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[eternal dog mongler]

Funny, the troon that was going on about how trans women are real women, and transitioning really helps, wrote this a few weeks back. (Archive) The guy's clearly messed up in the head.

Interesting takeaway: he's not using an informed consent clinic, he's probably going to either his PCP or an endo that needs a letter from a therapist clearing him to go on HRT.

So despite his (honestly true) misgivings that he'd just grow moobs and look like a depressed he-ma'am, some therapist out there decided a quick shot of estrogen would fix him right up.

And no, there are no alternative treatments for gender dysphoria. Technically, HRT and SRS began in the 60s (the first SRS was performed by Dr. Biber in 1969. The year we also landed on the moon!)

The alternative was good old-timey psychotherapy where they locked you in the nuthouse, sedated you and performed ECT whenever you acted up. That sucked and pretty much did nothing, so HRT was considered the cure for gender dysphoria (or primary transsexualism as they used to call it, the term gender dysphoria was actually coined in the late 70s.)

HRT predates modern psychiatry, and there's been no research on actually fixing gender dysphoria through therapy without HRT. Hell, that would be considered conversion therapy now, so there won't be any forthcoming. Sorry about your luck, weird questioning troon.

 

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/r/mtf dukes it out over “informed consent”

r/MtF - I feel online "support" isn't worth it anymore

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OP takes a stand for gate keeping:

On the opposite side of the coin, if they did make you wait...did it cross your mind that there might be a legit reason for it? Manipulative behavior like this has terms in the medical community...we call them "drug seekers" and "hypochondriacs". Which isn't always about pain meds. You may be trans, but this sort of behavior is EXACTLY why the standards were established in the first place and exactly the sort of behavior they were meant to prevent.

And is accused of being truscum lol

 

[SnarkySperg]

Funny, the troon that was going on about how trans women are real women, and transitioning really helps, wrote this a few weeks back. (Archive) The guy's clearly messed up in the head.

He's a troon. Of course he's messed up in the head.

HRT predates modern psychiatry, and there's been no research on actually fixing gender dysphoria through therapy without HRT. Hell, that would be considered conversion therapy now, so there won't be any forthcoming. Sorry about your luck, weird questioning troon.

I would honestly be interested to see a study. Maybe they could find people dealing with gender dysphoria who can't afford hormones and let them try that out?

/r/mtf dukes it out over “informed consent”

r/MtF - I feel online "support" isn't worth it anymore

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OP takes a stand for gate keeping:

'On the opposite side of the coin, if they did make you wait...did it cross your mind that there might be a legit reason for it? Manipulative behavior like this has terms in the medical community...we call them "drug seekers" and "hypochondriacs". Which isn't always about pain meds. You may be trans, but this sort of behavior is EXACTLY why the standards were established in the first place and exactly the sort of behavior they were meant to prevent.'

And is accused of being truscum lol

I honestly don't disagree with OP. For one thing, if you agree 100% with everything someone says, you're either ignorant or brainwashed. Two, they admitted that they don't understand being nonbinary, but they respect it anyway. These people want respect from everyone, but if you don't understand them that's not good enough. And I agree with the gatekeeping too. Also, by their definition, OP probably is truscum. But honestly, truscum is good.

 

[NoFeline]

And is accused of being truscum lol

Well the truscum accusation is correct. That's...pretty much what it is. Thinking you need a diagnosis of gender dysphoria to be transgender is only one part of it, there's also the implied "...and also going on hormones without such a diagnosis is a horrible idea".

Really with the standing definition of GD it's still a fucking terrible idea, as defined it's exactly what TERFs have been saying it is-- a conflict between oneself and societal expectations of one's sex, literally Sexism: The Disorder, just as they say. The whole concept of a woman trapped in a man's body falls under a completely different diagnosis.

 

[eternal dog mongler]

And is accused of being truscum lol

There's this sort of deep-seething anger at Susan's Place over the newest crop of troons. Most of those old manly grandmas worked their way through the strict medical gatekeeping of the 80s and 90s and now they're being spat upon by the anime-addicted AGPs and called evil truscum hons.

In the 80s you could only get on HRT if you were gay (sorry transbians), passed, had a job and lived openly as your chosen sex. In the 90s the requirement for being gay was dropped, but the rest remained. Now HRT is gated behind either two visits to an IC clinic or a couple therapy visits with a gender-affirming therapist so you can get your letter and get hormones from your PCP or an endo.

A lot of the men on Susan's Place gave up lucrative careers, destroyed their marriages and were eschewed by all of their friends when they started trying to live as women just so they could even get access to hormones. Yeah, it's terrible, but at least they fucking had to do something. Now HRT is so easy to get and it's billed as being a fix for all of your mental health problems that it's no wonder that all of these fucking incels are leaving their basements and scrambling towards the nearest clinic that hands out hormones like crazy.

I would honestly be interested to see a study. Maybe they could find people dealing with gender dysphoria who can't afford hormones and let them try that out?

The drugs used for HRT are cheap as hell so unfortunately this won't happen. Spironolactone is $4/mo for a generic. A bottle of generic estradial valerate is about $40 but it would (well, should) last a troon for two or three months when they grab the high concentrations. On the female side, testosterone cypionate is about $15 and also lasts for months, anastrozole/tamoxifen are $11 and $20 per month, but I think most FtMs are testosterone-only. This is all cash payments, insurance covers most of these for free, btw.

It's very inexpensive and easy to make permanent changes to your body because this is 2019.

 

[SnarkySperg]

In the 80s you could only get on HRT if you were gay (sorry transbians), passed, had a job and lived openly as your chosen sex. In the 90s the requirement for being gay was dropped, but the rest remained. Now HRT is gated behind either two visits to an IC clinic or a couple therapy visits with a gender-affirming therapist so you can get your letter and get hormones from your PCP or an endo.

I know that even somewhat recently, a tranny had to live as the opposite gender for a year before being allowed hormones. I would say I understand this being awkward for a MTF, since it's less weird to see a butch lesbian than a man in a dress and makeup, but they don't pass anyway. I think the only MTF trannies who pass either were given puberty blockers (like Jazz), or got a LOT of surgeries (like Blaire White). And even they probably will never pass down below. I know at least one MTF personally who has been on HRT for over 2 years (coming up on 3 I think) and still doesn't pass. All that's happened is that they've got boobs now. I will say the FTMs I know pass better (I wouldn't know one wasn't biologically male if I didn't grow up with him).

The drugs used for HRT are cheap as hell so unfortunately this won't happen. Spironolactone is $4/mo for a generic. A bottle of generic estradial valerate is about $40 but it would (well, should) last a troon for two or three months when they grab the high concentrations. On the female side, testosterone cypionate is about $15 and also lasts for months, anastrozole/tamoxifen are $11 and $20 per month, but I think most FtMs are testosterone-only. This is all cash payments, insurance covers most of these for free, btw.

It's very inexpensive and easy to make permanent changes to your body because this is 2019.

Yeah, that fucking sucks honestly. Therapy can be very helpful but it can be very expensive, even with insurance. In fact, most clinical psychiatrists don't take insurance. Those who do often charge a copay. When therapy sessions are over $100 a session, coming in weekly could add up quick. Insurance can cut the cost down drastically, but it's still more than $20 a month. That really sucks, because I think that a lot of trans people would have changed their minds and not transitioned if they'd been given better help and not just told 'oh, you want to be a man? Here's a prescription for T!'

 

[cistendered]

/r/mtf dukes it out over “informed consent”

r/MtF - I feel online "support" isn't worth it anymore

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OP takes a stand for gate keeping:


And is accused of being truscum lol

Can someone explain to me what a non-dysphoric trans person is? It sounds like its someone that doesn't have a psychological issue, but rather just wants to troon out for fun.

 

[NerdShamer]

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Can someone explain to me what a non-dysphoric trans person is? It sounds like its someone that doesn't have a psychological issue, but rather just wants to troon out for fun.

AGPs, SJWs, and the wannabes.

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

would honestly be interested to see a study. Maybe they could find people dealing with gender dysphoria who can't afford hormones and let them try that out?

This is exactly what dr. Ken Zucker did with gender dysphoric boys and he CURED most of them. He was harrassed by trans activist and lost his job.

https://mobile.twitter.com/zuckerkj

By the way there is a link to an interesting article on his twitter. It's about the troon who was killed by a cop when he attacked him. 2 of his genderspecial friends commited suicide after the incident.

The Trigger Effect

Last September, a campus cop shot and killed a queer college student in Atlanta. By the end of 2017, several of the student's friends had been arrested; two were dead. What happened at Georgia Tech? The story of a tragic year, by @hallielieberman.

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[Kalishnakov]

This is exactly what dr. Ken Zucker did with gender dysphoric boys and he CURED most of them. He was harrassed by trans activist and lost his job.

https://mobile.twitter.com/zuckerkj

By the way there is a link to an interesting article on his twitter. It's about the troon who was killed by a cop when he attacked him. 2 of his genderspecial friends commited suicide after the incident.

The Trigger Effect

Last September, a campus cop shot and killed a queer college student in Atlanta. By the end of 2017, several of the student's friends had been arrested; two were dead. What happened at Georgia Tech? The story of a tragic year, by @hallielieberman.

magazine.atavist.com

And the Black Pigeon video that included that research, has been...memory holed.
What a surprise.

 

[Nasty Nut]

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My condolences to every non-tranny Alice out there

 

[SnarkySperg]

And no, there are no alternative treatments for gender dysphoria. Technically, HRT and SRS began in the 60s (the first SRS was performed by Dr. Biber in 1969. The year we also landed on the moon!)

I just caught this part, sorry. That's incorrect. There were at least two SRS procedures done under one Magunus Hirschfield in the 1930s. First one being Rudolph 'Dora' Richter, which surprisingly didn't kill him (he did die a few years later). Wikipedia on him.
Then there was Einar Wegener, or Lili Elbe. He got a uterus transplant and died from complications of it in 1933. Here's his Wiki.

Can someone explain to me what a non-dysphoric trans person is? It sounds like its someone that doesn't have a psychological issue, but rather just wants to troon out for fun.

It's a transtrender. Full stop.

This is exactly what dr. Ken Zucker did with gender dysphoric boys and he CURED most of them. He was harrassed by trans activist and lost his job.

Ugh, I can't wait for this fucking SJW shit to stop.

 

[User names must be unique]

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Life imitating shit comedy.

 

[Bogdandoff]

Anyone here love to see them argue with TERFs?

 

[eternal dog mongler]

I just caught this part, sorry. That's incorrect. There were at least two SRS procedures done under one Magunus Hirschfield in the 1930s. First one being Rudolph 'Dora' Richter, which surprisingly didn't kill him (he did die a few years later). Wikipedia on him.
Then there was Einar Wegener, or Lili Elbe. He got a uterus transplant and died from complications of it in 1933. Here's his Wiki.

I meant in the US, sorry but yeah. Phalloplasty is also ridiculously old (mid 19th-century England) but Europe was at this shit for a while. The Magnus Institute got raided by Nazis (actual Nazis, not TERFs) and that was the end of that.

As far as the US goes, the first gender clinic in the US was at John Hopkins and opened in 1966 but quickly closed down due to public outrage, so everyone who saw trans patients stayed super stealthy. The US simply wasn't having this shit. Now transitioning is freely available almost everywhere, but therapy is not.

The purpose of medical gatekeeping was not transphobia, it was to save people from taking hormones that permanently affect your body when they may not be in the right state of mind to be making those decisions. Forget moobs. If a man takes estrogen for a few years, his testicles atrophy and become entirely nonfunctional, causing permanent sterility. Your weird period of life where you felt like a woman and started taking estrogen can sterilize you. This is what gatekeeping was trying to save people from.

 

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As far as the US goes, the first gender clinic in the US was at John Hopkins and opened in 1966 but quickly closed down due to public outrage,

I was under the impression Johns Hopkins gender clinic shut down bc they found sex reassignment was a waste of time and their patients still had shit lives. Being shut down due to outrage is a trans victim complex rumor.

Source

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We at Johns Hopkins University—which in the 1960s was the first American medical center to venture into "sex-reassignment surgery"—launched a study in the 1970s comparing the outcomes of transgendered people who had the surgery with the outcomes of those who did not. Most of the surgically treated patients described themselves as "satisfied" by the results, but their subsequent psycho-social adjustments were no better than those who didn't have the surgery. And so at Hopkins we stopped doing sex-reassignment surgery, since producing a "satisfied" but still troubled patient seemed an inadequate reason for surgically amputating normal organs.

also, more lols from reddit:

I’m pre-op trans guy and my SO is a cis male.
We’ve had this same exact conversation many times. We’ve come to the conclusion that (for us) it’s gay sex. I am a guy, he’s a guy. But in his Very Religious family’s eyes we’re straight and have straight sex.

this is hilarious and also sad. I laughed. Do you guys think her husband is "gay" or just going along with it?

 

[janekop]

sigh

 

[cistendered]

The purpose of medical gatekeeping was not transphobia, it was to save people from taking hormones that permanently affect your body when they may not be in the right state of mind to be making those decisions. Forget moobs. If a man takes estrogen for a few years, his testicles atrophy and become entirely nonfunctional, causing permanent sterility. Your weird period of life where you felt like a woman and started taking estrogen can sterilize you. This is what gatekeeping was trying to save people from.

I think it's medical malfecience that you can get HRT without therapy, or that it's prescribed to children/teenagers. Messing with your endocrine system is really dangerous. Even disregarding trans issues, I've known a few people with really bad psychological and physical problems because of hormonal imbalance. Voluntarily introducing an imbalance without a lot (like, years) of consideration is a really bad idea.

 

[eternal dog mongler]

I was under the impression Johns Hopkins gender clinic shut down bc they found sex reassignment was a waste of time and their patients still had shit lives. Being shut down due to outrage is a trans victim complex rumor.

Sorta-kinda. Meyer got that position because of public pressure on Johns Hopkins but Meyer wasn't wrong. SRS does not improve patient outcomes. From all of the medical literature I've read, disregarding the biased ones (thanks Journal of Transgender Medicine) HRT is useful for abating gender dysphoria but SRS is some shit that nobody needs to ever touch.

I think it's medical malfecience that you can get HRT without therapy, or that it's prescribed to children/teenagers. Messing with your endocrine system is really dangerous. Even disregarding trans issues, I've known a few people with really bad psychological and physical problems because of hormonal imbalance. Voluntarily introducing an imbalance without a lot (like, years) of consideration is a really bad idea.

I've noticed a surprising amount of men on Susan's Place who have been on HRT for decades with meningiomas or prolactinomas. Those are pretty rare, especially prolactinomas in men. Oh well, time to throw our hands up and not try to figure it out. Want some pills?