MANGA CORPS stuff started hitting the shelves, and like the first time you watched MD Geist and nibbas was getting stabbed in the forehead while flying a helicopter? Man, those releases were such a revelation to someone raised on the rounded edges of saturday morning cartoons.

Absolute legendary dub.

"Hey Geist!.........You killed the colonel! "

 

[Lone Outsider]

Despite our grossly exaggerated reputation of chauvinism, there's actually seven women (not wahman) that I've been really impressed with in all this.

This chick.
Nick's wife.
Ty's eldest daughter.
The Amazons (x3) (I'll just go ahead and presume the third one is fine).
@emspex

Maybe add Supergirl. I dunno.

The human race might not yet be doomed. Maybe.

You forgot Chamber of Hearts and Peta's Nose.

There's so much that I've seen before with the way Ron and Shane have been behaving, at it's to do with living in their own truth bubble.

tl;dr: It's a Good vs. Bad situation for them, and their bubble lets them accept only the facts that reinforce their narrative. It all starts with believing one trusted source, and becomes an actual conspiracy with no critical thinking allowed.

Spoiler: Long-ass spergery

To them, people they trust have made accusations, so they of course believe them. Those accusations keep expanding, and now include 20, 25, 30 women - and there were rumours beforehand, and so many women can't be lying look at Bill Cosby and Harvey Weinstein, and their friends/partners wouldn't lie to them, so of course this is all true.

And to deny that, or even question that, is in current day equivalent to going up to a rape victim and slapping them in the face. Because now, after an assault, a victim's response is just how they 'process trauma', from understandable reactions like not wanting to tell anyone due to shame and fear or wanting to immediately shower even though that will destroy evidence, but also including things like continually acting friendly or pursuing a further relationship with the alleged assaulter or stalking and harassing them for a relationship. So not only are you now expected to completely believe any claims of sexual assault, and you're not allowed to ask any questions about the story of how they were assaulted, but even their behaviour afterwards is considered off the table.

So at the point where it's a woman they trust telling them these things, I get it. They may be incredibly naive about the chance they're being lied to, but your fiancee tells you something bad happened, you'd tend to trust them. But where they start going off the rails is where they then immediately treat everyone who doesn't have a good reason to trust the story as Bad People who can be safely ignored, dismissed and mocked. And how they can take evidence that maybe things just didn't happen the way they think it did and it doesn't matter, because they're busy Believing All Women, doing the right thing.

So they never examine whether the behaviour they're ascribing to their opposition could also come from their side. The Bad People will lie, conspire, defame, act out of malice and greed and bad faith, but none of that is coming from their friends and loved ones. And again, while that might be understandable, they also extend that belief to everyone who agrees with them, which in this case includes a large amount of untraceable, unsourced, anonymous internet accounts, which they should have absolutely no reason to accept at face value, except that it says what they want to hear so they do.

And for Bad People, anything is possible. We see with trooncows all the time how if they're 'feeling unsafe' it's the same as someone abusing them, verbally and physically. And the same thing is happening here, where the hugs and kisses on the cheek on consenting women is being interpreted by other women and creepy and unwanted, which is practically the same as assaulting women. Which means he's assaulted women, and if he's done that then he's done it multiple times - look how many fans he has photos with! Some of them must not want the attention! - and if he's hugged a girl, it doesn't matter if she specifically asked for a hug because girls can't consent, which means he's basically assaulted the girl, which means he's a pedophile...

And that's how it works, amplified by social media. So rumours become facts become 'everybody knows', and it's now a truth you can't deny, like that xkcd comic a few pages back about how a random Wikipedia update becomes considered true just because someone with any perceived authority cites it without checking. It's the Ferris Beuller rumour mill, except more serious and none of them have any perspective because questioning any point of the narrative is akin to denying sexual assault has ever occurred. It's also how you get things like them inadvertently ignoring assaults on children, which would be criminal - because examining the narrative is forbidden. You just have to accept it as truth without question, while also not questioning why the most people have done for years about this known sexual predator in their midst is bitch about him behind his back and spread nasty rumours. They argue Vic is too popular and powerful to stand up to, but there must be at some level where they both think he's a terrible abuser but also he's just that bitch eating crackers, where everything about him is annoying but that doesn't mean you can actually do anything about it. And challenging why none of these dozens of women haven't come forward is forbidden, so they just accept it and move on.

But now the actual legal system has entered. And that requires a standard of evidence beyond rumours and exaggerations, and stuff that 'everybody knows' has absolutely no standing. So Shane and Ron, who have started from a position of trusting a couple of women they have (at least in Ron's case) reason to trust, now have a whole outlandish narrative they've accepted as true and anything that denies it has to be fake. Add to that a real lack of knowledge about how the law actually works outside of fiction and a desire to white knight, plus in Shane's case a real need to be seen as important and part of the cool group, and they find themselves spreading the rumours as truth, and doubling down on this whole fragile narrative they've had to accept.

And also, when they finally turned on Vic and got rid of him, as they thought, that was meant to be the end of it. That anything they did to get him out of their lives might have actually been illegal would never have crossed their minds, just like with Mark Waid vs. Richard Meyer. After all, they were doing the right thing! They were getting a Bad Person who had done Bad Things away from them, and would presumably not have to deal with them again! That any of the people they had managed to align themselves with might have anything other than pure motives couldn't be possible, because they were Good People. That any of the accusations might not hold water - well, everyone knows it's true. Everyone! So warning cons, pulling strings at companies, that's all necessary to protect women and get rid of a bad apple.

It's why it's so much of a religion. Because they've developed a principle that must never be questioned, just accepted on faith alone. It is something no-one would abuse or misuse - that's only what Bad People do, and we're Good People. And so what starts off as trusting one person metastasises into unquestionably accepting anonymous claims, attacking anything that challenges your faith, and doing everything within your power to bring down your opponents ... except leave the house, apparently, since doing something like making an official police complaint would involve actually, legitimately, thinking about the crimes committed and the accusations, and maybe, just maybe, realising it might not be as true as you think.

They seem to think that real life is like Twitter, but Twitter isn't real life. And it really feels like that's part of what makes this so exceptional. Because anything that happens online doesn't really count, or reflect your character, and you can say what you want and the repercussions are only meant to hurt the Bad People, not the Good People. They can say what they want and it's fine, but any backlash is horrible, unprecedented harassment that was organised to hurt them. So we see Ron and Shane and a few others constantly calling other people things designed to hurt them and their reputations, to have consequences in their actual life - and that's fine, to them. But if anyone denies it, or threatens legal action? It was only on the internet, it's not that serious, they'd have to be bluffing because who really thinks tweets matter that much?

Basically, the cognitive dissonance starts from one small, reasonable place, and follows a path of zealotry, ignorace and black and white thinking to a point where they have absolutely no perspective on what they're doing or saying:
They are Good so will prevail (even though they'll go on about how Evil is winning constantly and bad things are happening).
They know the accusations are true so they have nothing to worry about (even though Nick and others have been telling them repeatedly that the accusations are mostly moot and they only have internet rumours and likely a couple of women who have been lying to them).
The sexual assaults have been going on for years and so stopping them by getting Vic fired is the best course of action (even though if they really, truly believed Vic was guilty of what they're accusing him of, especially with underage girls, and didn't put a stop to that they are not only morally responsible for abetting a molester, but criminally liable for not doing anything about it).
If only Vic had apologised and let it all happen, lay low for a bit, then things would be OK (even though ruining a career and future income isn't something they are willing to accept for their own actions, that course of action is only beneficial to them but not Vic, and they are being disingenuous at best if they expect that someone like the monster they have made Vic out to be would make it acceptable to have him back at a con without being constantly shamed and sent to Coventry).

It's just ... maybe if you have to keep telling yourself you're a good person on the right side of history and you're only doing the just thing, it's a sign to take a step back and see if there's a chance you might be wrong. Or maybe don't ever trust someone who demands you believe something, unquestioningly, without ever even thinking that evidence against it might have merit.

That's why it ain't gonna work. Forcing things to be black and white while disregarding the neutral party is not gonna work. It's only gonna make those that want an objective viewpoint see that they are scum because they attack those that come too close and demand they listen and believe them. The more they attack people, the harder it's gonna for anyone to have a subjective view on Kickvic's attacks and they are gonna be seen as another version of facist, nazi's and/or religious fanatics. They are the enemy of everyone and the sooner the lawsuits are filed the better.

 

[Drip Feed]

May have spoken too soon oh noes.....

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That dude does the whole "angles" thing, all his profile pics are somewhat slimmer than his actual full body pics, cant trust someone that does that.

Spoiler: buttons read to pop.

 

[Recoil]

Been reading up on Vic and I'm sure its been said, but wow! What a guy.
I'm also amazed by how well Vic's aged. He must've been such a boss in the 80's & 90's.
The guy oozes success and he's kind to boot.
You know about the kind of people who just need to poison that sort of shit. THEY DO EXIST, they're out there.

Man, I love when we do the right thing.

 

[Lone Outsider]

That's actually deep.

Though it's also a variation of what people have said along: That they project their fascism on others.

Old news to me. With the way they've been projecting their own misdeeds onto others, that fact is almost as certain as grass is green and the sky is blue.

 

[Next Task]

I think La Choy is fully aware Monica is lying and is actively participating in the lies, and that Shane suspects she's lying but doesn't care.

I tend to think that it doesn't take that many bad actors to cause a situation like this. A lot of them think they're doing the right thing or that something really happened, when it didn't. It's extremely unlikely to ever find the true source of the 'Vic is a sexual assaulter' rumour from within the fans, but it's clear at least one or two women made up a story and it spread because people wanted to believe it. Only slightly more likely is to find the original fujoshi that spread the 'Vic is a homophobe' rumour based on him not signing her inappropriate art; the couple of people we know about who it could be deny it's them, and we really have no way of knowing which one it was, Vic himself probably couldn't remember - but again, people wanted to believe it, so it became canon that Vic the Christian is a homophobe.

So most of it is people who have passed on a story that confirms their prejudices without really thinking about it, which is a bitch move but extremely common. There's also room for the ones who get more specific to be remembering something differently, or recontextualising an innocent encounter as being toxic now that they know the 'truth' about Vic/are woke. I reckon that of the current players, only a couple, like Monica, are actively, knowingly lying - or at bare minimum, framing a borderline interaction in the absolute worst way possible - about their experiences with Vic. It makes me wonder if that's the planned defense of a whole bunch of these people, 'I truly believed what I kept saying about Vic being a rapist and pedophile was true, so I can't get in trouble for it, right?'

But for me, I think most people vastly underestimate the damage a determined psycho can and will do if they want - and that it takes only one. And the more outlandish the lengths they've gone to can work in their favour, because they can break Occam's Razor with the lengths they will go. It's why it's such a good thing a number of our more malignant lolcows are so lazy, because if they applied themselves, they could do even more damage than they currently are.

 

[The Ancestor]

I’m still 30 pages behind but wanted to ask; for those who want to support Kameha Con but can’t show up, would buying a pass online still be a good way too show support for getting Vic back? I don’t think I saw the idea in the thread or otherwise I probably missed it.

 

[Ponderous Pillock]

I’m still 30 pages behind but wanted to ask; for those who want to support Kameha Con but can’t show up, would buying a pass online still be a good way too show support for getting Vic back? I don’t think I saw the idea in the thread or otherwise I probably missed it.

There's some sort of "no show" pass, and they've also got a paypal which can be donated to. You'll have to search them to find it.

 

[Recoil]

Dominique Skye / Dominique Montez / Dominique Benavides

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Dox:
DOB: June 4, 1986
2121 Spring Ct
Harlingen, TX 78550
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She is a registered nurse.
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Her husband's name is Roberto/Robert Benavides (archive). Here is his instagram. They've been married since 2007, and have one daughter named Azurei Skye, which I guess is where she took her costhot name from.
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https://twitter.com/dominique_skye (archive)
https://www.facebook.com/DominiqueSkye2 (archive)
https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100013499288514 (archive)
https://www.instagram.com/dominique_skye/
https://www.instagram.com/Dominique_Skye2/
https://myspace.com/miserableme

oh yeah she also shills fox ears and tail dildos which means she's probably a secret furry
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Gums: LEGENDARY
She forces an underbite in her 'glamour' shots.

 

[Least Concern]

 

[GnomeofDoc]

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I see what you did there....

 

[ShaggyDawg]

Oh come on Shane has a brain... half of it is one cell that rubs against the other cell that's slowly dying.

Is that classified as sexual assault or almost necrophilia?

Sean Christian Schemmel / solas21

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Dox:
DOB: November 21, 1968
11945 Magnolia Blvd APT 111
Valley Village, CA 91607
Email: sschemmel@yahoo.com

His girlfriend's name is Brianne Piper (archive). He doesn't have a good relationship record, so watch yourself girl.
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https://twitter.com/SeanSchemmel (archive)
https://www.facebook.com/sean.schemmel.376 (archive)
https://www.instagram.com/solas21
https://myspace.com/seanschemmel
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_Schemmel (archive)
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0770832/ (archive)
http://www.arlenethornton.com/on_camera_talent_detail.asp?id=643# (archive)
https://www.linkedin.com/in/sean-schemmel-143b49123
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Dominique Skye / Dominique Montez / Dominique Benavides

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Dox:
DOB: June 4, 1986
2121 Spring Ct
Harlingen, TX 78550
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She is a registered nurse.
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Her husband's name is Roberto/Robert Benavides (archive). Here is his instagram. They've been married since 2007, and have one daughter named Azurei Skye, which I guess is where she took her costhot name from.
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https://twitter.com/dominique_skye (archive)
https://www.facebook.com/DominiqueSkye2 (archive)
https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100013499288514 (archive)
https://www.instagram.com/dominique_skye/
https://www.instagram.com/Dominique_Skye2/
https://myspace.com/miserableme

oh yeah she also shills fox ears and tail dildos which means she's probably a secret furry
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Damn you're good. Looking forward to your future work

Speaking of doxes, do we have any for these "content" creators that sperged out? I'm kinda intrigued on Geekdom's given the way he flexes.

Sean Christian Schemmel / solas21

His girlfriend's name is Brianne Piper (archive). He doesn't have a good relationship record, so watch yourself girl.

Understatement of the year. Doesn't he have 2 divorces already and been in 3/4 relationships within the last 5 years?

Also, his residence, I mean i know Sabat has more roles and a company but the lead character/King Kai/Goku Black/Lucario doesn't have a small house at the least? Ooof. (Although, according to redfin one of these apartments cost about ~500k, but still). Guess being a major spergy asshole has its downsides.

Dominique Skye / Dominique Montez / Dominique Benavides

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Huh. Irony. Go figure

one daughter named Azurei Skye, which I guess is where she took her costhot name from.

Cant make this shit up

 

[king of pickles]

Almost every single dude involved looks like he owns a Switch and lives in the garden shed. And Dominique has a jaw like Chyna and an overbite she tries to hide in her cosplay pics.

 

[Least Concern]

I’m still 30 pages behind but wanted to ask; for those who want to support Kameha Con but can’t show up, would buying a pass online still be a good way too show support for getting Vic back? I don’t think I saw the idea in the thread or otherwise I probably missed it.

Check out the non-attending tickets if you can't attend the show. They'll mail you some swag in return.