Which Southern state will be the first to shift blue? Which is the least likely to do so?

[Syaoran Li]

My point was that lots of white Catholics vote Democrat, and presumably being pro-immigration is not one of their big issues now that we're not getting half of Cork and Sicily over here every year.

I think another problem with the angry rust belters becoming Republican is that a lot of them will be Catholic, and that means the Republicans are gonna have to cool it with the extremely fringe Evangelical Protestant stuff.

They already kind of are, at least on the national level (now state-level politics in certain Bible Belt states is a different matter...)

Trump was the first time in decades a major Republican candidate did not run on a primarily Evangelical/Moral Majority platform.

Aside from picking Mike Pence as VP, Trump hadn't really campaigned on the Evangelical vote, while the candidates who did in the primaries were decimated (most notably Ted Cruz) as the Religious Right had lost a lot of its cultural and political power and relevance throughout the latter half of the 2000's, with SJW's replacing them as the new main force among the "Moral Guardians".

Aside from the powerless Pence, the only other Evangelical fundie types who held rank in Trump's administration were Steve Bannon and Jeff Sessions, both of whom are no longer in office.

Honestly, I get the feeling that Trump only picked Mike Pence as his VP to hedge his bets with what was left of the Evangelical vote (most of whom supported Cruz in the primaries) since Trump couldn't really play the moral angle by himself.

Honestly, I get the feeling a lot of white Catholics who used to vote Democrat will probably vote Republican again unless the DNC stops pandering to the SJW's and coastal elite types, especially in the Rust Belt states where the Religious Right is largely dead and irrelevant.

Now, in some of the hardcore Bible Belt states like Mississippi, Alabama, and South Carolina where the Evangelicals still dominate the state level, you'll probably see white Catholics still voting Democrat but those states are also solidly Republican strongholds.

 

[Crunchy Leaf]

They already kind of are, at least on the national level (now state-level politics in certain Bible Belt states is a different matter...)

Trump was the first time in decades a major Republican candidate did not run on a primarily Evangelical/Moral Majority platform.

Aside from picking Mike Pence as VP, Trump hadn't really campaigned on the Evangelical vote, while the candidates who did in the primaries were decimated (most notably Ted Cruz) as the Religious Right had lost a lot of its cultural and political power and relevance throughout the latter half of the
2000's, with SJW's replacing them as the new main force among the "Moral Guardians".

Aside from the powerless Pence, the only other Evangelical fundie types who held rank in Trump's administration were Steve Bannon and Jeff Sessions, both of whom are no longer in office.

Honestly, I get the feeling that Trump only picked Mike Pence as his VP to hedge his bets with what was left of the Evangelical vote (most of whom supported Cruz in the primaries) since Trump couldn't really play the moral angle by himself.

Honestly, I get the feeling a lot of white Catholics who used to vote Democrat will probably vote Republican again unless the DNC stops pandering to the SJW's and coastal elite types, especially in the Rust Belt states where the Religious Right is largely dead and irrelevant.

Now, in some of the hardcore Bible Belt states like Mississippi, Alabama, and South Carolina where the Evangelicals still dominate the state level, you'll probably see white Catholics still voting Democrat but those states are also solidly Republican strongholds.

I was thinking more at the state level, where stupid fundie nonsense always got more traction. Like when Kentucky tried to outlaw child marriage last year and politicians got mad about it because it was taking away people's religious freedoms.

A lot of white Catholics are people who live on 'the coasts', like, you know, New Jersey, which got rid of a lot of its Republican congressmen last year. Or Massachusetts, which hasn't even had a Republican congressman since 1997, and it had district with a lot of Trump-voting towns not even have a Republican run last year. (Talking about the district Brianna Wu ran in).

Mike Pence is interesting here, though, because he grew up in a Democrat-voting Catholic household and converted to being an Evangelical as an adult. But he's still like...vaguely sort of Catholic or something.

 

[Jeremy Galt]

My vote is for South Carolina to stay red . The first to secede from England, the first to secede from the Union, the first to fire a shot in the civil war.........Push comes to shove, they'll secede again.....(ornery people)

 

[JM 590]

What is it?

Bacopa monnieri, ginseng, and a shaving of Alex Jones' own prefrontal cortex.

(Brain Force Plus really is shit, but the ingredients it lists are more or less legit. Just do your research on each one and buy whatever sounds good to you raw and for a fraction of the price.)

 

[Y2K Baby]

My vote is for South Carolina to stay red . The first to secede from England, the first to secede from the Union, the first to fire a shot in the civil war.........Push comes to shove, they'll secede again.....(ornery people)

They wanted to secede from the confederacy too and tried to nullify the jurisdiction of Andrew Jackson, of all people.

 

[CWCchange]

If the Southwest is considered "Southern," then New Mexico because it already has and its fucking name doesn't help. As for Dixie states, Virginia because influence from Washington D.C. and Maryland.

Louisiana and Mississippi will always stay red. Alabama has some decent economic development, which unfortunately is a double-edged sword attracting liberal carpetbaggers.

 

[Muncie Anderson]

Neither Oklahoma nor Kentucky would ever swing blue.

My guess is that either Georgia or Florida would shift to blue first, followed by North Carolina. Texas is a wild card.

 

[Y2K Baby]

Texas is a wild card

As it should be.

 

[Wingus Dongshire]

Underdog vote for Tennessee. Memphis is heavily democrat and I believe is growing in population pretty quickly; those people gotta go somewhere so why not spread out to the other cities?

 

[John Henry 2]

I don't buy it. I'm willing to accept this is true for Latinos, in some parts of the country some of the time, but black people are not gonna vote en masse for Republicans unless the Republican party drastically changes. I don't see how Republicans could pander to black people without alienating the rest of their base.

As long as the GOP supports immigration laws they won't ever get the Hispanics.

 

[sizzer]

Georgia will be the first to swing blue. Least likely is probably Mississippi or Alabama. Speaking as an amerimutt half-spic, y'all right wing niggas need to start reaching out to hispanics or else you'll never have a right wing politician hold office again. your choices in the future will be between the corrupt, moderately-intelligent white democrat vs the moronic, minority, """"democratic-socialist"""" ocasio-cortez derivative politician.

reach out to cholos or pay the price, my guys

 

[wateryketchup]

Georgia will be the first to swing blue. Least likely is probably Mississippi or Alabama. Speaking as an amerimutt half-spic, y'all right wing niggas need to start reaching out to hispanics or else you'll never have a right wing politician hold office again. your choices in the future will be between the corrupt, moderately-intelligent white democrat vs the moronic, minority, """"democratic-socialist"""" ocasio-cortez derivative politician.

reach out to cholos or pay the price, my guys

Actually the Drumpf regime is going to round all of you up into concentration camps, just you wait any day now!

 

[sizzer]

Actually the Drumpf regime is going to round all of you up into concentration camps, just you wait any day now!

FUCKING GLOOOOOMMMMPPPPFFFFFFFFFFFFF

 

[Y2K Baby]

y'all right wing niggas need to start reaching out to hispanics

The GOP tries to do this. Constantly.

 

[sizzer]

The GOP tries to do this. Constantly.

oh that's cool. neocons are cool.

 

[Y2K Baby]

neocons are cool.

 

[sizzer]

@Tard Baby
I'm not talking about any specific right wing organization, I'm just saying that your typical unfiltered internet right winger is individualistic to a fault. they constantly lose the persuasion game because they don't want to play to begin with.

 

[shartshooter]

@Tard Baby
I'm not talking about any specific right wing organization, I'm just saying that your typical unfiltered internet right winger is individualistic to a fault. they constantly lose the persuasion game because they don't want to play to begin with.

On what point do you think conservatives need to make concessions? Open borders? Ignoring crime? Noncitizens voting and receiving welfare? I think you're the one lacking awareness with the 'vote democratic or pay the price whitey' rhetoric.

 

[sizzer]

On what point do you think conservatives need to make concessions?

I'm not saying conservatives need to make concessions, I'm saying there ought to be a better sales pitch than "everybody fuck off and everybody leave everybody else alone." we have liberals twisting and warping reality, telling minorities that they're not at fault for their actions. poor losers are going to be drawn to the people who are making excuses for their shortcomings. they're not going to subscribe to the "deal with your problems" mentality so easily

 

[shartshooter]

I'm not saying conservatives need to make concessions, I'm saying there ought to be a better sales pitch than "everybody fuck off and everybody leave everybody else alone." we have liberals twisting and warping reality, telling minorities that they're not at fault for their actions. poor losers are going to be drawn to the people who are making excuses for their shortcomings. they're not going to subscribe to the "deal with your problems" mentality so easily

Your description of conservatism is the progressive caricature. And there is no better sales pitch than free government money, open borders, and chanting "demographics is destiny, they're racists." Maybe instead of a sign of the future, Ocasio-Cortez and Trump are the canary in the coal mine that the democratic plan for the future isn't as certain as you think it is.