Weeb Wars / AnimeGate / #KickVic / #IStandWithVic / #vickicksback - General Discussion Thread

Do we have any idea on when the news will drop? Is there some specific time window for submitting lawsuit paperwork?
The anticipation is sorta like waiting for a pizza, except instead of a delicious,cheesy insult to all things truly Italian the thing we’re waiting for is the unspeakable screeching of a thousand banshees shown that sometimes actions have consequences and they can’t just freely defame and ruin people’s careers over flimsy accusations.
If it's happening today, I'd think that they'd want to file it as close as reasonable to first thing in the morning, so they could possibly even have it served on defendants this afternoon. That's assuming it's all been triple-checked and ready to file; Ty said that he'd be working over the weekend on getting everything ready. Unless there were last minute adjustments, I'd expect it to be filed this morning.

It might take a day or two for PACER to get updated with the information, though... a clerk has to stamp the documents with the date received, scan them, enter all of the metadata - who is suing whom, who is representing them, etc. It doesn't all just show up in PACER the minute a paralegal drops papers off at the courthouse. They do, however, become public record the minute they're filed, so it wouldn't compromise the case if Ty sent Nick copies. I strongly suspect that he's going to, which means if lawsuits do get filed today, I bet we'll hear Nick reading them on tonight's stream. The only reason I can think of that Nick might not read them yet would be if the defendants haven't been properly served yet... if Ty asked Nick to wait until they can be served to avoid them possibly trying to evade service, I think Nick would wait a day or two. Although, I'm not sure how much good it'd do, since they do already know who they are (they've received spoliation letters and requests for retractions). They know that a lawsuit is coming - whether they believe it or not is the question.
 
If it's happening today, I'd think that they'd want to file it as close as reasonable to first thing in the morning, so they could possibly even have it served on defendants this afternoon. That's assuming it's all been triple-checked and ready to file; Ty said that he'd be working over the weekend on getting everything ready. Unless there were last minute adjustments, I'd expect it to be filed this morning.

It might take a day or two for PACER to get updated with the information, though... a clerk has to stamp the documents with the date received, scan them, enter all of the metadata - who is suing whom, who is representing them, etc. It doesn't all just show up in PACER the minute a paralegal drops papers off at the courthouse. They do, however, become public record the minute they're filed, so it wouldn't compromise the case if Ty sent Nick copies. I strongly suspect that he's going to, which means if lawsuits do get filed today, I bet we'll hear Nick reading them on tonight's stream. The only reason I can think of that Nick might not read them yet would be if the defendants haven't been properly served yet... if Ty asked Nick to wait until they can be served to avoid them possibly trying to evade service, I think Nick would wait a day or two. Although, I'm not sure how much good it'd do, since they do already know who they are (they've received spoliation letters and requests for retractions). They know that a lawsuit is coming - whether they believe it or not is the question.

Texas also has a weird legal precedent (if my memory serves) where defamatory statements cease to be defamatory if the lawyer publishes the legal documents containing them. The court has to publish the records.
 
On the people getting hit in this round, this would have to be the easiest targets who have made the most damage to Vic's rep. March, Rial and Soye. An argument can be made for Marzgurl since she started all this shit, but she wasn't the one that came forward with a story like Rial and Marchi (and in Marchi's case, she has shown actual malice with her balls tweet). The last target would be either Funimation or RT, so that Vic can get back to work. Funimation has an easier case to be made against them than RT so I guess it would be them.

Disclaimer, Not an actual lawyer but the way Nick and Ty have explained things this is apparently the way things should go on the actual cases.

Vic is suing for defamation hence he needs to only say the statements are untrue under oath (I.e. his evidence) and then everyone who made defamatory statements need to provide evidence as to why they made those defamatory statements (I.e. have proof that he really is guilty of whatever they claimed he was guilty of).



Most likely to settle out of court for a set amount and a retraction of her statements, Possibly a restraining order preventing her from talking about the whole Vic situation as well. As her case is the strongest against her since she shows actual malice against Vic in both her Balls tweet and her leaked DMs.

If she tries to fight the defamation case, she needs to provide proof that he actually did those things to her in Funimation's lobby (camera footage or eyewitness testimony under oath) and then they cross examine statements and evidence as to whether it holds any weight to her claims and whether or not it's actual sexual assault.



Again, unless they actually found something against Vic in that investigation that can tie him to sexually assaulting someone without a shadow of a doubt, they will settle out of court and claim they fired him for unrelated reasons (e.g. pressure from Voice actors) or they acted without sufficient knowledge. The second follow-up message to their message on firing Vic can be written off by mutual agreement as a general statement not pertaining to Vic (all of these need to made as public statements as well).

Why I doubt they actually found anything significant in the investigation is because if they had, they would've involved the police or handed that information over to the police (Again, I'm not a lawyer, but this seems like a basic ethics rule that should be implemented in every company's HR rules).

Also there's more incentive for them to settle out of court than to go to court and have Senpai's Sony and Toei reprimand them for their disorderly conduct and being unable to keep their Voice actors under control.



The only idiots who are going to fight this case. I have no other words regarding this as there is definitely a defamation case to be made for both of them but if they don't have proof to back up their claims, they're going to fall flat on their faces.

For round 2, I see Ty going after a bit more 'challenging' targets in the hopes that they were severely demoralised after Ty wins 4-0 and they'll be only too happy to settle out of court or to drop charges in exchange for info on bigger targets.

My guess for Round 2:



Didn't actually make a defamatory statement unless you count that one employee of theirs, running their mouth. They could always disassociate themselves from that guy and pay a settlement to keep things out of court.



Even though she started all of this, she's a minor target given that she didn't accuse him of sexually assaulting her. However taking her down is still necessary.



Whoever they are, the only reason Ty will be tackling them now is so that they can get to Iago. Igor will have had the most dirty hands in all of this as they did all of Iago's dirty work. The reason why I say this might be challenging is because Ty would want him to go down, but go down giving more concrete proof that Iago was involved. If Igor doesn't squeal, then it was basically pointless. They may have evidence against Iago, but it's going to take some time to take him down and the war chest is limited.

Conventions with contracts that dropped Vic/Major News Outlets who Spread lies about Vic (e.g. ANN) but these are optional in this round, I feel. they're still necessary tho so Vic can get work again in the industry.

Lastly, Round 3. Who knows if we'll even get to this round. Depends on the GFM.

From what I can tell there'll only be one person in this round, unless Ty moves things around. That person is Iago.

Undoubtedly by this point in time, Ty would have his own evidence plus testimony/evidence given from people in the other 2 rounds that would be significant enough to tie whoever Iago is to this whole situation. Iago might also crumble under all of this (especially if Ty, wins every single fight up till this point in time) and may settle out of court for quite a hefty sum just to keep his whole operation under wraps.


As for everyone else, I don't think they will get hit unless the war chest is sufficient or it's actually worth going after them. usually sending this big of a message shuts people down quick in fear of a lawsuit.

If the war chest isn't sufficient, my guess is that restraining orders will be going out to everyone else who made defamatory statements against Vic. Tbh this would be the more viable option as the rest are attention hogs.

Serve people like Shane, Renfamous and Dominique with restraining orders stipulating that they aren't to get involved or speak about this whole situation and they'll fade back into their holes of obscurity and irrelevance.
Rooster Teeth are most likely going to get hit with conspiracy because you know Shannon...

Didn't Shannon McCordick also make statements?
Yes as did Miles Luna to a smaller extent and Jen Brown to some extent.
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I'm pretty sure that's about it, I could have missed something though.
 
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(On a side note, I'm actually lowkey really hoping that every one of his accusers turns out to be a spurned lover.)
And their perpetually cucked white knights.
Texas also has a weird legal precedent (if my memory serves) where defamatory statements cease to be defamatory if the lawyer publishes the legal documents containing them. The court has to publish the records.
It was covered in one of Nick's streams, but you're misremembering. Actually it was privileged statements which are not defamatory (because they're privileged), and if the lawyer publishes the legal documents, they can become defamatory.

If you sue someone and falsely claim "he raped me", that claim in your lawsuit is privileged. The defendant cannot claim that you defamed them by suing them, even if the claim was false and you knew it. But if you then post that lawsuit on your social media, you've effectively reiterated the claim in a non-privileged environment - and that can be defamatory. Even though they couldn't claim that you defamed them by filing the lawsuit, if you repeat that claim literally anywhere else, it can be defamation. And trying to signal-boost the lawsuit and draw public attention to it can be interpreted as doing that.

So, lawyers do have to be careful about publishing cases, but I don't think that would apply here. As long as all of the claims in the lawsuit are sincere claims which are supported by facts, they aren't defamatory.
 
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I wonder if this is going to become a Risembool Ranger tradition to retell the accounts of the Weeb Wars to their daughters, even as Vic pushes 70+.

Aye lassie! Back when I was a wee whippersnapper, I was a proud soldier against the great shitstorm to ever hit the anime community. These little bitches wanted to destroy our Lord and savior Vic but ain't no way we were gonna let that happen.

It'd be even funnier if Vic looks the exact same at 70.


When he doesn't realize he's helping fund is own lawsuit. Brilliant move, Miss Beta Cuck.

Don't forget that in addition to the lawsuits Nick teased that there would be a second entertaining surprise happening today, so depending on how full of lols it is maybe hitting 1100?

Edit: This Kamehacon goer says that when he was waiting for his turn for an autograph, a guy in front of him didn't have enough money for a photo so Vic gave it for free. Wonder how many times he did that for fans strapped for cash over the weekend.

https://twitter.com/TeeAiDee/status/1117783967254626305
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I've seen some stories of Vic giving people free stuff when they make a mistake or misunderstanding. This man is very amusing to watch.

Who knows what the other surprise is. I hope it's an announcement Vic is back in a role or another huge con just to see the sheer amount of REEEEEEEEE! Today.
 
So, bets on how Shane and others will spin the lawsuit? My money is on ‘see we told you nobody will be served on Monday, you are all so stupid for watching that Internet lawyer’.

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hes just going to claim the opposite of what's happening will happen like he has been. and i'm sure there will be people jumping on the fact not all the paperwork was done in a blink today, like it matters
 
I'm still utterly and entirely convinced Vic has somebody upstairs looking out for him, if not actively intervening to make these godless heathens do stupid shit.

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In my usual ponderings I realised there's a rather nice pair of examples out here in bongland that predate this stuff by some considerable margin.

Those are namely the cases of Jimmy Saville and Sir Cliff Richard.

Now Jimmy Saville was a TV presenter, charity fundraiser etc etc but had had allegations/rumour mills against him for years. In some cases he even took some of his accusers to court and said cases inevitably fell apart. Only in death did the extent of it all come out, complete with some 450 allegations against him. He was outright protected by the BBC and other elements of the "anti-establishment" as it increasingly became and still is. To the point that as the allegations came out the whimpering soy cucks at the BBC said they'd all totally known but the increasingly fragile and yesterday's man, even at 79 and older was "too powerful".

The second case, of Sir Cliff, once again had the BBC involvement with news reporters practically wanking themselves off on camera with how good the optics looked, the supposed good christian boy who's long been a hearthrob (and even today still sells yearly calender's of himself to great demand at the age of 78 being caught for sexual allegations. Only this time, the case fell apart and he turned around and sued the ever loving shit out of the soy soaked Media City and won a whopping £2.5m in damages.

Just interesting seeing it, is all. Especially with the chaff being thrown up to hide that other VA's pedo brother.
 
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There's this one snowflake name Jameswhatever who was doing that. Literally been arguing for 5 days straight about something to the point I don't even know what he's saying. IStandWithVic Google lawyer apparently but I don't care enough to be dealing with him right now.
If an unknown like Shane can garner notoriety by inserting themselves into a fight that doesn't involve them, maybe they can to.
 
What I'm getting at is that he very clearly doesn't always end up working with competent people.
This is a problem in any big creative effort. The scary thing IME has been that it doesn't always get better as you move up the scale, basement studio or corporate facility. Things like recording an album or making a film are group efforts by necessity and industries that used to be lean mean meritocratic machines are now full of weak links because our learning institutions have been handing out participation trophies and lowering the standards for selected minorities since the 1990s. I'm not making this up, either. Your boi Zack has some great diatribes on how the composition of various teams at comic book companies went to shit because of diversity hires and inexperienced YA darlings.
The struggle is real. Imagine you're with 4 other people on something media related and only 2 of you are competent. The other one has rich parents who donated him into colleges and internships and the fourth one's good, but clearly punching way above her weight because she or here has been placed in your group for the sake of optics. Or because they know the client/boss. You end up doing the work of two & paid for one so is it any wonder that your collective output is passionless drivel or simply of shit tier quality?
 
So, bets on how Shane and others will spin the lawsuit? My money is on ‘see we told you nobody will be served on Monday, you are all so stupid for watching that Internet lawyer’.

I really want him to start gloating about this in like an hour only for the papers to show up at like 4PM or something.

And really, majora's mask instead of Cornered from Phoenix Wright? I mean, cmon.
 
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