Weeb Wars / AnimeGate / #KickVic / #IStandWithVic / #vickicksback - General Discussion Thread

[wickedlilium]

I can't in good confidence believe that a company that currently has no functioning HR department and was stupid enough to not only NOT take advantage of the fact that they're situated in an at-will state, but also decided to make a clearly defamatory statement that they'll be absolutely hanged for come trial, actually thought ahead of time to have everyone involved sign an NDA.

Not that they're right, anyways. The io9 article already reported the investigation as inconclusive-- how would they have known about that without being made privy to any part of the investigation findings?

If i'm not mistaken It wouldn't matter to much if there was an NDA. All that would happen is some legal fall out, generally a fine stated on the agreement.
I think the issue here is most company's would give you either a written (large company's) or face-to-face of the reason(s) you are being terminated. That doesn't entail an NDA. This would allow Vic the legal rights to 'disclose' anything he was told after being fired (or release the paper(s) or why he got terminated).
Now I do believe that you can get out of an NDA assuming you where forced to sign it knowing that the materials where illegal in some way (could be wrong tbh).

 

[JosephTX]

And even if there was an NDA an NDA does not prevent information being probative if it is evidence of a crime or legal dispute. The leaker could in theory be sued or fired for leaking the info and thus breaking the NDA, but vic is not obligated to follow it

It's effectively the same as "vic is a rapist but we cant show the evidence because we're looking out for him teehee"

Now its "well the Investigation that we used to fire vic we can't show you because that would violate the NDAs ):"

 

[RodgerDodger]

Today at PULL's law division: All their info is inadmissible in trial anyway!
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If they are actually right I'll take my dumb ratings like a champ

The corporation itself holds the privilege in the NDA. The corporation is getting the subpoena. The corporation will cough up whatever it has. All of it will be admissible. The NDA is to protect the corporation. Not these fuck weasels.

Actually, it does allow you to change your tax filing status. You quite simply fill out your taxes as married. It's only an issue if it's challenged, and if it's clear that you're legitimately married, the challenge won't succeed. I'm not sure what procedure an insurance company would use, but it would make the decision itself. It doesn't require a court to do anything.

The only difference (at least in Texas) would be that a marriage certificate would be conclusive proof of marriage, while a common law marriage, if challenged, would have to be argued.

Trust me, insurance companies want to see the paperwork. Every few years we have to send in a copy of our marriage license simply because we don’t legally use the same last name. You get these “we just need to confirm you are in fact married” letters.

 

[JosephTX]

Dragging ResetERA and PULL into this mess would be lulzy, but I don't think it'll happen because they have the same Section 230 protection that we have (which... on balance... is a good thing). They'd have to subpoena the site admins for the dox on every idiot that is talking shit in the forms, and then sue them as individuals. Nobody can really go after the sites themselves, because they aren't legally treated as publishers.

I don't see it happening. That's too much work and money.



Nigga, it was settled back on page 776! The point is, this was already looked at and dismissed.

Your initial post was "you guys have to be careful" because Texas recognizes common law marriage. It's irrelevant. Even if they change their story to "we're married!" right now, it's not gonna save

I can't in good confidence believe that a company that currently has no functioning HR department and was stupid enough to not only NOT take advantage of the fact that they're situated in an at-will state, but also decided to make a clearly defamatory statement that they'll be absolutely hanged for come trial, actually thought ahead of time to have everyone involved sign an NDA.

Not that they're right, anyways. The io9 article already reported the investigation as inconclusive-- how would they have known about that without being made privy to any part of the investigation findings?

Even though Texas is at will, that only if there's no contract, once there's a contract the stipulations of the contract regarding termination takes over.

 

[RodgerDodger]

If i'm not mistaken It wouldn't matter to much if there was an NDA. All that would happen is some legal fall out, generally a fine stated on the agreement.
I think the issue here is most company's would give you either a written (large company's) or face-to-face of the reason(s) you are being terminated. That doesn't entail an NDA. This would allow Vic the legal rights to 'disclose' anything he was told after being fired (or release the paper(s) or why he got terminated).
Now I do believe that you can get out of an NDA assuming you where forced to sign it knowing that the materials where illegal in some way (could be wrong tbh).

Any NDA would prevent the investigation participants from talking about it. Every one of the known participants has already breached this multiple times. Marchi, Monica, Samantha? Yeah just look at their twitter feeds. Look at how much Ron champions “there was an investigation!” Yeah first rule of fight club is nobody talks about fight club. Any and all nebulous and unlikely NDA’s were breached months ago. Funimation itself waived the NDA when they made their twitter announcements.

 

[Zero Day Defense]

Not to mention that if what Nick said about there being a hitlist on other VAs (Apparently Vic was the first target), it could potentially expose that and the people involved in it.

I thought that was just the Broken Staircase list...

 

[wickedlilium]

Any NDA would prevent the investigation participants from talking about it. Every one of the known participants has already breached this multiple times. Marchi, Monica, Samantha? Yeah just look at their twitter feeds. Look at how much Ron champions “there was an investigation!” Yeah first rule of fight club is nobody talks about fight club. Any and all nebulous and unlikely NDA’s were breached months ago. Funimation itself waived the NDA when they made their twitter announcements.

True, but thought the company could still state they did an investigation but keep the NDA, or NDA's under law lose all effectiveness when the the one issuing it comes out about there being an investigation (or w.e the reason for the NDA is)?

 

[Monkey Prick]

Speaking of stuff we've been going around and around on...

BREAKING NEWS!

Per Nick:

ALL Round 1 lawsuits will be filed in TEXAS STATE COURT.

ALL Round 1 defendants are Texas residents or Texas business entities.

Vic legally relocated to back to Texas shortly before this happened. The plaintiff is therefore also a Texas resident.

So, we can put that to bed. There will be NOTHING ON PACER.

Note that this only applies to Round 1. Things become a bit more complicated from there, obviously.



I agree with you on doing that for certain things, but you also don't want to balkanize this too much. When the suit drops, it'll get a thread in Lolcow & Lolcow LLC., so that should help sort out the purely legal stuff.

And I'm sorry if I came off too strong, its just that some of this is getting irritating.

So we know the where, now we're just waiting on the when. Still going with MoRon + Funi + Marchi for the first round, I'd be shocked if it was anyone else to be honest.

 

[Mr. Zed da Robot Poon Fed]

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The landwhale is at it again i see. How can somebody this dumb even remember how to breath?

These people are just dumb beyond belief.

Everyone knows that this is one of the stories that was shared, according to Nick. Not the whole fucking investigation.

La Choy and the creature called MarzGurl are saying this without any proof that people said that this was the root cause of Vic’s termination. This is why we don’t “listen and believe”. This right here. You take statements/stories and skew them to your benefit.

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Reesetera never disappoints me.

What makes these people assume that women can’t lie nor alter information in a story? Cuckoldry?

 

[The Wisdom of Bassets]

What makes these people assume that women can’t lie nor alter information in a story? Cuckoldry?

Intersectional Feminist theory. their handlers. The media. their teachers/profs. Social media.

Everything but factual reality.

 

[Vampy]

What makes these people assume that women can’t lie nor alter information in a story? Cuckoldry?

Feminism.
This while "women are saints that can do nothing wrong" mentality is specially hilarious given that nothing is more spiteful and vengative than a woman scorned.

 

[JosephTX]

Speaking of stuff we've been going around and around on...

BREAKING NEWS!

Per Nick:

ALL Round 1 lawsuits will be filed in TEXAS STATE COURT.

ALL Round 1 defendants are Texas residents or Texas business entities.

Vic legally relocated to back to Texas shortly before this happened. The plaintiff is therefore also a Texas resident.

So, we can put that to bed. There will be NOTHING ON PACER.

Note that this only applies to Round 1. Things become a bit more complicated from there, obviously.



I agree with you on doing that for certain things, but you also don't want to balkanize this too much. When the suit drops, it'll get a thread in Lolcow & Lolcow LLP., so that should help sort out the purely legal stuff.

And I'm sorry if I came off too strong, its just that some of this is getting irritating.

Where is the source for the lawsuit dropping? What are the parties beyond monica and soye

 

[RodgerDodger]

True, but thought the company could still state they did an investigation but keep the NDA, or NDA's under law lose all effectiveness when the the one issuing it comes out about there being an investigation (or w.e the reason for the NDA is)?

It doesn’t work the way Funi did it. Funi named names and clearly publicly linked or implied that Vic in some way was a sex pest. They can’t do that. Certainly not from under a shield of NDA. What would be the purpose of the NDA if the terminated employee gains no benefit from it, and is not a signatory to it, and the participants in the internal investigation and the corporations public twitter account are all permitted to publicly hurl defamatory bombs at the terminated employee without action?

Typically for these sorts of
NDA’s the corporate participants in the investigation are barred from discussing any matters regarding it or the target of it. The NDA is the prevent drawing the company into precisely the situation that Funi now finds itself. No public statements will be made regarding terminated employees beyond “Bob no longer works here”. And the only statements allowed are those that go through HR. Funimation fucked this up in every way possible.

The other type of NDA would be between the corporation and the terminated employee. The ex employee will agree to an ?NDA in exchange for certain things from the company. Severance etc. topping the list is that the company not do what Funimation did to Vic.

This is all Employee Management 101. “See what Funimation did here? Don’t ever do that!” HR matters are to be kept confidential. Funi violated that when they publicly implied a cause for Vic’s termination, and then allowed their staff and contractors to spend months hurling Pedo Rapist accusations. At that point to even imply that some NDA prevents Vic from suing their asses and getting everything they did to him through subpoena and witness testimony is laughable. They already broke any imagined NDA’s themselves. They can’t unring that bell.

 

[damian]

@Captain Manning Stream tonight? Or anything we can find to look at?

 

[Negromancer]

oh shit just saw the lawsuit thread, hopefully rick nekeita has some hot takes tonight im super bored

 

[Ponderous Pillock]

Yeah, when the code names first dropped, most of us jumped on "Toye/Shane" as Igor/Renfield, but it being someone in the incestuous 'journalism' side of things keeps coming back up in my mind. Also, is it possible it's one of the more vocal cosplayers? Dominique's gay op at Kamehacon sounds like something an Igor would do... I didn't think much of the Sabat/Skye connection, but when she tried that...well, she moved way up on the list.

The criteria for Iago are as follows:

-Is a vice principle in Funimation.
-Has influence at conventions.
-Is not directly employed by Funimation.
-Shows off/boasts of greater wealth than they actually have access to.
-Thinks they are far cleverer than they actually are.
-Has tried to keep "away" from the situation and influence from the background.

The most likely person for this, is Sabat.

-He is not named in the first round of the lawsuit.
-He has influence at conventions. (Sabat was allegedly one of those who blew up the KC cons organisers phone.)
-Has a very nice house (valued at $750k)
-Has a Tesla (not a model 3)
-Owns Okatron 5000 and has casting decision power at Funimation

The major issue is Igor.

The main take away we do know, is that Iago has apparently agreed to protect Igor, possibly with a lawyer. Ty also thinks that it's complete shit and Iago will hurl Igor under the bus the split second they find it at their best convenience to do so.

Apparently some Kiwis have guessed both identities correctly but obviously Ty won't tell us exactly where we've been right or wrong, only that a lot of us have been wrong.

 

[RodgerDodger]

These people are just dumb beyond belief.

Everyone knows that this is one of the stories that was shared, according to Nick. Not the whole fucking investigation.

La Choy and the creature called MarzGurl are saying this without any proof that people said that this was the root cause of Vic’s termination. This is why we don’t “listen and believe”. This right here. You take statements/stories and skew them to your benefit.



What makes these people assume that women can’t lie nor alter information in a story? Cuckoldry?

Do you notice how the story keeps evolving and changing? Now Monica was only saved from certain rape by a fateful knock on the door! Uh huh! Anybody want to bet they have no testimony regarding who knocked? That any person they name never saw Monica in Vic’s room, etc? Yeah the bullshit meter is strong with this one. Ty really does need to drop something on this pathetic creature, just as a warning to others.

 

[Captain Manning]

So we know the where, now we're just waiting on the when.

Yes. Although he didn't say what county. There's 254 counties in Texas. It's gonna be one in the East though.

The issue here was that we all thought Vic was in California (not just AnOminous, I'll cop to it to as well). Apparently, he moved back right before this shit happened. I'm not sure they CAN file in federal court for the R1 defendants. They're gonna be relying heavily on Texas state law when it comes to the TI stuff, and everybody is in Texas.

Where is the source for the lawsuit dropping?

It hasn't dropped yet. Nick told me on his Discord WHERE it will drop. He explicitly gave me permission to share this on the Farm's.

What are the parties beyond monica and soye

We don't have 100% confirmation of that yet, but it appears to be Rial, Soye, Marchi, and Funimation for R1. Ty said there are four defendants.

 

[Least Concern]

Vic legally relocated to back to Texas shortly before this happened. The plaintiff is therefore also a Texas resident.

What event does "this" refer to? Did Vic relocate to Texas for reasons related to the potential lawsuit, or is it just a coincidence? If the former, is that a normal thing for a civil plaintiff to do?

 

[ProtecSpeedwagon]

What event does "this" refer to? Did Vic relocate to Texas for reasons related to the potential lawsuit, or is it just a coincidence? If the former, is that a normal thing for a civil plaintiff to do?

Coincidence.